AJWatson3 Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 this was actually my response to the thread about how many points we could score... i pared down the answer to make a new thread. here goes: "i think we can put up 17 on the Broncos, gonna have to live and die by the run though. the defense should keep us in it, we've got to keep them fresh by running... and setting up the play-action against Denver's shaky secondary-- yes, i said shaky secondary. i'm not going to even mention week one against MIA as i think it's tough to get a feel for a team the first time the lay wood with actual wins and losses on the line. however week two would not have resulted in a victory if Gates had been playing the past 3 weeks. their best passing option (their passing GAME) was rusty and it ended in a defensive TD for Denver to get them back in the game. they were also lucky to have gone against a team that has, arguably, the worst pass defense in football. the Bronco offense put up 3 points on a 7 play, 28 yard drive; 7 points on a 2 play, 29 yard drive, and 3 points on the most impressive drive of the day, 12 plays for 57 yards. basically SD handed Denver the ball with great field position for 1/2 of their points that day. week three is a great example of what you can do with a lead... force KC to throw, make sure Gonzalez is covered and enjoy winning. they were up 17-0 after one quarter against a team that isn't exactly known for playing defense... the made KC one-dimensional and took away the two-headed monster in Holmes and Johnson. good win for them, no doubt, as they dominated KC at home. week four is another example of playing well with a lead, albeit against a team much different from KC's. first off, JAX has a talented young QB who still makes rookie mistakes and doesn't protect the ball, and a poor OL. on top of that they played horribly undisciplined football last week. how about 15 penalties for 119 yards! Washington won't do that. we also won't turn the ball over 4 times on offense. a -4 turnover margin... inexperienced QB play, poor OL play, a running back whose best years are behind him... these boys aren't helping out their defense very much and were forcing from the outset. also, you won't see this stat out of a Joe Gibbs coached team: 34 pass attempts, 11 rush attempts. that's JAX's play-calling last week. Denver should expect a much different game this week against a team that has a great defense against both the run and pass, but also an offense that is lead by a savvy veteran QB, an offensive line with 4 pro-bowl worthy starters, a dynamic young RB who can carry the ball 25+ times per game and contribute in the passing game, and a pair of WR's who run crisp routes, don't drop passes, and can stretch the field. man, it sounds like we've got a pretty good team, or do i just have burgundy colored glasses on?" :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasee Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted October 6, 2005 Author Share Posted October 6, 2005 you post...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24spellsd Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 broncos fan here...good analysis and whats ur definition of a shakey secondary? im pretty sure if u saw games where ferguson,williams, and foxworth played u would have said something different...and weve stopped 4 elite running backs in the last 3 games so good luck with that. but neways good luck to an injury free game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFeelBad4You Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 the defense should keep us in it Thts wat the Chargers thought, thts wat the Chiefs thought, and thts wat the Jags thought. Are u seeing a pattern?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Kenzo Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Yeah, but the skins' D is legit. They play with heart and passion week in and week out. The Chiefs defense was good, at home, for one game, against the Jets!!! The Chargers on the other hand are not a legit Defense. I'll give them the Jags though. The skins' have proven that they can move the ball on good defenses as well. We moved it on the Bears, Cowboys, and Seahawks. All of which were considered top defensive teams. The Broncos secondary could possibly be the best secondary we have faced this season. But with a battered Champ, I don't know. This game will be a good test for our passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jth1331 Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Moved it on the Bears for 9 points, wow! Cowboys for 14 points, and one was a 70 yard TD bomb to Moss, and they could've shut you out if they played hard for 60 minutes and not 55 minutes. Seahawks, 20 points, thats solid though. And I love how you make it feel like it was the other teams fault for losing the game and not the Broncos' talent for winning the games. The Jaguars passed it 34 times because they couldn't run it, they just couldn't. Every run was for at most 2 yards, mostly no gain. There was no point in running the ball. And I guess it was the Jaguars fault for the turnovers, and not the pressure put on Leftwich, or Al Wilson forcing 2 fumbles, one on Leftwich and one on a WR, or the DBs playing excellent coverage and picking off passes. And it was the Chargers fault for losing the game because they threw a pick that was returned for 6. And the Chargers fault for giving the Broncos good field position all game. Don't mention the great defense the Broncos were playing, shutting down LT and Brees. 40 something total yards given up in the 2nd half of that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHUBAKAH Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 This just in :broncosuc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Thts wat the Chargers thought, thts wat the Chiefs thought, and thts wat the Jags thought. Are u seeing a pattern?? :laugh: that's what the Dolphins thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 they are an awe struck 19th against the pass! LT 19 carries Holmes 14 carries Taylor 8 carries impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Give the horses credit - they did shut down LT, who is admittedly a far better RB than Portis. I don't think either team will have much success running the ball. I must admit, I'm shocked at how effective the Cleveland Broncos are turning out - I expected Denver's DL to be a joke this year. Also, we're on the road. I think Moss can exploit their secondary IF Brunell stops underthrowing the long ball and develops some more accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt'n Obvious Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 I wouldn't call Larry Johnson an elite back just yet, and Fred Taylor's best years are behind him, so really its just Holmes and LT, and the Chargers decided to not give LT the ball. Skins 24 Broncos 10 :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZkinsFan Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Skins D will have to pull out another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clokwork orange Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 I wouldn't call Larry Johnson an elite back just yet, and Fred Taylor's best years are behind him, so really its just Holmes and LT, and the Chargers decided to not give LT the ball. Skins 24 Broncos 10 :helmet: how many elite backs have you faced? one alexander. How many yards did he have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinzRool Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 how many elite backs have you faced? one alexander. How many yards did he have? Most would consider Julius Jones a very good back as well. Bears running game is a joke though. I also don't think that we'll be able to run the ball effectively this game either. Denvers run D is just as good, if not better than ours. Their D-line is playing extremely well and if they miss a tackle, they have have the fastest LBs in football backing them up. However, there is no way that you Bronco fans can convince me that your secondary is as good as you think. IF the Skins can hit a couple of big pass plays to open up the running game they may just be able to pull this one out. :2cents: :broncosuc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RypienBoyhoodHero Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Look, regardless of this banter, this is an obvious litmus test for our squad. If this game is 20-17, I'll be shocked. We aren't running the ball that well, and DEN' rush D is solid. This game is going to show how much Brunell really has worked within the system and whether or not we need to throw more than pass. Not that is it a knock on Brunell, but Broncos D isn't going to give us a lot. Do I think the Bronco's secondary can stop Brunell and some of our receivers? i.e. Moss? for 60 min. No. I still think Broncos pull it out, its at home and they seem to be playing well. 16-13 Broncos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clokwork orange Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Look, regardless of this banter, this is an obvious litmus test for our squad. If this game is 20-17, I'll be shocked. We aren't running the ball that well, and DEN' rush D is solid. This game is going to show how much Brunell really has worked within the system and whether or not we need to throw more than pass. Not that is it a knock on Brunell, but Broncos D isn't going to give us a lot. Do I think the Bronco's secondary can stop Brunell and some of our receivers? i.e. Moss? for 60 min. No. I still think Broncos pull it out, its at home and they seem to be playing well.16-13 Broncos. litmus for us as well. The skins may be the better team. Just a tough spot for you guys this week. On the road against solid defense. If the game were at your park i think you could flip your breakdown of the game. good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csgunderson Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Moved it on the Bears for 9 points, wow! Cowboys for 14 points, and one was a 70 yard TD bomb to Moss, and they could've shut you out if they played hard for 60 minutes and not 55 minutes. Seahawks, 20 points, thats solid though. Yes, the Skins have had some degree of trouble scoring points, but this is not the 2004 offense that struggled mightily. In 2004, the Skins couldn't even sustain drives, much less score points. In 2005, however, the Skins are doing an excellent job of sustaining drives. And, as the performance against the Seahawks indicates, they are starting to learn how to turn those drives into points on a consistent basis. The stats don't lie. Against three solid defensive teams, the Skins have had 14 drives of 9 plays or more (out of 31 total drives). So, 45% of the time, the Skins have been able to methodically move the ball down the field -- winning valuable time of possession and field position for a team based on defense. And they have improved each time out: Against the Bears: drives of 14, 9, 9 and 15 plays (out of 11 drives) Against the Cowboys: drives of 9, 9, 9, 10 and 11 plays (out of 13 drives) Against the Seahawks: drives of 13, 14, 16, 10, and 12 plays (out of 7 drives) The Broncos, on the other hand, have not faired as well in this category. They have had only 9 drives of 9 plays or more - out of 37 total drives - for a 24% rate. What this all tells me for the match-up on Sunday is that the Skins have a very good chance of winning the time of possession and field position battles. For a team that relies on solid defense to win games, this is huge. If the Broncos follow their trend, and only produce a 2 or 3 long drives, the Skins will have plenty of opportunities to hold onto the ball, like they did against the Seahawks and Bears, to shorten the game and keep the defense rested. When you couple this with the fact that the Broncos' running game often struggles against "gap shooting" defenses -- see the Dolphins game this year and the Tampa Bay game last year -- that destroy the cut-back lanes the Broncos' running game relies on, the Skins will have a very good chance of keeping this game close and getting an opportunity to win it in the 4th quarter. Accordingly, I predict that another Nick Novak field goal wins it late in the game because the Denver defense stays on the field too long and gets tired: Redskins 20 Broncos 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green4life Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Bottomline is that this game will be a litmus test for both teams. Denver, a perenial playoff bust, is playing at home while the skins, a perenial sub-500 loser is playing with a chip on their shoulder. We believe that we got something to prove moreso than the Broncos. Hence, I believe the initial psychological edge goes to us. Further, I believe this game will bring out the best in Coach Gibbs who IMO is the best tactician in the business today. Gibbs will try to keep it close in the first half then look to pound away with Portis & Betts in the 3rd & 4th quarter. Denver will pick up some yards on the ground but not on a consistent basis. If Denver is not patient with the run, look for the long awaited defensive TD's to start pouring in cause your boy, Plummer, is as shaky as they come when things start heading south. My bet is that we will shut down Denver's running game in the first half and force Plummer to make plays in our secondary. The game will be won and lost on how patient Shanahan is with the running game. If he's patient, there's a more than 50% chance that Denver will win (especially considering the bonehead decision not to play Lavar!)... but if Denver is not committed to the running game for 60mins, look for a 20-16 scoreline in washington's favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clokwork orange Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Bottomline is that this game will be a litmus test for both teams. Denver, a perenial playoff bust, is playing at home while the skins, a perenial sub-500 loser is playing with a chip on their shoulder. We believe that we got something to prove moreso than the Broncos. Hence, I believe the initial psychological edge goes to us. Further, I believe this game will bring out the best in Coach Gibbs who IMO is the best tactician in the business today. Gibbs will try to keep it close in the first half then look to pound away with Portis & Betts in the 3rd & 4th quarter. Denver will pick up some yards on the ground but not on a consistent basis. If Denver is not patient with the run, look for the long awaited defensive TD's to start pouring in cause your boy, Plummer, is as shaky as they come when things start heading south. My bet is that we will shut down Denver's running game in the first half and force Plummer to make plays in our secondary. The game will be won and lost on how patient Shanahan is with the running game. If he's patient, there's a more than 50% chance that Denver will win (especially considering the bonehead decision not to play Lavar!)... but if Denver is not committed to the running game for 60mins, look for a 20-16 scoreline in washington's favor.Boy you must be close to alot of the skin's players to know their psyches so well. Do you use a congnitvie or behavioral approach? Skins and broncos are all pros, that pschological argument is crap. The better team will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kants1 Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 the altitude is the likely determinant. if the skins are still in it in the 4th qtr, we have chance. defensive line depth- to keep plummer in the pocket- will be the key.he is not a pocket passer- in fact will throw ints. if kept inside the hash marks. is arrington really history??? go 'skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 """And I love how you make it feel like it was the other teams fault for losing the game and not the Broncos' talent for winning the games.""" swap out "Broncos'" for Redskins...and you get our point towards the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpFake Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 the altitude is the likely determinant. if the skins are still in it in the 4th qtr, we have chance. defensive line depth- to keep plummer in the pocket- will be the key.he is not a pocket passer- in fact will throw ints. if kept inside the hash marks. is arrington really history???go 'skins Actually, Plummer has had a lot of success in the pocket this year. He also is hell on wheels with the Broncos staple 'bootleg'. His one soft spot so far this year has been over-throwing the deep ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Thts wat the Chargers thought, thts wat the Chiefs thought, and thts wat the Jags thought. Are u seeing a pattern?? The chargers D? The same chargers D that gave up 28 points to the boys? Hmmm. The KC D? The same KC D that got killed by the Eagles. The same KC secondary that had more WRs open than casinos in Las Vegas? Hell I have never seen so many yards seperate WRs from DBs in an NFL game. As for the Jags I have said it many times today. When a team turns the ball over (especially on its own half of the field) 4 times no way you can win. Hell I just saw also the stat of 15 penalties for over 100 yards..What are you kidding me? No team can overcome that especially a team with no offense. Yes if we turn the ball over 4 times and commit 115 yards worth of penalties not only you guys going to beat us but its going to be a douple digit margin of victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Actually, Plummer has had a lot of success in the pocket this year. He also is hell on wheels with the Broncos staple 'bootleg'. His one soft spot so far this year has been over-throwing the deep ball. Plummer only has success when he has a running game to lean on, so far when a game is put in his hands, it is usually fumbled. It will be a tight game because both defenses are good, but I'll take Brunell over Plummer anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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