redman Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 I certainly don't see myself as a big defender of Marty, but I do think that you don't win the number of NFL games that he's won without a good reason for it. Here are some facts: Average record of team and ranking of offense (based upon points scored) the year before Marty took over: 7-9; 20th Average record of team and ranking of offense during Marty's first season: 7-9; 24th Average record and ranking of offense during Marty's first full* season (meaning including training camp): 8-8; 23rd *Marty inherited the '84 Browns mid-season, after week 6 I believe. Average record of team and ranking of offense during Marty's second season with a team: 10-6; 15th Average record of team and ranking of offense during Marty's second full* season with a team: 12-4; 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 damn, thats some interesting stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 Redman, I'm not exactly sure where you are getting your numbers as I'm not following precisely what your staying, but, suffice it to say, no one questions that a Marty Schottenheimer offense CAN be better than this one was. In 1986 when he had a very good Cleveland team and a 12-4 record, it was with a Top 10 passing offense and over 4000 yards with Kosar and the No. 22 or something run offense. In 1987 he had the No. 7 passing offense and the No. 22 running game. In 1988 he had the No. 10 passing offense and the No. 24 rushing offense. And he was asked to make offensive changes to his coaching staff after that season, a key reason he left for KC, because his teams couldn't run the ball and he lost two AFC Championship games on the strength of a solid passing game and limited running game. In KC he had a different animal right away with Okoye. His first team there was No. 25 in passing and No. 4 in rushing. In 1990, he was No. 10 and No. 10, in a year his team was No. 6 in scoring. The next year, he was No. 18 in passing and No. 3 in rushing again. I'm not really sure we are going anywhere specific with this. The point is, Marty has generally been a guy, who from his own admission, can make a QB a winner in his system which requires a pretty fair running game and a solid kicking game. It is a system that has worked for him and made him extremely successful. It would make him successful here. But, there is NOTHING different between what we saw here this year and what KC fans saw from him there over his years. This is Marty's style. Obviously we need and expect a bit more efficiency from the QB and with it we'd be a middle of the road offense. But, it's not the ranking that is required to suffice. It's the ability to dictate and force teams to make adjustments off what you do. Marty doesn't do that and never really has, even when he had a solid QB the few years he did. That's not what he does on offense. And if you think we can add the BEST QB in the game and Marty wouldn't still hand off on third down half the time, you are wrong. That's just exactly how he likes to do it. ------------------ Doom is in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 7, 2002 Author Share Posted January 7, 2002 More Marty facts - passing game statistics: average # of completions, attempts, yards, TD's and INT's the season before Marty began coaching: 316/552 (57.2%), 3769 (6.83 ypa), 20-23. average # of completions, attempts, yards, TD's and INT's during Marty's first season: 243/454 (53.5%), 3066 (6.75 ypa), 14-20 average # of completions, attempts, yards, TD's and INT's during Marty's first full* season: 239/427 (56.0%), 2864 (6.70 ypa), 15-16 average # of completions, attempts, yards, TD's and INT's during Marty's second season: 241/432 (55.8%), 3172 (7.34 ypa), 20-9 average # of completions, attempts, yards, TD's and INT's during Marty's second full* season: 288/494 (58.3%), 3738 (7.57 ypa), 21-8 *Again, Marty inherited the '84 Browns mid-season. ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://www.thelocker-room.com/images/RedskinLogo.jpg" border=0> "Loosen up, Sandy baby. You're just too damn tight!" - John Riggins to Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor [ by redman on January 07, 2002.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 average number of superbowl appearances per 16 years: 0 average nuber of suberbowl victories per 16 years: 0 average number of conference championships per 16 years: 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 7, 2002 Author Share Posted January 7, 2002 The point of all of this is simple. Marty is clearly a guy who wants things done his way (I'm sure we can all agree upon that.) Every time he's taken over as coach, he's inhereited a dysfunctional offense, in particular a dysfunctional passing offense. The best passing offense he inherited was the '84 Browns , who had racked up almose 4000 yards the previous year , but who had also matched 27 TD's with 28 INT's. In every case (and we're of course waiting on the future in Washington), by his second full season with a team he had retooled the passing game so that it was throwing many more TD's than INT's, and it was getting more yards per attempt. In other words, he improved the efficiency of the passing game. Did he create Air Coryell anywhere? Of course not. But his passers have gotten over 3500+ yards, throw 18-22 TD's, and around half that many picks, and average well over 7 yards per attempt. That's a solid passing game my friends, especially when it's paired up with the tough running attack he's already known for. Here's another observation, and on in which I think I'm in agreement with Art on. While the statistics above certainly indicate that Marty can adjust, they are not contradicted by what we saw on the field this year: a conservative offense that stayed conservative. Marty's best adjustments seem to come between seasons, when he can fully implement his plans. That makes sense, based upon what we saw in the importance he seemed to place upon training camp with us this year. He may well not be able to make good adjustments during the year. I'm not sure if that's a criticism, especially given how the salary cap kills team depth. But it is my observation. ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://www.thelocker-room.com/images/RedskinLogo.jpg" border=0> "Loosen up, Sandy baby. You're just too damn tight!" - John Riggins to Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 7, 2002 Author Share Posted January 7, 2002 al, based upon that, Joe Torre never would have been hired by the Yankees. And the FSU Seminoles should have fired Bobby Bowden, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers should have fired Osborne years ago before either of them won their (multiple) national championships. ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://www.thelocker-room.com/images/RedskinLogo.jpg" border=0> "Loosen up, Sandy baby. You're just too damn tight!" - John Riggins to Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 But how many times did he show up in the conference title game and have it seconds away from being won? I know he did it once with Cleveland the year we beat up on Denver (1987). Just because he hasnt been to the big game doesn't mean he can't get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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