NeverSurrender

49 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

The entire makeup of the game would be different with Wentz, which is the point of my post.  It’s pointless to suggest that X player would have done this or that, but since you are a big “Wentz would’ve collapsed while tying his shoes” every other post guy I can see why you couldn’t just scroll past my post.

The pressure from their Dline would not have been different my guy. I liked the Wentz pick up at the time but man you gotta admit the guy was awful and could not avoid pressure. 

1 hour ago, Stadium-Armory said:

Keith Ismael is on the 49ers practice squad.

That means we can sign him to the active roster.

3 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

This whole ‘Wentz would’ve’ game that gets played every week is just bad posting.  But what should I expect from a forum where folks still “Cousins would’ve threw a pick” in the 2022 gameday threads? 😭

 

You cant just insert guys into plays as if everything transpires exactly the same.  As if every playcall and action by every player is exactly the same.

 

And again, I believe Ron has no choice but to cross his fingers and continue to roll with TH.  I could care less if we ever see Wentz play another down here.  Just calling a spade a spade.

Then call the spade.  Tell us how many sacks you think Wentz takes in the Giants game?  If you look closely you might see the forrest through all those trees.

I swear the pocket looked much cleaner on that drive then it has all day.

I’m screaming for us to run a draw there and ofc a sack and a long field goal miss…

Wentz takes a sack there boys

Just now, Voice_of_Reason said:

No, it's Turner's for not calling the perfect play.

 

 

Yeah running it two time there would be perfect.

3 hours ago, Peregrine said:

If they are blitzing a lot, there wont be triple coverage, there will be single coverage. I think if one were ever to do YOLO balls it would be way better under a heavy blitz than a 3 man rush.

I dont think you beat TH by blitzing.  I kinda hope they do blitz.  If they sit back in zone but play the short stuff well then there may be an issue. 

6 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Just because I don't think Heinicke is a good NFL QB doesn't mean I'd want to give up a huge contract for a guy who's a slight upgrade. He'll probably be the only decent QB to hit the FA market so someone will undoubtedly overpay drastically for him in the desperate (and probably foolish) hope that he'll be the final piece they need.

 

 

Smart teams. Because they know Jimmy G is incredibly unlikely to put their team over the top. He's been carried by great supporting casts and defenses for his entire career.

 

Is it really worth it to give a huge contract to a QB who will require a great supporting cast on offense and a great defense in order to do anything of note? Are we really going to bank on the same game plan we're using today working for the next 3 seasons?

 

The Niners are an anomaly because they've somehow managed to keep a great supporting cast for many years. Having the best offensive mind in the NFL also helps a ton with that. They're the exception, not the rule. 

I really think the 49ers are a SB contender, so having said that.  Does everyone here think Jimmy will hit the market next year if they win it? The other guy is still on his rookie deal right?

53 minutes ago, CommanderCarson said:

No one is ignoring the fact that the roster has evolved this year and that we are only winning games because of heineke, no one is saying that and if they are please direct me to where those posts exist.

 

I even acknowledged in my post that Wentz holds the running game back, which is part of what you are referencing would be a crux for Wentz if he came back in! There’s a reason the style of offense we run right now is not very conducive to Wentz being behind center. We are routinely picking 3 and 4 yards up every play, leaving the run game available…most every play. That’s a huge reason why we feature Robinson so much and it works to not be explosive on offense. Outside of the bad and random Heineke weekly pick, he doesn’t really take negative yards or sacks, which are typically far more damaging plays.  Heineke taking 3 sacks in 6 games vs Wentz taking that in a single game is not a result of the offensive line suddenly growing super powers mid year or because heineke is working with the far superior supporting cast. I mean Dotson and Cosmi both missed a lot of time recently with Keineke under center and Wentz had both surrounding him. Acting like Heineke is running with an A+ squad vs Wentz is disingenuous. Nick Martin sucked, but so did Carson Wentz. And I was cool with trading for Wentz, it made sense to me. But call a spade a spade my man. 
 

Also, please stop setting up future hypotheticals so you can claim you were right in the future. You were wildly wrong on Heineke being a viable starter that could win games with any NFL team after the last few games last year, take the loss and move on. 

They just cant stand it man.  

9 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Yes timing is important broski and having a stronger arm cuts down on the time needed to get the ball there. 

Being on time helps much more.  As previously stated, TH has the arm to make this throw its almost irrelevant.  If you want to compile all a video of all the 65+ yard passes and deep outs that Wentz has thrown in his career then we can watch that. We all know TH does not have a great or even good arm.  I know you REALLY want to keep bringing it up but its not the reason he misses on every throw.  I dont think its helping the quality of your posts  to keep bringing it up.....Broski

Just now, Koolblue13 said:

You don't need sneakers to run a marathon, but it certainly helps.

There playing football broski.  How did the Wentz cannon help on that 1 yard INT pass posted above? Its a timing route all the way.  

2 hours ago, mhd24 said:

 

 

Carson makes this throw easily.

a lot of qbs can make that throw, TH was just late on it.  You dont need a cannon to make this throw, you just need to be on time. 

3 minutes ago, CommanderCarson said:

I don’t know how you read the article above, and for that matter even watch Wentz earlier in the year, and come away with the conclusion “he has more potential.” He’s got a bigger arm and is taller and that’s about what he has going for him. 
 

Wentz just isn’t right. It looks mental almost, he was playing like it’s his last starting job ever. He would routinely lead the team to 0 points in the first half! That’s mentally draining on a defense, how does no one understand that?! And a lot of the reason we wouldnt score first half points is because Wentz would take back breaking sacks and huge negative plays that renders the run game useless and makes you one dimensional. And when you run like the tin man that’s not a good combo.

 

Its like you only remember the few glamor throws and that his bulk stats are better (because he threw it way more a game) and so he’s the more “prolific” passer. Look at their advanced stats, almost identical and some in favor of Heineke.

 

Like the article points out, we aren’t necessarily winning with awesome QB play. But Taylor’s style of play, ability to avoid sacks, and make plays here or there is helping to win THIS team games. And it’s because we have an incredible defense and running game, which is almost as hard to build as finding one of those elite QBs. But just as dangerous when it comes to competing late in January. The Seahawks in Russell’s early days come to mind, 49ers a couple years back, Ravens back in 2012, etc. Titans have gotten somewhat close with that style as well.

 

Putting Wentz back in and losing a couple games due to back breaking negative plays would be so Washington Football. 

Well said sir. That is all.

Just now, mh86 said:

He’s not completely wrong, but at the end of the day the QB has to take what’s given to them. if he’s not throwing to open players or picking up 5-10 on the ground, then he’s leaving a lot on the field. Things like Field goal opportunities, drive extensions, and additional points.

100% agree, I think thats part of the learning process as well.  We might see TH recognize that he needs to run a bit sooner.  But if he is actually hurt then im not sure its a good idea. 

1 minute ago, mh86 said:

Because back or someone told him to not run or he’s conserving his body so he doesn’t get injured or because he’s trying to prove something or…. There’s no excuse to be honest. He just isn’t who t people thought he was back when they initially fought for him and claimed he could be a dual threat. He doesn’t take off and run for [insert reason]. If it was any other QB it would be because they’re holding onto the ball waiting for something to happen, which is exactly what he’s doing. There’s nothing wrong with that, but he’s not Allen, Watson, Jackson, or whichever QB we want to use as an example. If he would just stop overthinking plays and use his legs more, we would be a much more efficient offense. Unfortunately he doesn’t and that’s ultimately on him.

Troy Aikman talked about this last night a bit during the Monday night game as Pickett was having a pretty nice night.  He was basically saying that the more reps a QB gets, the more the game slows down and qbs that dont have as much playing time just take off much quicker because there not sure about what they are seeing and every thing is a blur.  Aikman even brought up that fans seem to want qbs to keep running because it was effective however, its good for the development of the qb for the game to slow down.   

13 minutes ago, srtman04 said:

 

Yeah, ONLY for that throw....then take him back out again immediately.  

Lets be honest, he probably takes a sack there, lets just put Mahomes in!

2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Yeah, I disagree. I think he saw 3 and thought he had enough loft on it to get it over him. Instead he threw it 5 yards in front of the receiver and to his back foot. 

Ohh yeah TH sucks, thats plausible too.  Wentz probably throws a dime for the TD.  Can we please put Wentz in!! 

3 hours ago, KDawg said:

 

I can tell you WHY Heinicke made the decision.

 

He thought his arm strength was better than it is and he was going to put it over the top of 54 and 3 but he underthrew it into a triple coverage situation with two trails and one over.

 

It was a bad decision to throw to triple, over belief in his arm strength.

I think its 2 possible reasons for the throw.  (im not defending the decision, it was a bad decision) but I have been trying to understand this one.  

1) its possible TH didnt see #3 as both Larson and Norwell were right in the lane for a second so hey may not even have seen him. (this is not and excuse, its a possibility)

2) He did see #3 and thought he would drop and get Gibson coming out of the back field.

It looks like TH is trying to manipulate the secondary with his eyes here but it failed.  Terry is running a square in and teams are looking for that.  TH dosent turn his head that way at all just has eyes straight ahead possibly trying to hold the deep safety.  Either way bad decision, bad throw.  You live and learn.

How about we re-brand to the name of the mad who has single handily put this franchise on his back and turned us into a winner.  Yes my friends.... lets be the Washington Heinicke's!!!! 

6 hours ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said:

Why did Atlanta succeed in gashing the D running the ball...was it;

1) Their OL scheme was something we more than expected?

2) Our LB's weren't filling the gaps well. (KDAWG saw no "duds" here??).

3) Their backs were better than our previous opponents in the winning streak

 

How would we stop a repeat of this with Barkley and Elliot...

 

Got me worried our D has been exposed some.

 

 

They were pushingus off the line by 5 or more yards at times.  I think they were doubling Payne and Allen and LBs were getting blocked by TEs.  We immediately added Ridgeway back into the mix but it didnt seem to help much.  We didnt get off blocks or hold our ground.  

2 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

You don’t say?  First I’ve heard or noticed that.  It’s not as if the Henicke guys have been on constant loop repeating this over and over again.

 

I’ve said it numerous times now, Heinicke can’t be benched and there’s never been a reason to risk a 2nd round pick by playing Wentz.  But some of you guys are so rabid in hatred for Wentz  and/or love of Taylor, you are really disingenuous.  The OL is healthier now, Robinson returned and has his legs, and the defense made adjustments that have proven very positive.  I could care less about Wentz, and there is no way I’d risk the mojo by going with him until the Heiny hype dies.  Even then, if that’s at a point there is no chance of playoffs I’d go with Howell.  
 

But this offense is entirely different with Heinicke, it’s not even remotely close to what they deployed for Wentz.  Added protection, healthier and beyond loyal to running the ball.  

Yeah but if TH took 9 sacks in a game I think you might change your tune a bit.  I know I would. 

Also: what it we reinsert Wentz and he starts taking sacks again, we went 2 entire halfs of football without scoring a point with Wentz.  I have to preface (I wasnt a Wentz hater) I was ok with the move and genuinely rooting for him.  We can say the oline is playing better but is that really a coincidence?  There not healthy either center is a back up same with right guard and right tackle. The guys playing might not be hurt but we certainly arent at full strength.  Bottom line is you cant take sacks, Carson was really struggling with sliding in the pocket and anticipating/feeling the pressure in the pocket. TH has very good pocket awareness and is elusive, hard to sack.

I do hope Howell comes in ready to be the guy next year.  He could literally take that spot and run with it, I would love to be in his position right now. 

1 minute ago, BleedBNG said:

I thought the ball hit the ground on Fuller

Not even close bro.  That was a clean int.

2 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

and Bates on offense. I want to watch the game again and see who on the line stood out, but Bates was wrecking people all day tody. That guy is so fun to watch.

I though Turner was making some good blocks too.

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

The reason we’re winning is because we have mediocre qb play.  Put Wentz in and we go back to horrid qb play.  You can really spin this either way.