34 minutes ago, visionary said:

Haven't really checked the symptoms much, but if it involves pneumonia that seems pretty bad, especially if  it can't be helped with antibiotics.  

 

On a side note, I've been feeling kind of weird the past week and on and off feverish for a few days now, and consistently feverish since yesterday evening.  

Kind of congested today as well, so hopefully this doesn't develop into something bad.  Generally when I get the flu, I'm stuck in bed for a week or more, feverish, sweating, coughing, constant mucous and saliva, and sometimes nausea.

Just got through a bad week of having something. (Caught it from the Mrs who had it the week prior). Day 1 - scratchy throat, chest tickle and congestion in upper sinus; Day 2  - A total flood of snot - initially thought a Noahs Ark might be needed to save life on Earth; Day 3 suddenly dries up - must be on the mend; Day 4 - Boy was I wrong - coughing fits galore - very dry coughing and wheezing leads to headaches; Day 5 (Today)- much better some residual coughing seem to be on the mend; Day 6 ?

Thing is I never had a fever and of course all the early snot eliminates Covid 19. So just my worst cold ever maybe?

1 hour ago, Llevron said:

 

I bet. Im so worried about having kids because of **** like this. I know its irrational. 

 

 

No lie when I woke up and my throat was sore I hoped to God it was strep. I get strep almost every year and not once in my life have I ever wanted it. 

This new Covid 19 is not really dangerous to kids. The grand total of children under 10 that have died from it (many have had it including a new born) is 0. 

2d check the symptoms of what ever you have.  I've been sick all this week with all the symptoms plus 1.  Wasn't worried that I have it because I have had an extremely runny nose. Covid 19 cases seem to be very telling in that they don't have runny noses. 

4 minutes ago, bcl05 said:

 

Interesting idea, but I don't think it applies to this virus, unfortunately.  In that experiment, they were infecting individual cells with multiple strains of virus.  The difference between common circulating "normal" coronavirus and this one is that the common cold virus primarily infects cells of the upper respiratory epithelium (nose, sinuses, etc).  The reason the new coronavirus is more dangerous and worrisome is that it primarily infects lower respiratory tract cells (lungs), leading to pneumonia.  In fact, patients of covid19 apparently have little URI symptoms (no runny nose or congestion).  

 

So I think it would be hard to get multiple strains of coronavirus infecting the same cell.  Unless you were using this to treat SARS/MERS...

Well, to be honest I kinda stepped into the deep end with my post above. Completely out of my depth. Thanks for the response. 

I wonder if Coronaviruses could be susceptible to asymmetric competitive suppression.  If so if you already have a corona virus (ie a cold) this new one may not be able to infect you until you get rid of the old one.  Of course protection would be of very limited duration. 

https://bmcmicrobiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2180-8-28

......However, in the vaccinia system, when one strain infects four hours after the other (superinfection), replication of the second strain is suppressed, and with a ten-hour lag time between infections, the second strain is unable to replicate at all (superinfection exclusion).....

35 minutes ago, tshile said:

re: WSJ story

 

 

So... 3 of those deaths have been old people in a nursing home, where 1 already died. ie: Incredibly high risk population. 1 of which we know had other health complications, but let's be honest, 'has health complications' describes everyone that lives in a nursing home... for the most part. So that describes at least 4 of the 6.

 

The virus is worth paying attention to. But the headline writers, the tweeters, and the internet experts sure love to participate in fear mongering; even the ones that don't know they are participating.

 

I think it needs repeating that for those under 50 the risk (if caught) is less than if one caught the flu. And for those 51-60 it is about the same as the flu. It's just after 60 that things start to get worse than the flu (and substantially worse for those over 80 - almost 22% of confirmed cases).  And oh yeah for you parents with young ones - to date kids are almost totally immune to this Corona Virus.

1 hour ago, bcl05 said:

The infectious disease experts at my institution have told us that they are going to use 2% for modeling/planning services since it represents the current best data.  They have also said that they will continuously re-evaluate as new data emerges.  

 

Given the aggressiveness of testing in China, 2% may not be too bad of an estimate.  It is far to early to know with certainty, of course, but it is also the best number we have.  

 

I continue to hear from experts in the field that 2% is their best current understanding of the available data.  I also continue to see internet experts say (paraphrasing) "I know and you know it won't really be 2%."  I'm going with the experts until they tell me otherwise.  

Something that also needs to be considered is that 2/3d of the critical cases/deaths in China are men and 1/3 Women.  50% of men smoke in China while only 3% of women do. So I'd make the assumption that smokers are significantly more vulnerable to this virus and since we have fewer smokers our death rate will likely be lower.

Have binged the Expanse over the last month (not total binge obviously). Excellent science fiction that tries to be a bit realistic on the environmental effects of living, working, travelling and fighting in space ( a bit - my pet peeve is that Earthers should be able to throw Belters around like rag dolls in the few hand to hand fights that occur in the show).

2 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

 

Technically, natural gas is a mixture of things and is mostly methane.

Understood was just pointing out that methane wasn't a byproduct of gas production.

Natural gas is methane. That said yes problems of deliberate release as a by product of oil production and leaks of gas pipelines occur. Deliberate release was and remains the biggest problem but that problem has been getting smaller as demand for natural gas has increased and provided incentive to harvest the gas instead of wasting it.    

On 2/17/2020 at 10:38 AM, SoCalSkins said:

Do you guys think it’s paranoia to pull my kids out of school and wait it out a few months? I work from home so I can quarantine at home without interaction with other people. This thing is worrying me.

FYI. Even if it spreads widely in the US it probably wouldn't be a good idea to do that. For children the flu is probably more dangerous to catch.

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

15 minutes ago, Corcaigh said:

@nonniey - it’s a joke, making fun of the English (that their version of the language is being replaced) and the Irish (that their way of speaking is so odd at times)

Thanks usually I catch those type of jokes but lately a combination of my deteriorating mental faculties (ie getting older) and people seriously proposing insane crap has knocked me off my stride.

Unfortunately it looks like yesterdays dip didn't hold or was probably under reported - big Spike tonight that more than made up for the decline yesterday. They  jumbled 2 days worth of data together with 252 deaths (on top of the 97 yesterday?). 

1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

Membership in a white supremacist or neo-Nazi group won't necessarily get a U.S. service member tossed out of the military, defense officials told a House subcommittee Tuesday.

 

The officials, including representatives of Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the Army's Criminal Investigation Division, appeared to make a distinction between membership in an extremist organization and "active participation" in deciding on recruitment and retention.

 

The officials also told a hearing of the House Armed Services subcommittee on personnel that they had no reliable data on how many service members had been administratively discharged for espousing white supremacist ideology or how many potential recruits had been barred from enlisting.

 

The testimony appeared to stun several members of the committee.

 

"I am flummoxed by what I've heard today," Rep. Jackie Speier, D-California, chair of the Subcommittee, said after questioning Robert Grabosky, deputy director of Law Enforcement at the Air Force Office of Special Investigations.

 

Grabosky said that membership in a white nationalist group "is not prohibited," but "active participation" in the group could lead to an administrative discharge, at a commander's discretion.

OK yeah that is the way it has been. Of course active participation is very broad and if it comes to a commanders attention it would have to be active imo.

1 hour ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

I couldn't open it. But that would be a major departure from established military policy.  Who were the officials who said this?

Edit. I found it yeah active participation will get you booted. Frankly way I see it the only way it comes to the attention of the commander is if you are active.

Well some good news the number of deaths on 11 February declined about 10% when they had been consistently increasing by about 10-13% each day prior to that.  Yes, just one day but it bucked the trend.

On 2/9/2020 at 8:42 AM, Voice_of_Reason said:

Or you say screw it and trade Haskins and go with Butrow.  
 

I doubt it comes to that.  Order of possibilities:

 

1. Cincy takes Burrow.  This is probably 90%, if not higher. 
 

2. Cincy trades back, Burrow still goes #1. 5%
 

3. Cincy takes CY. 5%
 

 

What happens with the other 9%?

1 hour ago, EmirOfShmo said:

I heard most of this conversation on the radio yesterday. I didn't realize this new coronavirus & SARS are part of the same strain. Also learned that SARS originated in horseshoe bats which bit civets that were then consumed by humans. The current coronavirus probably originates in the horseshoe bats, too. The unanswered question is what did they bite that became infected? That food market-epicenter was home to numerous types of animals.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/05/802938289/new-coronavirus-wont-be-the-last-outbreak-to-move-from-animal-to-human

 

Apologies if some of this was posted previously in this thread.

Related strain or same? Same would be bad given the SARS mortality rate. 

4 hours ago, zskins said:

 

 Lol.... Actually a player who is able to play two different positions.

Or a player that is big at one position (Safety) and small for the other(LB).

4 hours ago, visionary said:

 

 

 

These statistics give a little more info - certainly not enough to definitively paint a picture.  Using the assumption the suspected cases are actual cases it looks like about 5% become severe of which 15% die (a .007% death rate over all)?  So a death rate twice that of the flu for severe cases but less than half as many severe cases than the flu? This could be way off if the assumptions are wrong.

1 hour ago, DCSaints_fan said:

 

Flu death rate is 0.1%

 

Estimates for this death rate is around 2%.  And it appears just as contagious as the flu. 

Flu death rate is 7% of severe cases (Hospitalized).  Deaths from this new virus are 2% of confirmed/hospitalized cases .  Reports are large percentages who contract this virus don't get severe symptoms  - so I assume like the flu most that actually catch this virus don't end up in the hospital.  (The bad thing about this is it is probably much more wide spread). 

On 1/16/2020 at 7:50 AM, nonniey said:

Is it showing restraint if the bigger guy kicks you in the teeth after you poked him with a stick a few times and you then just sit there shocked ( although right after throwing a rock at him and missing)?

Whats happening are soldiers looking after themselves (most likely encouraged by their the local command/leader looking out for their soldiers).  It is best practice to get any injury and even potential injuries on record just in case down the road something crops up. 

Arab Leaders’ Support for Mideast Peace Plan Marks a Regional Shift

Tentative backing of U.S. proposal reflects changing priorities, frustration with the Palestinians and more willingness to work with Israel

https://www.wsj.com/articles/arab-leaders-support-for-mideast-peace-plan-marks-a-regional-shift-11580325868

Trump's Middle East peace plan: key points at a glance.

President’s vision emphasises Israel’s security rather than Palestinian self-determination

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/28/trumps-middle-east-peace-plan-key-points-at-a-glance

15 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

Why would you want a new plague?

That is just what progressivism today is. 

1 hour ago, No Excuses said:

Then only thing prevented in three days is a no-deal Brexit. The question of hard or soft Brexit is not settled until the end of this year, but more likely a couple more years. 

My understanding of the definition of a hard Brexit  was that it was a No Deal Brexit (Pretty sure that is how it was used last fall).  Since we were both responding to Greatbuzz I'd be interested in what he was actually asking.

1 hour ago, No Excuses said:

 

 

This isn't right. What the parliament approved is essentially a very rough framework. What the eventual trade and border agreement between the EU and UK looks like is still an open question: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ecb/hard-brexit-at-year-end-may-be-as-damaging-as-no-deal-brexit-ecbs-knot-idUSKBN1Z711Z

 

Soft or hard brexit isn't answered till the end of this year. Or even beyond that quite possibly.

Actually it is right.  The question was it a hard Brexit or a soft Brexit.  A hard Brexit would have meant immediate border controls (including in Ulster/Ireland), excise taxes etc being implemented and none of that is happening at the end of the month.