Oldfan Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 The Santana Factor 2005 was the only injury-free year so far in Santana Moss's career. In that year, he and Brunell hooked up both deep and on WR screens that Moss broke for long gains. Between the fourth quarter of the Dallas Miracle and the San Francisco blowout, they combined for most of the yardage of a passing game that averaged over 300 yards. But, after San Francisco, teams began double-covering Moss and our passing game averaged only 150 yards for the rest of the season. The double covering of Moss meant that teams couldn't stack eight in the box to stop the run, so we pounded Clinton Portis and the run game to finish out the year with good results. A healthy Santana Moss is the only player we have good enough to warrant double coverage. If teams can get by with single coverage on him this year, as they seem to be doing in the preseason, it will give them an edge in stopping our run game. It's something to keep an eye on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsniper1 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I think a QB that can look at more than 1 reciever is also key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 he will definately be a factor. He's already struck 1 decent deep ball in a preseason game. as long as our O-line can keep JC upright, i have no doubt that Moss will put up great numbers...he's clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 True they have to do something to keep the focus off Moss and Cooley. It'd be nice if Loyd or Randel would become a factor. I think Thrash could also contribute more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isifhan Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 A healthy Santana Moss is the only player we have good enough to warrant double coverage. If teams can get by with single coverage on him this year, as they seem to be doing in the preseason, it will give them an edge in stopping our run game. It's something to keep an eye on. I would venture a guess that some teams will end up rolling double coverage to Cooley at times, but yeah as far as consistent double teams go Santana is the only one that warrents it. I love 'Tana but you have to bet that he's going to be hurt for a game or two this year. Lloyd and El have to step it up if we're to have any hope of seeing the playoffs. I think they have a better shot at stepping up if a healthy Jason Campbell is in there and the timing is down, but this season hinges on the production of Campell and the #2-3 wideouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthor99 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I think it's good that you mentioned this because i think Al Saunders should really break down the film on how we used Moss during the 06' season. The bubble screens like some of you mentioned work very well with Moss speed, and most Corners are going to give him a cushion because they don't want to get beat deep by him. I think its key for Al Saunders to stretch the field early with Moss to allow the Defense to be on there heels once that we can mix in the bubble screens to big gains, and when they come up for bump coverages we beat them deep with the playaction. I also, agree with what some of you mentioned about our other WR stepping up because that is also key someone on our WR corp needs to make a big impression this season besides Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 I think a QB that can look at more than 1 reciever is also key. that will improve the passing game. It doesn't help the running game unless the defense is forced to use more defenders in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Cooley is going to have a great year this year and gonna get doubled alot. Campbell does something that Brunell was not doing much of anymore and that is throw the ball down the middle of the field so teams stop playing the unpenetrable cover 2 against us. We saw signs of that in the Steelers game when Cooley was running wild everywhere. But if Moss is healthy he will demand double teams. We have alot of options this year and I hope Campbell gets the ball to all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 he will definately be a factor. He's already struck 1 decent deep ball in a preseason game. as long as our O-line can keep JC upright, i have no doubt that Moss will put up great numbers...he's clutch. That deep ball Moss caught from Campbell is the play that inspired my post. I noticed he was covered man-to-man on that play. Our success in burning them when they do that will be one of the keys to our running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 Cooley is going to have a great year this year and gonna get doubled alot. Campbell does something that Brunell was not doing much of anymore and that is throw the ball down the middle of the field so teams stop playing the unpenetrable cover 2 against us. We saw signs of that in the Steelers game when Cooley was running wild everywhere. But if Moss is healthy he will demand double teams. We have alot of options this year and I hope Campbell gets the ball to all of them. I think Cooley is a weapon, but I wouldn't double him. A good cover safety will minimize his production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuchip703 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I like the idea of using Moss or Randle-el more on the bubble screen to set up a downfield throw later in the game. Fake the bubble screen pass to the WR and the TE or WR who was supposed to be the blocker breaks downfield for the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant15fromNJ Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Vert true santana better get back to 2005 form.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPstretch Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 what kind of numbers do you guys HONESTLY expect santana to put up. put your homerism aside and take into consideration that he is already not 100% healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 I like the idea of using Moss or Randle-el more on the bubble screen to set up a downfield throw later in the game. Fake the bubble screen pass to the WR and the TE or WR who was supposed to be the blocker breaks downfield for the pass. So do I. I don't remember the stat, but an amazing number of Brunell's TD passes in 2005 were passes completed behind the LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 what kind of numbers do you guys HONESTLY expect santana to put up. put your homerism aside and take into consideration that he is already not 100% healthy. He may be dogging it in the preseason. Why risk a hammy pull now? The odds are against a completely healthy year, like 2005, so luck is a factor without doubt. My opinion -- without a completely healthy Moss in 2005, we don't even sniff the playoffs that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan4life Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Moss should put up 60rec, 1100+ yds and 8 TDs. The offense will benefit from with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Pease Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 The only time teams will not double Santana is when they guess it's going to be a running play. Santana is too fast for any CB to cover one-on-one. In preseason sometimes defenses may put a single corner on a #1 receiver to see how good that CB can handle a difficult situation; but when the game counts to cover Santana one-on-one is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 The only time teams will not double Santana is when they guess it's going to be a running play. Santana is too fast for any CB to cover one-on-one. In preseason sometimes defenses may put a single corner on a #1 receiver to see how good that CB can handle a difficult situation; but when the game counts to cover Santana one-on-one is stupid. True, but only if he is 100% healthy. The Jets didn't trade him because they didn't realize how talented he is when healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Second year in Saunders offense can only help them which is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I think Campbell will only make Santana better. We'll likely see a lot more long balls thrown his way which will open up lanes for CP in the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 If teams can get by with single coverage on him this year, as they seem to be doing in the preseason, it will give them an edge in stopping our run game.It's something to keep an eye on. Who else laughed out loud? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I think a QB that can look at more than 1 reciever is also key. Scottie could look in more than one direction! Santana or check down to Betts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 So do I. I don't remember the stat, but an amazing number of Brunell's TD passes in 2005 were passes completed behind the LOS. Most, I'd figure 16 of Brunell's touchdowns were less than 10 yard throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 Who else laughed out loud? :laugh: Oh, come on, zoony. Don't be coy. What major blunder have I made? Don't make me wait and suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helptheSKINS Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Moss Healthy - 80 catches, 1200 yards, 8-10 TD's. Hopefully more receivers will contribute so he doesn't need more yardage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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