MustangSteve Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 For a coach who lead the NFL in offense for 5 years with the Chiefs, sure did NOT have the weapons Joe Gibbs is giving him for this upcoming and many more years. The Chiefs have a good QB, TE, RB, and WR and Saunders would grab Defenses by there throats with only that! If they had our Defense, the Patriots would of never made a SuperBowl IMO. Well he has more then that now with Santana Moss, Randel-El, Brandon Lloyd, Chris Cooley and Clinton Portis in the backfield and in pass patterns. Brunell was very sharp when he had his starting recievers, come on people he burned Dallas and NY for 35 points with only Moss and Cooley. Brunell is 36 years old, most QB are at there best between 34 and 39 years of age. Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Jim Plunkett, Warren Moon, Joe Montana and many more, yes there legs slow down but so what when your stacked with weapons at all positions. The best part is were not even finished picking up free agents and drafts to fill the other positions needed and YES we have the cap money since it was raised and we went down around 120 million with the release of LA and few others who are under contract but seeking elsewhere or cut. What our exact salary is I dont know, but Dan Snyder does and so does Joe Gibbs, thats why there still bringing more beast into Redskins Park and some Defensive ones on there way. With what Joe Gibbs is building for GW's Defense and AS's Offense, its gonna be fun to watch fans!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Chaaaaaaaa-ching! But Campbell better hurry up and take this team over. If he develops they way we all hope he will... man, we are going to be very, very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 Chaaaaaaaa-ching!But Campbell better hurry up and take this team over. If he develops they way we all hope he will... man, we are going to be very, very good. It wouldnt hurt my feelings a bit if Campbell came out and lit up the NFL with these weapons, dont matter who it is as long as we burn em up all year baby!!!! :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangee7 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 ... Brunell was very sharp when he had his starting recievers, come on people he burned Dallas and NY for 35 points with only Moss and Cooley.Brunell is 36 years old, most QB are at there best between 34 and 39 years of age. Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Warren Moon, Joe Montana and many more... With what Joe Gibbs is building for GW's Defense and AS's Offense, its gonna be fun to watch fans!!! Nice post. I agree whole heartedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philal0102 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 agreed totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnacpa Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Our offense the past two seasons has be the weaker link compared with the Defense ... not so much last season until the playoffs, but definitely in 2004. Now our Offense is shaping out to be the strength. I hope we can still obtain a decent DE, LB and reserve CB in either free agency or the draft. I also hope that our new additions as well as the returning veterans can gel together and really pick up Al Saunders new offense quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest amaprius Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 ...Brunell is 36 years old, most QB are at there best between 34 and 39 years of age. Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Warren Moon, Joe Montana and many more, yes there legs slow down but so what when your stacked with weapons at all positions. You forgot the oldest great QB....Plunkett....I will never forget him from that one SB that shall remain nameless...He was great though...Dang it all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 Our offense the past two seasons has be the weaker link compared with the Defense ... not so much last season until the playoffs, but definitely in 2004. Now our Offense is shaping out to be the strength. I hope we can still obtain a decent DE, LB and reserve CB in either free agency or the draft.I also hope that our new additions as well as the returning veterans can gel together and really pick up Al Saunders new offense quickly. Good point brotha and Saunders offense isnt really much different then ours, just more screen passes, making linebackers cover fast backs but he doesnt just run run pass like we did in the playoffs. He comes strait out and attacks a Defense, and with a Defense like ours, we could have teams by the throat in the 1st quarter, very possible. Im with ya on these other spots needing filled too and I see some good names coming into Redskins Park so far, and its not even draft time yet. GW and AS will let Gibbs know exactly what they need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Brunell was very sharp when he had his starting recievers, come on people he burned Dallas and NY for 35 points with only Moss and Cooley. Brunell is 36 years old, most QB are at there best between 34 and 39 years of age. Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Warren Moon, Joe Montana and many more, yes there legs slow down but so what when your stacked with weapons at all positions. I agree with the rest of your post but this had to be rebutted. Brunell did not put up 35 on NY, what game were you watching? He threw a pick for a score which helped keep NYG in the game and we were on our way to possibly losing our grip on the game until that Moss TD. I believe we had 20 points at the time he left with the knee injury. During Dallas, he was the beneficiary of some great Moss work and multiple VERY SHORT fields due to the defense giving the O the ball back. As for his best, so far in his Washington career (as he enters these 'golden years' of which you speak) he has struggled to hit not 300 yards but TWO HUNDRED and has MULTIPLE sub-100 yard passing games. Yes, I know, I know--weapons. Except we had multiple fan reports stating that guys WERE open and Brunell simply refused to throw to them. Moon and Montana were excellent pocket passers. Brunell simply is not, unless you really think a handful of games in 20+ games is representative of his ability. No, our hopes rest with Campbell (long-term.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 You forgot the oldest great QB....Plunkett....I will never forget him from that one SB that shall remain nameless...He was great though...Dang it all! Great point, he will be added ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 I agree with the rest of your post but this had to be rebutted. Brunell did not put up 35 on NY, what game were you watching? He threw a pick for a score which helped keep NYG in the game and we were on our way to possibly losing our grip on the game until that Moss TD. I believe we had 20 points at the time he left with the knee injury.During Dallas, he was the beneficiary of some great Moss work and multiple VERY SHORT fields due to the defense giving the O the ball back. As for his best, so far in his Washington career (as he enters these 'golden years' of which you speak) he has struggled to hit not 300 yards but TWO HUNDRED and has MULTIPLE sub-100 yard passing games. Yes, I know, I know--weapons. Except we had multiple fan reports stating that guys WERE open and Brunell simply refused to throw to them. Moon and Montana were excellent pocket passers. Brunell simply is not, unless you really think a handful of games in 20+ games is representative of his ability. No, our hopes rest with Campbell (long-term.) Yea Ramsey helped but every great QB in the NFL has thrown an int for a TD. Brett Favres first pass was and int for a TD against us when he played for Atlanta. It really doesnt matter to me if this Campell guy is as good as everyone hopes, Im hoping myself he comes out this years knowing this offense and fighting Brunell to the wire for the starting position. as long as we have 2 QB's who can run this team, we will be fine ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Yea Ramsey helped but every great QB in the NFL has thrown an int for a TD. Brett Favres first pass was and int for a TD against us when he played for Atlanta. as long as we have 2 QB's who can run this team, we will be fine ;-) I'm not making a point about Brunell's career by bringing up that one returned for a TD against NYG. I'm talking about the specific game. I didn't bring up that performance, you did. I'm merely dismantling the claim you made (regarding that game and Dallas.) I think Brunell's better performances came when the team was struggling. During our win streak, the D started creating turnovers, Portis manned up and Moss was Moss. As for your last sentence, I guess my point is we have one guy who will be good enough for a playoff exit and a young guy who MIGHT be able to take us to the Bowl. (I do think if Brunell were RESTED by late in the year and had to come in, after a brief adjustment period, I think we could win the SB with him. But going through a full season and doing that? Not really.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIDETHEWALRUS Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 First off, Excellent thread. I am glad to see a thought out thread that can lead to some quality debate instead of the recent surge of 1 liners filled with more 1 liners. Secondly, I agree with most of what you had to say. The various options available on offense is quite frightening. I will be anxious to see what Mike Sellars does in the upcoming year. I know he didn't have many receptions or yards, but he did have 7 TDs. I expect CP to be the rushing leader next year or close to it. He will also have alot of recieving yards. Larry Johnson caught alot of balls for the Chiefs last year and Brunell is a big fan of the dump-offs. I also expect Cooley to break the 1000 yd mark next year. The addition of Randell-El and Lloyd will not be measured in their stats alone, but rather in the production of Chris Cooley. I don't expect Santana's numbers to increase though. WIth the increase in options and big play threats I don'tsee him getting the ball as often as he did this year. I would not be surprised in the least to see him with only 70 receptions this year with Llyod getting in the 60s and El getting in the 50s. Cooley of course will have in the 80s because of Brunell's propensity to dump it off. Lastly the impact of Saunders with his new talent will be vast. In the traditional sense we are in excellent shape with the aforementioned players. When it comes to trick plays, however, we will be in an even more impressive condition. El is excellent at throwing the ball, Portis is very good at shot-putting the ball. Having three capable QBs on the field at any given point in time will make Ds play very basic sets. They will have to have an extra level of discipline because we could break out some crazy stuff at any moment. 2006 is going to be a great year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 First off, Excellent thread. I am glad to see a thought out thread that can lead to some quality debate instead of the recent surge of 1 liners filled with more 1 liners.Secondly, I agree with most of what you had to say. The various options available on offense is quite frightening. I will be anxious to see what Mike Sellars does in the upcoming year. I know he didn't have many receptions or yards, but he did have 7 TDs. I expect CP to be the rushing leader next year or close to it. He will also have alot of recieving yards. Larry Johnson caught alot of balls for the Chiefs last year and Brunell is a big fan of the dump-offs. I also expect Cooley to break the 1000 yd mark next year. The addition of Randell-El and Lloyd will not be measured in their stats alone, but rather in the production of Chris Cooley. I don't expect Santana's numbers to increase though. WIth the increase in options and big play threats I don'tsee him getting the ball as often as he did this year. I would not be surprised in the least to see him with only 70 receptions this year with Llyod getting in the 60s and El getting in the 50s. Cooley of course will have in the 80s because of Brunell's propensity to dump it off. Lastly the impact of Saunders with his new talent will be vast. In the traditional sense we are in excellent shape with the aforementioned players. When it comes to trick plays, however, we will be in an even more impressive condition. El is excellent at throwing the ball, Portis is very good at shot-putting the ball. Having three capable QBs on the field at any given point in time will make Ds play very basic sets. They will have to have an extra level of discipline because we could break out some crazy stuff at any moment. 2006 is going to be a great year! While I see where you're coming from on a lot of these points, I don't see Cooley going for 1000+. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen.... I see him putting up numbers comparable to last years. I think Moss won't have as many catches or as many yards, but he'll have just as many big plays. All I know is that we've got a lot more weapons now and have opened up things a lot for the weapons we already have. It's gonna be hard to satisfy all the needs for everyone...but damn, it's gonna be fun to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins838791 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I hope we can still obtain a decent DE, LB and reserve CB in either free agency or the draft. i think devan hester will be a steal in the draft. hope we get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 While I see where you're coming from on a lot of these points, I don't see Cooley going for 1000+. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen....I see him putting up numbers comparable to last years. I think Moss won't have as many catches or as many yards, but he'll have just as many big plays. All I know is that we've got a lot more weapons now and have opened up things a lot for the weapons we already have. It's gonna be hard to satisfy all the needs for everyone...but damn, it's gonna be fun to watch Its hard to say brotha, remember the posse had 1000 yards for each reciever in the same year and a 1000 yard running back. Now with these 3 recievers we have now and Portis in the back field, Im hoping Defenses forget about Cooley cause he can make them remember quikly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeast36 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I am not an expert on Al Saunders' offense of the past but didn't they rarely use 3 WR sets?... If thats the case then how will Saunders use either Randle-El or Lloyd(given the depth char)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedExFielder Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 My friend is a naive Packer fan and he predicted us going 8-8 lol, he also thinks GB will win the North so don't read into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I hope we can still obtain a decent DE, LB and reserve CB in either free agency or the draft.i think devan hester will be a steal in the draft. hope we get him. Deven Hester? Really? Hester will be a return specialist only at the NFL level and we just signed Randle El. He couldn't play DB a Miami. He surely can't in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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