God Help Me, I'm in Texas Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 This is a question for all you high school coaches out there: How does a team PREVENT turnovers? It seems like an almost impossible thing to prevent, doesn't it? We hear every week about how "we need to stop turning the ball over" Yet, turnovers are like these natural forces of nature: consequences of random occurences happening together and so fast that their almost uncontrollable (except the patented Ramsey out-route, of course) It's almost just like stupid bad luck: which obviously means God hates us and roots for the Cowboys. Anyway, how do you STOP turnovers? or even consistently create them? anyone know? (echo...echo) :rubeyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeNoRevs Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Tell your players to fall down like the Rams WR's did back in 99 and 2000 :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28rdsknsfn28 Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Well I am no coach but I would start by telling Brunell to quit holding the ball out in one hand while scrambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIDETHEWALRUS Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Create turnovers by gang tackling. The first guy on scene stops a defender and the second tries to put his helmet on the ball or rip it out. Create INTs by pressuring the QB into quick decisions. Stop turning the ball over by benching Brunell and putting Ram...were doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 There's no answer to the turnover issue. It's one of those weird things. You can coach and coach and coach, but nothing can be done. Gibbs has emphasized it over and over again. The ironic thing is, Brunell has bought into it. That's why he sends so many passes to the sidelines that hit coaches in the head. Ironically, he can't stop the fumbling. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudMouth12thMan Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 you stop turnovers by protecting your quarterback and throwing the ball under pressure either to a receiver, or near one on the ground, or out of bounds outside the tackles. secure the ball when you run. look the ball in before you run. these are all simple formulas we were taught in peewee league. pros spend so much time scheming, and watching film, and running routes, etc... that they forget the basics. signed, Coach Armchair "Monday Morning" Quarterback:anon: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoles11 Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Some turnovers like you said just can't be helped, if a safety comes flying in and puts his helmet on the ball not a whole lot you can do about it. Brunells fumbles are a bit different. He is not good at running at protecting the ball at the same time. I hold my breath when he starts moving in the pocket because his first move its to hold the ball below his waist away from his body and swing it around like a wild man, its poor technique and probably something he's done forever which is why he can't just stop doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Well I am no coach but I would start by telling Brunell to quit holding the ball out in one hand while scrambling. Seriously.How many times is this guy going to fumble before he starts carrying it differently? He's been in the league for 10+ years it seems to me somebody would have said something to him about it by now. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjblair Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Brunells fumbles are a bit different. He is not good at running at protecting the ball at the same time. I hold my breath when he starts moving in the pocket because his first move its to hold the ball below his waist away from his body and swing it around like a wild man, its poor technique and probably something he's done forever which is why he can't just stop doing it. Exactly. It is hard to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Happy Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 If a player is making a conscious effort to protect the football, it's tough to knock it loose. A lot of the fumbles are due to carelessness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Vet Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 I'm a convert to MB this season after he showed some major flashes of brilliance that Ramsey could never have done.....however, seriously - he needs to do something about how he carries the ball when he scrambles...... If he gets blindsided by 15 members of the defense as our superior OL crumbles - I can't put that on Brunell.....but if he's running around w/ the ball 4' from his chest w/ an itty bitty finger tippy grip....it will continue to happen. Scary huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Using Tiki Barber as an example, teaching a better technique for carrying the ball can cut down on fumbles. Using Brett Farve as an example, you could bench a player like him and replace him with a more cautious QB to cut down on turnovers but would this be wise? Turnovers must be weighed relative to point production. All QBs have strengths and weaknesses. Ramsey doesn't throw the fade very well. When Patrick replaced Mark in the first Giants game in 2004, Gibbs called a fade for him in the red zone which was intercepted. Shame on Ramsey or shame on Gibbs? Most QB turnovers are the result of pressure. Coaches have a number of options available to relieve that pressure. The simplest is to call quick, short passes rather than deeper, slower developing routes. Norv Turner does that a lot...so do the teams running the West Coast Offense. Predictability in play calling can result in turnovers when the defense can bring more people to defend your plays in certain down and distance situations. Most turnovers are forced. A negative turnover differential, like the points for and against stat, is an effect of being outplayed. It's not the cause of losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyRules Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 At one point, our own Larry Brown had a bad case of fumbles. If my memory serves me well (if not, somebody please correct me), George Allen made Larry carry a football around with him 24/7 for about two weeks. The fumbles disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalRedskinFan Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Some can be helped. The way the ball is carried and bad choices. And some cannot, those freak turnovers are the ones that are killing us! I figure its a matter of time before the scales tip back into our favor!:point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty420 Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 ur points on briunells fumbles are ok but he did not funmble the ball this past sunday. it was portis this time. and like anything its all mental. they coaches are so focused on it that the players are dwelling on it. as much as we hate brunnels fumbles he is nopt alone, moss has fumbled, betts has fumbled, portis has fumbled, cooley has fumbled, cartwright has fumbled. and all those fumbles hurt us and contributedf to our 4 other losses not including the giants game. don;t put the wieght just on brunell when it comes to fumbles or turnovers. we as a team have been turning the ball over. not just brunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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