Does the Draft Value Chart Matter Anymore?

[daveakl]

That is the problem. People (including those who are paid big bucks to pass themselves off as "experts") insist on judging trades as if they exist a vacuum.

In fact, you can just look at what happened. Philly wanted out of the 26 pick and took value to get Cleveland's 2nd. Carolina dealt down from 14 to 25. Neither of those deals required anything resembling a potential top 10 pick to complete. It's pretty easy to put together a scenario where Cleveland made those kinds of deals, got Quinn and kept next year's 1. There is simply no reason to assume that no one would take a deal from Cleveland to do that. Therefore, there is no reason to pretend Cleveland didn't dop the ball and put themselves over a barrell. And nothing Quinn will ever do changes that. No matter how good he is, it doesn't justify giving up more for him than they had to.

Who was Cleveland going to trade with though? At 26 they didn't think they would get Quinn because the Chiefs may have picked him.

Carolina wouldn't move from 14 to 36 unless there was some serious picks thrown in. You act like Cleveland gave up a ton for him but really it was just a second round pick. They would most likely use their 1st rounder on a QB next year, so why not get Quinn now and put him in your system a year early.

[dent19]

I think it only matters when teams are dealing with our front office. other then that NO!

We always seem to give up more then we get and reward teams for players that dont pan out.

[Rufus T Firefly]

That is the problem. People (including those who are paid big bucks to pass themselves off as "experts") insist on judging trades as if they exist a vacuum.

In fact, you can just look at what happened. Philly wanted out of the 26 pick and took value to get Cleveland's 2nd. Carolina dealt down from 14 to 25. Neither of those deals required anything resembling a potential top 10 pick to complete. It's pretty easy to put together a scenario where Cleveland made those kinds of deals, got Quinn and kept next year's 1. There is simply no reason to assume that no one would take a deal from Cleveland to do that. Therefore, there is no reason to pretend Cleveland didn't dop the ball and put themselves over a barrell. And nothing Quinn will ever do changes that. No matter how good he is, it doesn't justify giving up more for him than they had to.

Who was Cleveland going to trade with though? At 26 they didn't think they would get Quinn because the Chiefs may have picked him.

Carolina wouldn't move from 14 to 36 unless there was some serious picks thrown in. You act like Cleveland gave up a ton for him but really it was just a second round pick. They would most likely use their 1st rounder on a QB next year, so why not get Quinn now and put him in your system a year early.

No, it was a high second and a probable top 10 pick next year. And yes, that IS a ton. Again, the difference between pick #36 and pick 22 should be worth about a 3rd round pick. If they had to pay more than that, fine. But to give up a pick that will be that high is ridiculous.

What I was saying with Carolina is they could have made the trade and Carolina could have then dealt back up to get Beason. Or, they could have dealt with Philly themselves and then used that pick to deal with Carolina, or any of ten other teams, Yes, it would have cost a lot of picks, but nowhere near next year's 1st.

If they can't figure out how to deal from the high 2nd round to mid/late 1st without giving up a pick you know will probably be top 10, you have no business running a team. And people instead are prsising them for screwing themselves like that.

[Angus]

From Cleveland's standpoint, at #22 it was now or never because the team at #23 was ready to take Quinn itself. They were in the position of a buyer in a seller's market. If they wanted the merchandise, they had to pay the price. Now, whether the merchandise was really worth that price (to anybody else) is a different matter. Dallas didn't have to sell its pick (and wasn't certain it could move back up and take Spencer who it was ready to take [not Quinn] even if Cleveland had declined the deal). Both parties took risks, and each decided what was worth the risk to them. It was a fair deal, and each of them probably thinks they got the better of it.

[Rufus T Firefly]

From Cleveland's standpoint, at #22 it was now or never because the team at #23 was ready to take Quinn itself. They were in the position of a buyer in a seller's market. If they wanted the merchandise, they had to pay the price. Now, whether the merchandise was really worth that price (to anybody else) is a different matter. Dallas didn't have to sell its pick (and wasn't certain it could move back up and take Spencer who it was ready to take [not Quinn] even if Cleveland had declined the deal). Both parties took risks, and each decided what was worth the risk to them. It was a fair deal, and each of them probably thinks they got the better of it.

And, again, there is the problem. They waited until Dallas was on the clock and they had to rape themselves to get a deal done. They could have dealt with any of the ten teams ahead of Dallas, given up more than fair value without giving up the probable superstar pick from next year, and had Quinn.

So, it comes down to believing that:

A) For some reason, and for the first time in recent memory, no one was willing to trade dwon for extra value (or they were all discriminating against Cleveland for some reason); or

Cleveland wasn't aggressive or creative enough to get a deal done until Dallas was on the clock and able to hold them over a barrell.