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Maybe they will save some money and hold back on Signing a big name LB this year and instead get one or two from the bargain bin then plan on draft zaven. The one thing the D-line needed a little help with at times was straight up the middle, Collins is exactly the beef they need there.

ju ju 4 years 70 million sherff 4 years 70 million Darby 2 years 23 million Then 4 or 5 bargain bin guys on short deals maybe a bargain vet qb. draft zaven collins in the first or cox in the second. BPA with the other 1st or 2nd slot guy in the 3rd or 4th RB in the 3rd or 4th OL 4th or 5th QB in 4th or 5th BPA the rest. Edit: If it is possible to get mac jones without having to trade up more then a few spots, I think they should do it. I would be happy with an offseason like this.

I am hoping for Ju Ju more then anybody else. He seems to be flying a little under the radar but I love his game. He has a good combination of speed and power is dangerous at the LOS and going deep. Also physical without the ball. Seems like the a good fit here and the type of guy the WFT wants to build around. dynamic guys that can beat you without great qb play.

This would be the smart play if they cant get one of the top tier WR's without overpaying. Get a mid level vet or 2 on one year deals then draft a guy or two and let them all compete. WFT needs to avoid long terms deals for wr2 unless it is for a stud because its likely they will want to upgrade that position in the draft and save money to pay terry.

Experience is important but with some guys not having it is more impressive then having it. Someone like Jones who is already super polished after only one full year of starting translates to potential while others situations might translate more to risk. Like Simms said, Jones is not a project, he is already there. Jones also ran scout team for a year or two against saban's first string. That has got to be a pretty great learning environment.

I cant see how jones goes past all those qb hungry teams ahead of us. QB market is way too dry and Jones is way too good of an investment on a rookie deal. I hope I am wrong though.

Doesn't surprise me at all. Waddle and Smith highlight reels are full of him reading defenses, manipulating coverage and dropping dimes. He seems to be a real likeable guy as well. I would bet Saban would say it too if you got him in private. Great take. I say the same things when i watch his game. "hes soo good" Operational mechanics are a good description of it. His operation mechanics are the best i have seen.

The NFL has a serious quality QB shortage and its creating a vacuum. You got lots of mediocre guys making 20-30 million a year and everyone is still fighting over them. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the draft but you would think that teams are going to be a lot more aggressive drafting the position. Even an average qb at a rookie salary is a pretty damn attractive option for many teams. High floor guys might be going at a premium and a guy like mac jones who might be the most nfl ready of them all, might go top 10. He does so many things well on and off the field, that its hard to see him busting completely. This might look like a pretty smart investment to a qb hungry team in this environment.

Also, they both have the same type of iconic poor physique photo. You do the math.

Sign a vet, or trade for one with minimal assets if its worth it. Also draft a guy. I like Jones so if he falls to our pick and they like him, great. If they dont or he doesnt then BPA or trade back and draft a qb later. I like Trask too, he is a lot like Jones. A little slower in the pocket and less polished but tougher and used to more pressure. Roll into 2021with Heinicke, vet and rookie and keep Allen hidden of the PUP. QB's are dropping like flies for this team, they need a lot of redundancy to ensure they can remain competitive late in the season. This is why, no matter how good Allen or Heinicke might be compared to who they pick up, its more about insurance then improvement. When this defense continue to improve, and I think it will, the number one priority will be ensuring adequate QB play down the stretch. Getting a franchise guy would be great and I hope they have a plan for that, but not being extremely cautious regarding the QB position, could be catastrophic. Something tells me the defense was not happy with QB play last year, if you have another year like that, where all they need is an average offense to win, and you cant manage it, you could start to lose the team.

3 might not even cut it. We might need 4 to make it all the way through the season.

You are right about that. There are clear underthrows on some of the real deep shots. That limitation is there. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out on draft day. How the NFL values these things. I still think he goes high. Teams are desperate for any above average qb play. Jones is very NFL ready, and with a rookie deal, is not a bad play in the mid first round. Not a bad play for the WFT either IMO. This draft is going to be very entertaining this year. A lot of good position groups in the first round with no real consensus on order.

I saw that too but I think this is just smart play most of the time. If your guy is that wide open you play it safe on those throws and just put it out there where you know he can catch it. Something that I wish some of the WFT QB's would have done more of. So many overthrows over the years. When you see those wide open throws, look at Jones right after the snap. Sometimes he does just go right to a wide open Smith but a lot of times he is looking off safety coverage too. He does this often and well.

Those anomalies are worth noting, but to get a better answer, you would eventually have to watch the cutups. From what I can see, Jones cycles through reads very quickly and its hard to even tell sometimes whether he is going from primary to secondary reads or whether he is just looking off defenders for the primary reads. This is one of his strongest traits IMO. He is very smooth and consistent looking through reads and looking off defenders or pump faking them. Many plays that he goes to Smith he is looking off other guys or cycling through reads quickly and you have to look close to see it. If i had to guess an answer to why Smith, even being dominant as he is, got the lions share of receptions, it would be a combination of good Alabama scheme and very good qb play. Jones consistently got Smith the ball in stride in the short game, looked defenders off of his double teams, and threw him open when he seemed covered. They played good teams that were certainly focused on stopping Smith, but never could. This is a pro to Jones and Smith IMO. He didn't need to spread it around. Jones was that good and their scheme/qb play fed him the ball. That is what I see at least.

That is a good question. Another one could be, how much of Smith's highlight reel is from good passes from Jones? To be fair Smith probably would be amazing with a lot of Qb's, he is that good, but when I watch a lot of those plays it looks like a little bit of both to me. I see a dominant receiver getting consistently well delivered balls. This is especially apparent in the short game where Jones quick release and excellent touch makes Smith all the more deadly. When I wonder what It would it would look like if a great QB and great WR were able to play together on a dominant team, I look at the season Smith and Alabama had, and think....thats probably what it looks like.

I agree those top 4 guys can all beat you with their legs and arm and that makes your floor pretty high. Fields and Lance for example, could come in and run a relatively simplistic offense and still be highly effective. As far as Jones and Cousins, yea they are good comparison. Jones has touch on his ball that I never really saw from Cousins and his short passing game is especially impressive. Better intangibles too, leadership decision making. But we will see. They are similar. Jones is similar to a lot of guys who didn't even make it to Cousins level, so I can understand the doubt.

I am no expert but I see a lot of the same things when I watch Jones. He is really smooth at looking off defenders and cycling through reads. He also has a pretty vicious pump fake. His processing is good, has a very quick delivery, throws with anticipation, and delivers many of his passes with an elite touch both long and short. Granted he is throwing to wide open guys most of the time, but the touch and accuracy is easy to see. Its special IMO. It is a shame there are limitation on arm strength but there is still a lot to work with. He is also very smooth in the pocket. He is not highly mobile but he has a very fast shuffle and is decisive when he moves. This is the biggest difference between him and Trask IMO. Jones really stays balanced when he moves and is looking downfield and can throw with accuracy. From what I see he can throw off platform and on the move with some no-look level stuff Love these traits transferring to the next level. He has so many skills that are already NFL quality. If you go back to his first game as a starter he was already doing these things at a high level. Very impressive for a guy who has only played 24 games. What will he look like in 4 years? Drew Brees? Possibly. Obviously I am pretty impressed with him but I can understand why others are not. There are some things he will never be able to do and that limits him. I think his floor is very high and ceiling higher then some think. A very good investment for the WFT.

Hold on to the first pick and do whatever it takes to get lance or jones if they slip far enough to make it possible to trade up. Jones will go top 15 I think, he really is that good. People are finding out and I hope the WFT is in big on him.

Congrats to Taylor. The thing I like about Taylor, and maybe the WFT is thinking the same thing, is that he is more then just mobile. He actually has speed that can be a weapon. If he cant replicate the level of passing that he showed in the playoffs, he will always have that to fall back on. How long he can stay healthy running the ball in the NFL is questionable but that aspect of his game appears to be reliable and effective. The WFT really needs a guy that can make plays with his feet on the roster.

Exactly, SF is the model that many in the league are trying to emulate and that many qb's in the league are probably dying to play for. Sometimes if you build it strong enough, that guy you really want at QB will find you. After hearing rumblings from Seattle about Wilson not being happy, you cant help but wonder what team with a soild roster he might be fantasizing about and how some lucky team might be able to aquire him.

Dear Santa, I know Micah Parsons has been naughty but can you check that list twice and see if he has been just naughty enough to slide to the WFT and just nice enough to still be draftable??

Look at teams like the 49 ers rams and Tampa Teams that built solid rosters but had middling qb's. They had some consistent success because of those rosters but based upon the logic that I hear being used here, they should have been stuck in above average mediocrity due to them drafting high every year but not having the qb to be perennial contenders for the super bowl. But now all of a sudden, the rams have their guy and the 49ers had a couple injuries and had a down year, and are drafting low enough to maybe trade up to get their guy or they could still trade for a veteran with that high draft pick. Maybe next year some elite guy will refuse to resign with his team and walk over to san fran as a free agent just to win. Kind of like what happened with Brady and that solid team that TB built, which also should have been stuck in above average mediocrity. Point being that you can build a solid roster and even if you probably wont be drafting high enough to get that elite qb every year, you never know what will happen, opportunity can come, and when it does you will be in a position to take advantage of it. Not only that but solid rosters give any qb that might be taken their best chance to succeed. The superbowl was a perfect example of Qb play versus team play and why it matters. KC had an elite qb and elite weapons but could not even score a touchdown. Why? I watched that game again and it was not the bucs linebackers that won it, even though they were awesome. It was the lack of two offensive tackles. That dynasty level KC roster was totally inept without them. IT was a jailbreak on every play and mahomes was helpless.

It seems like a waste of time to keep trying to make the argument that the WFT needs a top QB to be a top contender every year and that anyone that advocates for something other then this is missing some point. Whether your a team first guy or a qb first guy, I think almost everyone agrees we want a top qb ASAP. But how soon is possilbe? They do not have the ammo to compete with other teams looking to trade up or the ammo to trade for a guy like Watson, who may not even be available. What choice do they have but to find the best QB possible with the resources they have, without giving up something ridiculous? Why is the acknowledgment of this reality somehow translated into acceptance of mediocrity?...its not. I think if you are going to make the "franchise qb or bust" argument you should have to back it up with a specific move that the WFT should make to accomplish it, including compensation, because I dont see how its likely, even though I hope I am wrong. It also seems like a waste of time to keep using the argument that going after an average QB is pointless because its not an upgrade over heinicke or allen. It is not about ability with those guys as much as health. There is no way Rivera can feel comfortable going into this season with Allen, Smith, and Heinicke. No matter how good they are. Even if he had two Heinicke's I would be concerned with making it through the season. I still am really pulling for him to come out big next year but only with a backup plan. Riveras number one priority is that the WFT has a guy they can rely on to make it through the season, and deliver average, if not good, QB play. Otherwise he is taking a huge risk that he wastes another year of increasingly epic defense with a stable full of good QB's that cant stay healthy. If he has to pull some guy off the street again in a playoff hunt it will be worst case scenario for the coaching staff. If you feel all of this average qb talk is pointless to discuss because the WFT needs a top ten guy to really compete, please circle back to the first paragraph

I was thinking along those same lines but then I thought about it from their perspective and I think they are more worried about just having healthy guys that can give them the same level of play as Allen and Heinicke at a minimum. Ideally they would probably like to upgrade over those two but I think first priority is to avoid the nightmare scenario that worries them the most. That scenario is being in the thick of the playoff hunt next year with a defense that is becoming Elite and not even being able to field an average QB because of injury or circumstance. They must have someone reliable and healthy available or else they could be royally screwed and no matter how good Allen or Heinicke could be they are not reliable enough to feel comfortable there. They might need to put Allen on PUP and have Heinicke a vet and a draft pick to feel comfortable in this regard.

It is interesting because it would seem like there could be a whole lot more players available when teams have to cut players to get under this cap. Who are some guys that are likely to get cut that the WFT would be interested in? Maybe the best strategy in a year like this is to not go after anybody initially unless they are in love, and wait to see who is left in the market after the dust settles. Could be a discount free for all for any teams with the space left to sign some of these guys.