w33dh0l3 Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 How can you not know Logan Mankins. He is an awsome guard and will be a probowler for sure. Heath Miller is a key TE for steelers. any other team add another 30% to his stats. Castillo is one of the key players on chargers D playing DE in a 3-4 and able to rush the passer from his 3-4 end spot. Antrelle rolle is also pretty decent, much like rodgers. he is playing for a bad team though. players sort of disappear when they go to AZ. I agree on Castillo, even though he took steroids at one point before the draft. Antrel Rolle doesn't even start for the Cardinals, Eric Green and Roderick Hood start. Also Heath Miller +30% stats is still less than Cooley on a year by year basis, a second round pick. Nothing to really say about Logan Mankins, its pretty difficult to address other teams' O-line unless they make the Pro Bowl or get crushed on national TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w33dh0l3 Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 How can you not know Logan Mankins. He is an awsome guard and will be a probowler for sure. Heath Miller is a key TE for steelers. any other team add another 30% to his stats. Castillo is one of the key players on chargers D playing DE in a 3-4 and able to rush the passer from his 3-4 end spot. Antrelle rolle is also pretty decent, much like rodgers. he is playing for a bad team though. players sort of disappear when they go to AZ. I agree on Castillo, even though he took steroids at one point before the draft. Antrel Rolle doesn't even start for the Cardinals, Eric Green and Roderick Hood start. Also Heath Miller +30% stats is still less than Cooley on a year by year basis, a second round pick. Nothing to really say about Logan Mankins, its pretty difficult to address other teams' O-line unless they make the Pro Bowl or get crushed on national TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w33dh0l3 Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 Disagree. All of these picks, more than just a few, are quality, legit, first round players IMO. Ronnie Brown - RB Braylon Edwards - WR Carnell Williams - RB Demarcus Ware - DE Shawne Merriman - OLB Jammal Brown - OT Derrick Johnson - OLB Travis Johnson - DT David Pollack - DE (was awesome before breaking his neck) Marcus Spears - DE Chris Spencer - OC Luis Castillo - DT Marlin Jackson - CB Heath Miller - TE Logan Mankins - OG It does drop off as per usual but they're still quality guys available in the later rounds such as: Frank Gore, Lofa Tatupu, Justin Tuck, Channing Crowder, Marion Barber, Brady Poppinga, Jerome Mathis, Chris Canty, Brandon Jacobs, Trent Cole, Mike Montgomery and Jovan Haye. I'm not going to argue many of these, but Cadillac's stats are pretty terrible, 798 yards, 1 td, 3.5 ypc 14 games last year. Also, Marcus Spears has 3 sacks in 33 starts (out of 39) in his career, Canty has a whopping 4.5 sacks by comparsion. And Brady Poppinga looked like he was everywhere against us, but his stats doesn't show that he's done anything in 3 years. Why did you name 3 Cowboys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w33dh0l3 Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 Disagree. All of these picks, more than just a few, are quality, legit, first round players IMO. Ronnie Brown - RB Braylon Edwards - WR Carnell Williams - RB Demarcus Ware - DE Shawne Merriman - OLB Jammal Brown - OT Derrick Johnson - OLB Travis Johnson - DT David Pollack - DE (was awesome before breaking his neck) Marcus Spears - DE Chris Spencer - OC Luis Castillo - DT Marlin Jackson - CB Heath Miller - TE Logan Mankins - OG It does drop off as per usual but they're still quality guys available in the later rounds such as: Frank Gore, Lofa Tatupu, Justin Tuck, Channing Crowder, Marion Barber, Brady Poppinga, Jerome Mathis, Chris Canty, Brandon Jacobs, Trent Cole, Mike Montgomery and Jovan Haye. I'm not going to argue many of these, but Cadillac's stats are pretty terrible, 798 yards, 1 td, 3.5 ypc 14 games last year. Also, Marcus Spears has 3 sacks in 33 starts (out of 39) in his career, Canty has a whopping 4.5 sacks by comparsion. And Brady Poppinga looked like he was everywhere against us, but his stats doesn't show that he's done anything in 3 years. Why did you name 3 Cowboys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 The St. Louis line is pretty terrible, lolAlso to the poster earlier, Cooley's stats are almost twice as better than Heath Miller in terms of yards in 2005 and 2006, and better overall in terms of touchdowns. The Rams lost 3 starters on OL to injury. Barron's the only healthy guy left. He can't do it alone. Our OL stinks right now due to injuries. Does that make Samuels mediocre? Barron's a good player As for Miller, lay off the stats. If you watch a Steeler game you'll see how important he is to their offense. And right now he and Cooley are having identical seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 The St. Louis line is pretty terrible, lolAlso to the poster earlier, Cooley's stats are almost twice as better than Heath Miller in terms of yards in 2005 and 2006, and better overall in terms of touchdowns. The Rams lost 3 starters on OL to injury. Barron's the only healthy guy left. He can't do it alone. Our OL stinks right now due to injuries. Does that make Samuels mediocre? Barron's a good player As for Miller, lay off the stats. If you watch a Steeler game you'll see how important he is to their offense. And right now he and Cooley are having identical seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUskins Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I dont know about all these players but Ronnie Brown was 3rd in the league in rushing, 2nd in total yard from scrimmage at the time he was injured last week. There was talk of the pro bowl surrounding him so he would be closer to an emerging star than a bust. He has more yards and higher average than LT, Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson and others. Cadillac has suffered from injury this year and last year as well as a crappy team. You have to consider that most of these players went to weak teams (thats how the draft works right?) so they dont have alot of help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUskins Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I dont know about all these players but Ronnie Brown was 3rd in the league in rushing, 2nd in total yard from scrimmage at the time he was injured last week. There was talk of the pro bowl surrounding him so he would be closer to an emerging star than a bust. He has more yards and higher average than LT, Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson and others. Cadillac has suffered from injury this year and last year as well as a crappy team. You have to consider that most of these players went to weak teams (thats how the draft works right?) so they dont have alot of help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGI Jef Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 2 years later this honestly looks like a pretty good draft... i think it will end up being one of the better drafts of the past 5 years, if not the best tgijef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGI Jef Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 2 years later this honestly looks like a pretty good draft... i think it will end up being one of the better drafts of the past 5 years, if not the best tgijef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Why did you name 3 Cowboys? Because they're good. Canty was a good value pick in the fourth. Ware is a legit first round pick and so is Spears IMO. It has nothing to do with the team they're playing for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Why did you name 3 Cowboys? Because they're good. Canty was a good value pick in the fourth. Ware is a legit first round pick and so is Spears IMO. It has nothing to do with the team they're playing for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Because they're good. Canty was a good value pick in the fourth. Ware is a legit first round pick and so is Spears IMO. It has nothing to do with the team they're playing for. Canty was a good pick in the 4th, Ware deserved his slot, Spears? Not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Because they're good. Canty was a good value pick in the fourth. Ware is a legit first round pick and so is Spears IMO. It has nothing to do with the team they're playing for. Canty was a good pick in the 4th, Ware deserved his slot, Spears? Not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitStickTaylor21 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 3 Braylon Edwards - WR- While not immediately an impact, Edwards has begun to cominto his own this year. wasn't an immediate impact because he tore his ACL his rookie year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitStickTaylor21 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 3 Braylon Edwards - WR- While not immediately an impact, Edwards has begun to cominto his own this year. wasn't an immediate impact because he tore his ACL his rookie year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 ]']Canty was a good pick in the 4th' date=' Ware deserved his slot, Spears? Not so much.[/quote']Spears you can make an argument against. I debated putting him in there. He's got first round talent/skill IMO, but seems to be somewhat of an underachiever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 ]']Canty was a good pick in the 4th' date=' Ware deserved his slot, Spears? Not so much.[/quote']Spears you can make an argument against. I debated putting him in there. He's got first round talent/skill IMO, but seems to be somewhat of an underachiever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow184 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 He had surgery in 06 and he finally is back playing now his rookie year in 05 started 6 games and had 4 sacks so that shows what you know Chow and Marlin Jackson is one of the reason the Colts D is so much better.M. Jackson stats 39 Tackles and 1 int. C. Rodgers stats 15 Tackles and 1 int. so who is playing better? are you slow? lol Erasmus James had 4 sacks in 05 in 06 and 07 he has a whopping 2 tackles and has been active for just 1 game this season and didn't even play. Carlos Rogers has been good in coverage and is solid against the run. just because marlin jackson has more tackles doesnt mean he's better. and it's actually a fact the best defenses in the NFL have fewer tackles cause they get off the field in 3 downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow184 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 He had surgery in 06 and he finally is back playing now his rookie year in 05 started 6 games and had 4 sacks so that shows what you know Chow and Marlin Jackson is one of the reason the Colts D is so much better.M. Jackson stats 39 Tackles and 1 int. C. Rodgers stats 15 Tackles and 1 int. so who is playing better? are you slow? lol Erasmus James had 4 sacks in 05 in 06 and 07 he has a whopping 2 tackles and has been active for just 1 game this season and didn't even play. Carlos Rogers has been good in coverage and is solid against the run. just because marlin jackson has more tackles doesnt mean he's better. and it's actually a fact the best defenses in the NFL have fewer tackles cause they get off the field in 3 downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufumonk Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Braylon, as I insisted to SOME people on this board, was a great player capable of making great plays. You and me both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufumonk Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Braylon, as I insisted to SOME people on this board, was a great player capable of making great plays. You and me both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWCREDSKINS Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Merriman and Ware are the only 2 I'd really take over Carlos. Merriman especialyl would've been perfect here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWCREDSKINS Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Merriman and Ware are the only 2 I'd really take over Carlos. Merriman especialyl would've been perfect here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRock Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 He had surgery in 06 and he finally is back playing now his rookie year in 05 started 6 games and had 4 sacks so that shows what you know Chow and Marlin Jackson is one of the reason the Colts D is so much better.M. Jackson stats 39 Tackles and 1 int. C. Rodgers stats 15 Tackles and 1 int. so who is playing better? Rogers! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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