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58 minutes ago, kfrankie said:

 

 

So is the media over reporting it, under reporting it, or what?  How do we honestly know?  Is the CDC trustworthy?  I certainly hope so.  Is China trustworthy?  Of course its not. 

 

Are CNN and FoxNews trustworthy?  Perhaps moreso on this type of issue because its (at least not yet) not overly political.  Watch what happens if a certain someone issues a travel ban and refuses to allow Chinese citizens and people who have traveled to Wuhan into the U.S.  FoxNews will tell you its the new black plague, and CNN will tell you its not all that bad, but even if it was we should still let everyone in without restriction, testing, quarantine, etc.

I'm more concerned with banner headlines for everyone that is getting tested, or social media posts/tweets that say 2% death rate of hospitalized patients???? - OMG that means 6 million will die, stock market jitters -etc. etc. 

25 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Oh yea, this is all supposed to go down at the end of this month, right?  Any new news?  Hard or soft Brexit, etc?

It's soft. Parliament approved the deal. 

2 hours ago, tshile said:

Glad you think you know more than the cdc and various hospitals and health departments. 

 

It's not the CDC that is over reacting - it is much of the media, social media and you, that are.

Seems like we are overreacting as usual. The reported mortality rate (so far) is less than half of that of the flu. 

22 hours ago, abdcskins said:

Makes you wonder how it is all going to end. Whether 100 years or 10,000 years from now, humanity will die out. Will it be from disease? Or will we run out of water and food? Will the planet get too hot? Will we run out of oxygen? Will a gigantic comet hit earth and vaporize us all? Wish I could witness it. 

My money is we'll go the same way as the dinosaurs (evolution).

14 hours ago, ClaytoAli said:

I don’t think they know how it spreads.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they do know who it spreads (It is a type of corona virus and they have long known how they spread). They just don't know when in spreads (ie the period it begins to be contagious once contracted).

49 minutes ago, kfrankie said:

 

Sounds a little bit like Ebola schmiola.  What the death vs. survival rate on this thing?

So far about 2% of reported cases. Don't conflate this with infection rates though, which a lot of people sensationalizing this are already doing ( the OMG 2% of US population = 6 million dead!!!! reports/tweets/posts).

Jo Jo Rabbit  - Great movie I can see why it was nominated for an Academy Award. Right now it would be a toss up between 1917 and this movie if I was voting (I haven't seen many of the other nominated movies though). For some reason this didn't play in my town during its first release so was happy they released it again.

1 minute ago, Renegade7 said:

 

I'll be honest, if its fast zombies, I think we lose despite best efforts, but slow zombies we still lose because of arrogance and not being able to agree on anything. World War Z happened to be a zombie book, it was really a critic on why wouldnt be able to handle something we should be able to handle. DOD has public documents that came out on how theyd deal with slow Zombies, I think it only acknowledges fast zombies versus having a plan because they dont have one theyd want to admit to (ride it out)

If it is the fast zombies I'll just turn up the speed on the treadmills.

Just now, Renegade7 said:

Agreed, knowing China, entirely possible they lying about death rate.  They are more likely to respond to leaks then clarifying what's actually happening in effort to maintain aroua of control or deniability.

 

If I had to guess where a future global pandemic would come from, it'd be Africa first because they cant contain it on their own and too much of that **** comes from Africa anyway followed by China for refusing to admit how bad it is until they cant hide it anymore. World War Z started in China (the book, not that film with the same title)

OMG this is the zombie virus??????  Fortunately I planned for it and tonight I'll be surrounding my house with treadmills.

33 minutes ago, visionary said:

If they aren't actually trying to deal with it long term or take care of people there...a lot of people may be dying.

Read up on the Spanish Flu. Very interesting in how that caronavirus developed and spread versus the normal spread (and why it became so deadly). Interesting note there are multiple strains of the same virus. The deadlier the strain the less likely it is to spread widely - Spanish flu was the exception: 

from wiki "....... This increased severity has been attributed to the circumstances of the First World War.^[76] In civilian life, natural selection favors a mild strain. Those who get very ill stay home, and those mildly ill continue with their lives, preferentially spreading the mild strain. In the trenches, natural selection was reversed. Soldiers with a mild strain stayed where they were, while the severely ill were sent on crowded trains to crowded field hospitals, spreading the deadlier virus.  ........"

22 hours ago, Destino said:

Media's really running with this one, but it doesn't seem to be all that terrifying.  Am I missing something?

That is exactly what they are doing. This will get sensationalized over the following days and weeks.  

Visiting Mayamar this weekend having fun pretending to be a spammer calling random people back in the US.

On 1/18/2020 at 2:58 PM, Rdskns2000 said:

Saw Bad Boys For Life, the third movie in the series.   I liked this one. Of course, it's been so long since the last one, I don't remember this series.  

  Reveal hidden contents

A nice revenge story, with Will Smith's character the target of the revenge.  

 

There's a quick bonus, after the movie ends that sets up a 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th movies.

 

i'll give the movie a solid B.

Fixed that for you.

15 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

. . . because?

 

I will point our that 

 

1)  There were sanctions, before the agreement.  (Otherwise, there would have been no leverage to get Iran to agree to shut down their nuke program.

 

2)  And there are sanctions now.  (I don't know how many countries are participating in them.  But it seems like there's enough that they're having an effect.)  

 

 

Basically he did nothing of the sort.  And simply making the same claim a third time will not change that.  

 

Once restrictions on the number centrifuges were to be lifted that would give the Iranians the ability to rapidly produce a bomb if it so desired.  Lifting restrictions on the the number of centrifuges was specifically part of the deal at the 10 year point.  As in the deal specifically stated Iran could have however many centrifuges it wanted at that point.

1 hour ago, Larry said:

 

Funny.  That's not remotely close to the way I read the deal described.  The deal I read about was:

 

1) Iran immediately shuts down (I think it was) 90% of their uranium refining operation.

2)  Iran immediately opens up their remaining refining operation to international inspectors, to verify compliance.  

3)  The US immediately lifts all sanctions.  

4)  Iran is permitted to refine Uranium, but has to stop when their Uranium is one year away from weapons grade.  

5)  If the US ever re-imposes sanctions, then the deal's off, and Iran can begin refining their Uranium beyond the "one year away" limit.  

 

About the only complaint I read about it, at the time, was that it basically allowed Iran to do all the state sponsored terrorism they wanted, without fear of sanctions.  (Because any sanctions would allow them to restart their nuclear program).  

 

Looking at the first summary of the agreement I find, it looks like my memory is correct, and the closest it comes to "you can have the bomb but not for 10 years" is that the agreement seems to expire in 10 years unless it's renewed.  (In 2031, if we had stuck with the deal, then Iran would be where they were before the agreement, except they will have gotten rid of most of their centrifuges and most of their refined Uranium.)  (It looks to me like Trump's actions have moved 2031 up to today.)  

With and expiration on Iran's limitations after 10 years. After 10 years it would have been impossible to reimpose the sanctions (remember prior to the treaty even Russia and China were abiding by much of the sanction requirements). Basically Obama told the Iranians OK you can have the bomb as long as you don't get it on my watch. There is really no disputing it was a ****ty deal designed to do just that. 

The problem was there weren't enough opponents when the original deal was made.  It was an awful deal. Basically saying yes you can have the bomb but not for 10 years. ( I guess the hope was that the Iranian regime would reform - ie fall sometime in those 10 years).

11 hours ago, The Sisko said:

............ the Iranians are the ones being measured and showing restraint. 

Is it really restraint if the bigger guy kicks you in the teeth after you poked him with a stick a few times and you then just sit there shocked ( although right after throwing a rock at him and missing)?

38 minutes ago, Skintime said:

Seems to think that he's a good honest man. Have to remember though, claims to not support him. Just wants to constantly defend him.

You are attributing to her the exact opposite (literally the exact opposite) of what she was complaining about the President over (his lies).

45 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

a lot of assumptions are unwinding.

 

not unplanned

not strengthening the Iranian regime

not starting ww3

 

decision to lie is bizzaire, specially when they’ve proved to be so bad at it

re: final point I think that may be his default setting kicking in.

1 hour ago, Hersh said:

It’s not a question of getting their story straight, it’s simply that Trump is lying and he’s not even capable of being honest. There isn’t a situation in which he won’t simply make something up. 
 

Yes you got that right. He lies when he doesn't need to. And definitely didn't need to lie over the Soliemani killing.

11 hours ago, illone said:

nobody does more of that than king snowflake the dotard himself. 
 

how does that uranium one conspiracy taste?

 

😂😂😂😂

And what has that to do with the price of tea in China?

1 hour ago, Larry said:

 

Now we're getting closer.  

 

Yes, I have no doubt that if you look hard enough, you can cherry pick some statements which you can pretend are kinda close to the claims being made.  

 

And stringing all of them together, and labeling the construct "the Dems" is still a straw man.  

Cherry pick? Heck a combine would probably more in order when it comes to finding the stupid assertions, hand wringing, theories etc made by Democrats or their supporters following the Soliemani killing.

16 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

 

So much for trump being set up by the Iranians...

Yeah that conspiracy theory didn't last long. I find it ridiculous the position the Dems have taken over the killing of Soliemani.  Deliberately editing out of their memories the Iranian attacks late last month, blaming Trump (some) for the deaths of the passengers on the Ukrainian flight and then coming up with ridiculous theories of how Trump got played. I criticized him for his stupid imminent attack justifications and his Iraqi sanction threats but I think some have gotten to the point where for many Trump as the bad guy trumps any other bad guy or bad guys no matter who they are.

4 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

So, does your time frame only start when America does something? Time doesn’t start when Iran killed a contractor, set mines on oil tankers, or attacked an embassy? 

He clearly answered your question in a follow up post   - Yes it only starts when America does something.

17 hours ago, skinsfan_1215 said:

Trump pretty clearly initiated the open hostilities that led to this. Iranian military owns the error that led to them shooting the plane down, but Trump fully owns the conflict that led to that. 

Yes he definitely did........ if you discount the rocket attack that killed an American and wounded several others and the Embassy Assault in late December (but let's just pretend those didn't happen).