Morrison J

Just now, DC9 said:

 

You're not going second tomorrow, even with the game in hand.

If only Leeds were doing that well! 

Just now, DC9 said:

Unlucky @Morrison J

 

THAT A BOY YOU ****ING REDS!!!!!

 

THAT'S HOW YOU ****ING FIGHT!

What has this got to do with me 

49 minutes ago, DC9 said:

@Morrison J So that wasn't a pen for you?

I see your argument but would've been soft for me. Far too theatrical. I also think if Dele Alli did that against you you'd be labelling him a cheat and baying for his blood to be fair!

You can add in Ireland and Australia to the list of countries where most call it soccer too. 

Just now, DC9 said:

 

The way you word that, according to the rulebook, is interesting.

 

So is it then fair to say the flag is usually up?

 

There is massive potential of two epiphanies in one week, here.

Flag does often shoot up quicker than it should yeah. Seen it many times. 

I said all along that Liverpool were unlucky to have all the big decisions go against them. By the letter of the law they got the offside 100% correct though so I don't see how one can blame the ref/linesman for doing their jobs correctly. There's no epiphanies, I'm being consistent with what I've said all along with everything. 

I thought I was being very fair throughout that whole discussion to be honest, you guys just didn't see it that way. 

3 minutes ago, DC9 said:

 

I have a question... a ball is played off the wing to a player in the box who is offside.

 

While it's coming across... the defender swings at it and gets a nick. 

 

Is that play now onside?

According to the rulebook he's then onside yes. 

7 hours ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

 

You asked, so I looked as it's only 11 or so pages back. You spent 3/4 pages arguing the correct decision had been made. And before you try flip that into the non-offside call as you vainly went on to below, if the correct decision, in your view and by the view of the selective 'experts' you put up was correct, then you're saying the penalty call was correct too as that was the ultimate decision. Saying it's a close call/ dubious. L'pool were unlucky BUT it\s the correct decision is as contradictory as it get's. 

Not sure what I'm missing here. Any time I said the correct decision was made it was in the context of the offside part of the decision. I'm still genuinely not even 100% sure about the Kane dive part as it's not a clear call. Every call in football isn't plain black and white unfortunately. My summary though was that Liverpool were very unlucky to have so many close calls not go their way. I stick by that. Let it go GHH.

41 minutes ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

Unless the player in question is called Harry Kane. 

 

Hail. 

I'm not getting into another mad debate but I called the Kane penalty decision harsh at the time if you read back.  

Just now, DC9 said:

 

That's a big step, Morrison. 

Ah I'd never defend blatant diving to be fair. 

4 minutes ago, Berggy9598 said:

That was actually pretty mild for him doesn't even make his top 3 dives. 

Yeah it's every game now really he does something. England international's always get preferential treatment when it comes to these things which isn't right. 

6 hours ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

Hey Morrison. Come defend this one .....

 

****ing little rat is at it again. But he’s part the England great hopes so **** all be done. Tottenham, and their ****house manager who condones it, are a disgrace.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheBeardedRauI/status/967757387665899520/video/1

 

Hail.

 

 

 

Video isn't working but I presume it's the Ali dive from earlier. Terrible dive I agree 100%. He should be punished at this stage no doubt. 

This puts it to bed anyway. Decision was the correct one even if they made a bit of a balls of the process in giving it. Wonder if Klopp will come out and apologise for not knowing the rules of the game and wrongly calling the referee inadequate.

4 minutes ago, DC9 said:

 

If you go to Mo's first goal where Michael "The Spine" Dier plays it back to Lloris, that is deliberatley playing the ball.

 

Deliberately ATTEMPTING to play the ball isn't in the rule you've provided.

Hopefully this clears it up: 

17 minutes ago, Elessar78 said:

Ex-refs are divided on whether the touch meant anything. 

 

To ME: the touch itself didn't. It was whether he made a deliberate action. Lovren attempting to kick at the ball, to ME, is a deliberate act. 

 

Clattenburg says that that's not enough. I can abide by that because he (was) at that pay grade. 

 

It's interesting because young ARs don't make calls like that normally. These are "career" calls—could lose his prem. assignments if his reviewers don't agree with the actions. I think we all kinda go mental when ARs act like garden gnomes out there and don't signal for big calls because they don't want to be seen as affecting the outcome of games. 

 

 

 

 

That's the rule according to the book so I don't see Clattenburg's argument to be honest. These rules are made in order to give the benefit to the attacking team and that's exactly what happened. "Deliberate" means any attempt to play the ball that results in a touch. 

The mere fact that it causes so much debate means Liverpool were pretty unfortunate to come out the wrong end of it to be fair. I do think the correct decision overall was probably made though.

Yeah I respect the linesman for putting himself out there to be honest too. Most would shirk from the responsibility in that position. 

9 minutes ago, Elessar78 said:

Penalty 1. 

Moss: Asks "Martin" if he saw Lovren touch the ball on TV/Video. He pauses for a second, listening in ear piece. Then says "I'm giving the penalty". All Martin (Atkinson?) had to say was yes or no, doesn't seem like Moss acted unilaterally (I feel like giving a penalty here for no reason).

This kind of rational thinking isn't allowed on here I'm afraid. The pitchforks will be out for you soon too.

At the end of the day, Lovren played the ball so the correct decision was 100% made there. Kane couldn't have been offside by the rules of the game. I do think the actual penalty decision (Karius' foul) was dubious enough. Kane was definitely looking for the contact. Not a straightforward call by any means though.

I've never known such a hostile thread where people takes themselves so seriously 

I've said absolutely nothing outrageous here. If I have please point out what it is. 

You're Liverpool fans so obviously you have an agenda. Maybe take a deep breath, read over my posts again and realise what I'm saying is actually completely fair. If it wasn't then I wouldn't have every pundit under the sun agreeing with me I reckon.

11 hours ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

 

But Leeds 'experts' know all let's not forget. And don't, that's DON'T, have any agenda. No Sir. They're just poor picked on trolls, uhmmmmm, 'genuine, fair-minded posters' who get insulted for no apparent reason. 

 

Hail. 

 

 

Dunno what world you're living in but getting called a **** is generally said to be an insult. Note how the petty insults only come from one side of the argument too (not mine). 

As always you're both overreacting and getting annoyed over very little. I said Liverpool were unfortunate to have all the decisions go against them but apparently that somehow feeds to my "agenda". I give up 

7 minutes ago, DC9 said:

 

I was curious to see where he took us as a "neutral" who doesn't even like Spurs.  Really defended the rabbit hole with all his worth.

Since the neutrals are agreeing with me maybe ye should take a look at yourselves 

I dunno what part of me saying Liverpool were unlucky to concede all the decision they did feeds to my apparent agenda but anyway....you guys always read what you want to read I suppose.

Anyway I waste far too much energy defending myself from insults on here. I'll leave ye at it for the time being and enjoy my Sunday night!

You look at it here (the linesmans view) and it looks a blatant pen. 

Then you look at it from this view at it looks awfully harsh. 

Just one of those calls. Very tough to say for certain. 

Liverpool very unfortunate to come out the worse in all the big ones though for sure.

Just now, DC9 said:

 

The lino said the first pen was offside, then Moss didn't take his advice and gave the pen.

 

Moss waived off the second pen and let play go on for about 5 seconds, then gave it taking the lino's advice.

 

It's a ****ing mess.

 

No one gets two narrow decisions like that - especially after two separate dives where only one card was given.

 

You're not a villian, you're a ****.

 

Have the last word I'm on to hockey for the day.

 

 

The linesman said the first pen was offside if Lovren didn't play it. The ref (who had the better view of it) correctly said that Lovren did play it. 

For the second penalty the linesman (who had the better view of it) said it was a pen. I thought it was harsh enough myself but I can see why he gave it. 

There isn't an exact formula between who gives the decision. The ref has the final say but surely it's whoever see's it best that should call it which is exactly what happened. Don't see the issue myself. 

Lovely words as always! Hopefully makes you feel better about yourself 

17 minutes ago, DC9 said:

 

Ok, so they didn't agree with the pens then. Hahaha.  Super troll.

 

The flag should've gone up - it doesn't matter if he played the ball or not.

 

That's basic **** you know this.

How do you come to that conclusion? They both agreed that both were pens. 

Dermot Gallagher (Ex Prem Referee) also brought on to the show and said every decision was spot on. 

I said in my first post that I thought they were close calls. Most days Spurs probably don't get them all to go there way but today they did. It is what it is. A draw was a fair result overall. Dunno why I'm the villain here. 

Just now, DC9 said:

 

For both?

Both said Spurs deserved a draw, both said Lovren played the ball for the first penalty so wasn't offside. 

5 minutes ago, DC9 said:

 

Amazing how all of the world is saying neither one of those was a pen... except you and the Tories in North London.

Carragher and Souness on Sky are agreeing with me for the record!

God how I love how amicable this thread is. 

2 minutes ago, DC9 said:

 

Predictable....

Don't think I said anything wrong..