CrazyZeb Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 For the Record: I know I have commented ALOT on this issue, so this will be my last thread(s) regarding it. Unless something else happens of course, though I doubt anything will... Can you take AJ with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Henry do yourself a favor and call Gibbs already. He's the one you don't agree with not us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 You DO realize that if you had made the same post for Ramsey, 6 of 9 would have been in red. Future pro-bowler, alright. Is Leftwich, Harrington, Carr, Palmer, Manning, etc. pro-bowlers?? Come on man, think outside the box. It takes TIME for a QB to succeed at a high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 Henry do yourself a favor and call Gibbs already. He's the one you don't agree with not us! Haha, Id love to talk to Gibbs. Though something tells me that wont happen :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyZeb Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Is Leftwich, Harrington, Carr, Palmer, Manning, etc. pro-bowlers?? Come on man, think outside the box. It takes TIME for a QB to succeed at a high level. Thinking outside the box = agreeing with what you think. I see. Leftwich, Palmer and Manning are a different class (age) and don't compare. Carr and Harrington were higher picks and better prospects, thus more of a chance... althought they're nearing the end. Ramsey is done as a Redskin. Learn to live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Well I suppose thats a positive spin you could put on it. Is it a good thing when your third best game warrants a low 70 rating?? Not in my book. And that's a negative spin when you note that 'third best' includes games from last year. I'm simply indicating that he's showing improvement over last year. Here's more positive spin for ya: Against Chicago Harrington put up a 36.4 passer rating. Orlovsky put up a 43.8. Ramsey put up a 49.4. Brunell put up a 70.5. Against Dallas Brees the pro-bowler posted a 65.1 passer rating. Brunell put up a 94.1. The Bears and Cowboys are 2-0 against their non-Redskin opponents. They are 0-2 against us. Clearly, you can say none of this means anything, as we've only played two games ... ... to which I will respond "exactly." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Welcome to last week. Go back and join your buds at the Cowboys forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 My point is that Brunell hindered this team so much last year that I cant bear to watch it again. A serviceable QB would have got us into the playoffs last season, I feel like a repeat is coming this season. your boy Ramsey isn't servicible at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpoch Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Is Leftwich, Harrington, Carr, Palmer, Manning, etc. pro-bowlers?? Come on man, think outside the box. It takes TIME for a QB to succeed at a high level. 1) Manning is in his second year. Ramsey is in his 4th 2) Palmer, so far, looks to be a Pro-Bowl caliber back 3) Put an O-line around Carr and then I'll judge his merits as a QB As for the others, harrington stinks. Leftwich isn't great, but a lot better than PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayCee Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 I've come to the conclusion that if the Skins would go 12-4 this season, win the NFC Championship game, then lose 28-27 in the Super Bowl all with Brunell at QB, the board would be full of threads started by 2 or 3 people right after the Super Bowl that would say that Ramsey would've have gone 15-1 and the Skins would've won the Bowl. Or better yet, if the Skins would win the Super Bowl 28-27, the threads would be, well if Ramsey had played the Skins would've won 45-27. :laugh: :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumsalot Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 I still think Patric Ramsey is the better QB. However, a win is a win and I'll give Brunnell the chance to prove he's the man. Of course I have no choice in the matter because I am not the coach! :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 A thread about Ramsey and Brunell. Very odd. *twighlight zone music* Footballhenry, what is more important to you: winning games or having your favorite player start? If you answer that question with the typical "Ramsey gives us the best chance to win" then I would steer you in the direction of our current record. I would also challenge you to look into the history of the Redskins coaching staff, mainly Joe Gibbs. You are not old enough to remember what it's like to win so a history lesson is definitely critical for you, but I am not gonna find the info. Just know that it's out there and since you speak about learning from the past I figured you might be receptive to taking your own advice. Either way these threads are getting rediculous. I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want a change in QB after we beat the Cowboys in their own house AND overcame some of our own demons in the passing game. This pro-Ramsey sentiment is not smart at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHUBAKAH Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Footballhenry, I sincerly hope you are good at what you do for a living. You have made it perfectly clear you know NOTHING, about the game of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 Keep the personal insults coming, it only makes me stronger and you weaker:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyZeb Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Keep the personal insults coming, it only makes me stronger and you weaker:) And you're rubber and they're glue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 And that's a negative spin when you note that 'third best' includes games from last year. I'm simply indicating that he's showing improvement over last year. Here's more positive spin for ya: Against Chicago Harrington put up a 36.4 passer rating. Orlovsky put up a 43.8. Ramsey put up a 49.4. Brunell put up a 70.5. Against Dallas Brees the pro-bowler posted a 65.1 passer rating. Brunell put up a 94.1. The Bears and Cowboys are 2-0 against their non-Redskin opponents. They are 0-2 against us. Clearly, you can say none of this means anything, as we've only played two games ... ... to which I will respond "exactly." To be honest, this is one of the best arguments I have heard on this board. My concern is that two weeks ago everyone (mostly everyone) had good things to say about Ramsey, but now hes become the worst QB in the NFL it seems. It just boggles my mind. If Brunell goes out and manages a good game against Seattle then maybe Ill start to turn, until then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 Oh, I mean hell. Dont you all remember one of the MODS (was it bubba?) saying that Ramsey would have a probowl year. Its just I think alot of progress was lost when we went with Brunell, and it was made evident in those 55 minutes. Now maybe the last 5 changed that, just maybe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willskins Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Wow. I knew that I shouldn't have clicked on this thread. How many threads can the same person post the same thing? Brunell is the starter...he helped win that game. Just listen to his team! Stop the madness, stop starting the same threads over and over and over and over and over... Sorry I came out of lurkage... but every time I see this username I know it is an anti-Brunell, Ramsey is King thread. :2cents: :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Sorry I came out of lurkage... I just wanted to quote you because I find the term "lurkage" hilarious. Should you have any other choice vocab, feel free to return from the lurker void with a post or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chree Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 look if ramsey had any confidence left after the past 3 years, its all shot to hell now anyway so he's out.... and if any of you say you saw anything good of brunell minus the two passes in the fourth quarter, youre all morons. brunell is just about the most painful quarterback to watch in the game. hes garbage. i think id rather watch heath shuler. hey pass to a guy thats five yards out thats gonna get nailed for no yards...seems like a good idea to brunell. i say play the future, put in jason campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 FH, I wanted Ramsey to be our starter. I thought switching to Brunell was a bad move. I still like Ramsey. That doesn't mean that Brunell is doing a bad job. We just beat a team we haven't really beaten in ten years. On the legs and arm of Brunell no less. You can like both. You can favor one and still be happy the other is doing the job. Really you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 My point is that Brunell hindered this team so much last year that I cant bear to watch it again. A serviceable QB would have got us into the playoffs last season, I feel like a repeat is coming this season. the coaches & players have said... they changed the playbook when they put ramsey in... putting mark at a disadvantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 FH, I wanted Ramsey to be our starter. I thought switching to Brunell was a bad move. I still like Ramsey.That doesn't mean that Brunell is doing a bad job. We just beat a team we haven't really beaten in ten years. On the legs and arm of Brunell no less. You can like both. You can favor one and still be happy the other is doing the job. Really you can. Im trying, I really am. Maybe Mark will come through and make me a believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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