gbear Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 According to the NYTimes, we didn't get around to securing the nuclear waste facilities until a few days ago. I know many of you criticize what the NYtimes chooses to report, but I tend to take what they report as fact as usually correct. Are we really there for WMD and to make sure they aren't spread? If so, why would we leave an obvious sight to be looted? Before the war, we talked about invasion plans that involved securing the suspected sights before they could be removed. Does the fact that we have found no WMD mean that our intelligence was bogus, doctored, or exagerated? Why and to whose benefit? I was for the war based on the information our public was being given. Unfortuantely, I've seen little since to justify my thinking recently. I've seen the big contracts go to US companies with huge ties to this administration. I've seen little in the way of successful efforts to find WMD that were supposed to be the reason we went to war. I'm hearing little about efforts to rebuild, and it's looking less and less like we are going to be willing to do the types of things it would take to set up a government there that would be in our long term interests in the region. As a side note, are any of you conservatives here a little cheesed off by Bush having ot "fly" onto the aircraft carrier becuase it was too far away from shore to take a helicopter? Never mind that they worked hard to try and place the podium in such a way that the tv's wouldn't show the CA coastline in the backround :doh: Sorry, that's blatant huey. I feel the same way about the Republican convention in NY in September. I often think Krugman goes too far, but I tend to agree here when he asks why we should applaud Bush for his reserve time when he didn't show up for an entire year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 how come we can't find Bin laden? seriously though. Its a big country with a lot of things hidden under ground. I believe they are there....somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Again, I'm not a Clinton fan, but he sure got blasted for being a draft dodger.. Bush was no different. While he served in the Guard, he avoided going to Nam and then went AWOL. Had my dad done that, we know were he would be... military prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by Bush League Bufford how come we can't find Bin laden? seriously though. Its a big country with a lot of things hidden under ground. I believe they are there....somewhere. Bin Laden put all the WMD into a condom and swallowed them. Bin Laden is now the drummer for Motley Crue... Try to find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Didn’t the New York Times report 170,000 artifacts were missing, but in reality it was 28? Or was it ABC news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Like the contracts rewarded to Diane Feinsteins husband? We've found evidence of WMDs. We found chemicals in the Euphrates, we've found 18 mobile chem labs, we found an 18 wheeler that was an exact fit to the description of an anthrax lab that Powell laid out to the UN. We found underground nuke labs. We have scientists that have admitted to destroying weapons just prior to the wars beginning. We've found missiles tipped with chemical warheads that were empty but have no other military purpose. Everytime we find and report these things, the leftists and the media simply brush it aside and demand we produce an actual nuclear bomb before our cause is justified. For anyone to claim we are doing little to rebuild is ludicrous. We've opened up the airport, we're establishing the oil production, we're turning the lights on, making the water safe, and helping to establish order. So sorry some museum pieces were stolen. And finally, why is it a problem for the GOP to have it's convention in the largest city in the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by gbear According to the NYTimes, we didn't get around to securing the nuclear waste facilities until a few days ago. I know many of you criticize what the NYtimes chooses to report, but I tend to take what they report as fact as usually correct. Be patient, gbear. It takes time to plant the evidence. Soon enough, WMD machinery and materials will be found. I'm just wondering which captured Iraqi will get the first deal for immunity and early retirement. It must be embarrassing for the administration that their prisoners are not quickly bought off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Since we have found them, why hasn't Bush held a press conferece and proclaimed that the goals of the war were acheived? Or the military? Each time the military is asked, they say, "To this point, no WMD have been found." Sorry, but I believe the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishhead Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I remember Bush saying Iraq had WMD's and was planning to use them, and that it was important for us to take this "evil regime" out of power immediately. I wonder why Bush hasn't been called out by our "liberal" media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 They have stated it. Everytime they discover these things. They have found EVIDENCE of WMDs. What they have not found is an actual WMD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Bush has been called out. Read the NYT and watch the 3 major networks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 remember Bush saying Iraq had WMD's and was planning to use them, and that it was important for us to take this "evil regime" out of power immediately. He was, and we needed too. What part do you not understand? I wonder why Bush hasn't been called out by our "liberal" media? He has been, that's how this topic started. Every Liberal politico is harping it on the talk shows. Chris Matthews asks every guest where they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Even Bill O'Reilly is calling him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I give Bush some credit, he was flying the plane at one point. He was pissed that they didn't let him on a F-18 because the secret service guy wouldn't have fit. That was pretty neat to see the president fly the plane, even if it was close to cali or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Can't we just go ahead and plant the WOMD? Maybe plant some French warheads to make it look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by phishhead I wonder why Bush hasn't been called out by our "liberal" media? There is no liberal mass media when it comes to these things. The administration has genuine differences of opinion with The New York Times etc. when it comes to certain issues -- abortion, taxes, etc. These fall along classic liberal and conservative divides. What you are missing in studying the Middle East is the shared interest of the administration, most of Congress, both political parties, and almost the entire U.S. mass media. That's as far as I'm going to take it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I find it ironic how the left asked for patience before the war, but now are screaming for WMD.When it fact its only been a week since the war has been acknowledge as being over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I guess we have to go to Syria to get them However, what they needed to prove was that they were still trying to develop WMD. This they have, so they haven't found any specific WMD, they have found places where they were being created, places the inpectors were not allowed to see. It is still very early in the process. WMD are not like candy, they will be hard to find, that is unless Sadam already destroyed them prior to the war, who knows? In the next 2 to 3 months we will know a lot more. Give it some time guys, the war has only been over a couple of weeks. At least they have the info to link Alqueda an Sadam now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted May 6, 2003 Author Share Posted May 6, 2003 Kilmer, I thought they tested where the scientist said they destroyed the chems, but they couldn't find any of the traces they expected to find. We found an 18 wheeler? Oh no, all they needed was 2 of those to take over the world. Seriously, finding one that matches what Powell said and not finding the anthrax lab within actually comes a whole lot closer to doctored or manipulated intelligence. As for the Chemicals, are you referring to the ones they think turned out to be pestisides? That's not exactly WMD. What was the contract you mentioned? I missed it being out of the loop a little while in MN and St. Thomas. Those little snipets of news provided by the hotel don't quite constitute being informed and I don't have time to watch 10 hours of news on TV while I wait for what interests me :cool: Rebuilding...we aren't doing anything to put in place a legit government. We're placing a yes sir government in place. The government services like police forces still seem to be in short supply through much of the cities. Water is good and important. I'll give you that one, but I haven't seen anything about setting up systems or for that matter fixing permanent systems. We're still trucking it all over the place aren't we (maybe not, again I haven't seen anything)? It seem like the only permament parts we've worked on thus far are oil fields. Now if it were your country, where would oil fields rank on your priority lists? I'm sure you'd just be overjoyed to know the US has awarded those contracts first thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by luckydevi Bush has been called out. Read the NYT and watch the 3 major networks. Just for laughs. A bit of taunting, if you will: a show of press independence. Need to restore some cred with the people. Off camera, higher up, it's more like, "Seriously, George, what's taking so long? I thought you guys had this all worked out?" **************************** Note to our friends in the military (Air Sarge, Navy Dave, etc.): I have the highest respect for your brave defense of our liberty. Nothing in any of my comments here or elsewhere implies I think the U.S. military, and particularly the soldiers themselves, are in any way part of the corrupt mentality that I attack. I am forever grateful for your service to our country. :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by gbear As for the Chemicals, are you referring to the ones they think turned out to be pestisides? That's not exactly WMD. Or was it the batch that turned out to be rocket fuel? Or was it the batch that turned out to be trace elements left behind form 1991? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 geof, schools opened last week in Iraq. Power has been restored. We are rebuiding at an amazingly quick pace. It's not instant and apparently that would be the only acceptable timeframe for the far left (not you, but the politicos on talk shows). The 18 wheeler was set up as a lab. It had heating and cooling sections. It had been "scrubbed" recently. We know this because of the evidence of cleaning chemicals. In other words, it's TOO clean. The Contract is explained here. http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/cx/Vdefense-contracts.RAwU_DAQ.html www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/51989.php This one shows his Perini contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratoman Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by Atlanta Skins Fan It takes time to plant the evidence. Soon enough, WMD machinery and materials will be found. are you saying that the US is going to plant WMD??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by stratoman are you saying that the US is going to plant WMD??????? Nah.... Go back to sleep. :snore: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratoman Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by Atlanta Skins Fan Nah.... Go back to sleep. :snore: :finger: :finger: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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