Califan007 The Constipated

I thought you were gonna say it was AI lol...

Who are these people?? lol...

Adding to what others have said...I think I've voted in a primary one time. That's it. I think I skipped a general election vote one time. That's it. People are not motivated to vote in primaries where they already know what the result will be whether they vote or not...it's exactly the reason why higher ups in the GOP were wringing their hands over Trump's continuous declarations of rigged elections: they felt it would suppress the vote for Republicans if Trump basically kept telling the base that their votes don't count because it's all rigged anyway. That's kinda what is most likely happening with Dem primaries--voters know who is gonna win it, so their vote doesn't really matter at all...it won't change anything. Right now, Repub voters are motivated to vote in primaries, and that's to either show support for their "dear leader" Trump or to use their vote to protest against him. There's nothing like that motivating voters for the Dem primaries.

Liberals, huh?...

Were you the guy getting all mushy over George Michael? lol...That was you, right? And the RR HOF isn't about what any of us personally like in music...that's why I'm able to present arguments for and against artists regardless of how I personally feel about their music. And, for the record, Jukebox Hero is some lame-ass songwriting lol (I know you didn't bring it up). If that's the type of music anyone likes once they take the corn cobs out of their ears, then I'm inserting about 12 more cobs in each ear.

Cher is more iconic for her personality and overall celebrity than for her music. She had a few iconic songs, but a ton of musical artists have had iconic songs. And I'm not sure anyone can make a valid argument that Mariah Carey is not also iconic. I went looking for reasons why Cher was influential in the music bidniss, and came across an article in Billboard magazine. I mean, that should be as legit a publication for this exercise as they come. The article, though, left me unimpressed. It tried putting Cher in the same category as David Bowie in terms of androgyny because...well, she had a deep voice on "I Got You Babe" lol. The article also claimed Cher paraded around in androgynous fashions and outfits during the 70s, which I'm guessing they said that because she wore pants?...Patti Smith was the epitome of androgynous women singers in the 70s, as where Cher had zero qualms about showing off her body during that time. Patti and Bowie should be mentioned together, not Bowie and Cher. Not to mention, Grace ****ing Jones lol...she surpassed Cher in terms of androgynous fashions and hell, perhaps even surpassed David Bowie. The article further mentions her star power on stage and on the screen. For the RR HOF I don't think star power in movies should play any role, especially when those movie rolls have nothing whatsoever to do with music. The article also says, almost apologetically, "Cher did not, admittedly, pioneer musical genres or take lyrics to new poetic heights." Those tend to be important here. I don't think Mariah Carey did, either, for that matter lol...but while Cher did sell 140 million records, Mariah Carey has sold 220 million records. And Mariah's talent--vocally anyway--eclipses Cher's. Hell, Cher unleashed AutoTune onto the world with "Believe" lol. Further, Cher had either 4 or 5 number one hits, which is impressive...although apparently she didn't like half of them lol, those hits were written for her. By contrast, Mariah Carey has had 19 number one hits...far more than Cher...and wrote or co-wrote 18 of them. So MC comes out on top in terms of singing talent, songwriting ability, record sales, and number one hits. What could possibly make anyone think it's laughable that Mariah Carey might be more deserving of the HOF than Cher?

You're making the mistake of thinking you have to be one or the other (either New Wave or Alternative Rock). There's a lot of overlap. And the idea that the music we now call "rock and roll" didn't exist until we called it rock and roll is laughable lol...there's no way you believe that. And for the record, Chuck Berry's first song was recorded in 1955...four years after the term "rock and roll" was first coined. And it was coined because--wait for it--there was music already being recorded and played that fit that description long before Chuck Berry came along. Hell, he was inspired and influenced by it. So by your own logic, rock and roll existed before Chuck Berry because someone named the genre lol...and by my logic the founders of Rock and Roll came onto the scene before he did. At most, you could say he popularized it, made it even more mainstream. But that doesn't mean he founded the genre. The only argument you can make--for both Berry and JA--is to say rock and roll and alternative rock were both established over the decades...but that's not what you've been saying.

Why did they vote for her to begin with? lol...I don't understand Colorado at all.

I'm sorry, what?...I couldn't hear you over the sound of her boobs...

This is a bit like saying rock and roll music didn't exist before a DJ called it "rock and roll" lol... But apparently from my admittedly flimsy Google search just now, the term "Alternative music" was being used in 1979 for this stuff. But I do remember the Talking Heads being called "alternative" when I started college in 1981...so there lol.

I wanna know if the SC ruiling means each individual state is allowed to keep Congress members from their state off the ballots if it's determined that they participated in insurrection...because if so...

(and, yes, that really is me lol) You could trace Alternative rock back to the 60s, at least its influences. The 70s, though, are when I got heavy into music so that's as far back as my mind will allow me to go lol...

Did you notice he never said WHAT they were the founding fathers of? lol...Hence, why I asked. And Alt Rock was started in the late 70s, before Jane's Addiction was even formed (had to look up when they were formed lol...but I knew it wasn't the 70s). I'm hoping you're not thinking Alternative Rock wasn't started until the 90s. If by "greatness" you mean "A bit above average for the most part," then yeah lol...

I like how you think I haven't heard any of those songs before lol...

Founding member of what? (I'll take your word on the rest of what you said lol)

My thought exactly, except with far stronger terminology lol...

Sheeeeeeet, I stare like Ellie and Riley did in The Last Of Us lol...

What the hell are you talking about? lol... And I can't think of a single reason why Foreigner "should" be in the HOF. What exactly did they do that was any different from dozens of other acts out there that aren't in--or have never even been nominated for--the HOF? The only thing that really made me say "well, maybe" was that they've established themselves enough to be in the classic rock annals of rock history.

My thoughts on if they are HOF worthy: -Mariah Carey Maybe, probably -Cher Nah -Ozzy Osbourne Abso-****ing-lutely, why is he NOT in already? -Mary J Blige Um...don't think so? -Eric B and Rakim Um...don't think so? -Peter Frampton Eh -Kool and the Gang Nah -Sade Nah -Jane's Addiction Um...don't think so? -Oasis Um...don't think so? -Sinead O'Connor Nah -Tribe Called Quest Um...don't think so? -Lenny Kravitz Nah -Dave Matthews Band Nah -Foreigner Nah--well, maybe...I dunno lol KEY: Abso-****ing-lutely = Self-explanatory Maybe, probably = I think less of this artist than most but acknowledge they probably deserve entry Eh = Don't have an opinion one way or the other Nah = I don't see why they deserve being in the R&R HOF over a multitude of others, even though I may really like their music Um...don't think so? = Don't know nearly enough about this artist but still believe my opinion of them matters one iota lol... .

I don't know where to put this lol...I think we have/had a thread for Democrats. Anyway... *To keep this post on-topic: Kari Lake amirite?

I pray to GOD this woman is put in charge of all the funds for the GOP moving forward lol...

So glad Santos is gone...

The lady doth protest too much, methinks...