The Consigliere

Yep, Im hoping we trade down in the 5th and pick up a '25 day 3 pick as a part of it. The work in '25 begins with trade downs now.

Him over Bowers is just crazy pills ridiculous but I appreciate your passion for him and man, if you're right there (which for me is about 1 in 5000 chance), I'll eat heaps of crow and deserve it, that is going out on a limb lol.

He would have been my guy as well and I would've waited on Sinnott till the 3rd, but, judging by those other dudes Brugler and the nfl.com guy (is that jeremiah?), we took a guy from the same tier of OL's as the ones that went late 2nd, so....time will tell, plus Coleman clearly has the added value of being versatile, playing Guard in a pinch too, which at least some of those guys clearly did not, maybe we wanted the versatility since our entire OL is largely garbage beyond Center and a Guard spot and maybe Stromberg if he develops. So having versatile should be a plus, especially for playing time.

Oh I would've 100% taken one with the Sinnott pick. Pass on Sinnott, see if he lasts to 67 (I think he does, the TE run didnt really start until day 3, but maybe I end up being wrong, and Sinnott is not so special that I would've passed on OL's for him), otoh, Coleman was rated higher than Rosengarten by Brugler, if not Suamataia, and Paul, and the dude who does it for nfl.com, forgot his name, had Coleman above Rosengarten and Suamataia.... So? I don't know, maybe there's method to the madness, for two of the top guys doing this, they very much had Coleman in the same tier with either 2 of the guys you mention, or at least 1 in the other case....so? But yeah, I would've pulled the trigger with the Sinnott pick on OL, and waited on him.

The Over Under is 6.5. What are you expecting exactly? Btw, I'm not even being negative, I want us to be in position to continue building out the roster over two years, I don't want the team to get so good so fast that they outpace the talent they can land with good draft capital on day 1 and day 2. If we improve from 4 wins to 5, that's fine, 6 is pushing it, but I can live with it. 7 or 8 wins will make it harder to build out the roster. There's a lot of work to do. Fixing four years worth of stupidity under Ron, and a near decade's worth preceeding him takes time. It's fine. I'm actually quite hopeful long term. I think we got 3 starters and a reserve out of day 1 and day 2, that's actually a solid to good haul, if we can land one more on day 3, it's a very good one, and if the DT becomes what he seems like, and Daniels legit hits, that trumps the rest of it anyway. A QB hit transforms everything, as Houston illustrated in '23, Cincy in '20, Buffalo in '18, KC in '17 etc.

No, nearly all the good ones get cut, at least once.

So maybe he's a "athlete" bet? Wonder why it doesn't show up on tape for the guys evaluating him.

Like anyone he has more misses than hits....this reads like a miss, but time will tell, and to be fair, everyone misses a good 8 to 8.5/10 times on these guys.

From Brugler over at theathletic: A three-year starter at Temple, Magee was the Mike linebacker in defensive coordinator Everett Withers’ 4-2-5 base scheme. A high school quarterback, he fully transitioned to linebacker for the Owls, leading the team in tackles each of the last two seasons and earning a single-digit jersey number as a two-time captain. Although anticipation isn’t a true strength of his game, Magee trusts his keys and flies to the football once he loc ks onto his target. However, he feels small working downhill and his take-on skills leave a lot to be desired, which is why he projects to be more of a Will in the NFL. Overall, Magee’s average play strength will stand out versus pro competition, but his athletic range and competitive play style are NFL-quality assets. He should be an outstanding special teamer as a rookie while he competes for defensive snaps

Not like I can evaluate defensive players, but the read ups on him sound like ---. I'm expecting him to be cut, or to be bench depth or a bad field player. Not a fan of the pick at all. In fairness, the hit rate on guys at this point is like 10-25% tops, so, no matter he we took, it was always probably going to go sideways, not too often you find a Howell type talent in round 5 a stud RB like Aaron Jones on day 3 etc.

Pretty glad we didn't do it. Very boom bust guy, I'm not sure he would've been worth the cost (probably the DT, the DB and something else). I expect Thomas to be great, but he has a much higher bust risk than guys typically that go in that zone, for me anyway.

Its pretty clear from what happened that they had a bunch of guys who went in round 1 they liked that they couldn't get any deal done to move up for and nobody on their board was close to rated top 50ish. Generally speaking, the NFL agreed with their evaluation. All the OT's went undrafted until the last 9 or 10 picks of round 2 went a mini run started again.

Such a horrible pick in a long, long line of terrible 2nd rounders other than Cosmi (cautiously optimistic about last years nickel).

Went through the over unders just now, the teams with lower O/U's are the titans, giants, patriots, panthers, and broncos. So we're projected by Vegas, for now, to pick 6 in '25.

I loved the DT, liked the DB, I like Sinnott and think we have our TE now, but yeah I think it was early, but hey, probably our new pass catching TE, so I'll take that, Coleman is legit depth and potential starter at OT or G though the ceiling I think is average (but that's better than we have). I don't like the McCaffrey pick at all, just felt stupid, with much better talent on the board, reports from the senior bowl at least from one sight suggested he couldn't translate his athleticism later shown at the combine to the senior bowl practices where he wasn't getting separation. I hated that pick, especially with Franklin falling like a stone, and Baker still available, Jaylen Wright at RB, and some interesting OL, and Defensive fallers still there. It felt like a reach luxury pick based on name, just betting on genetic heritage and combine results, but not on the player. Hated that, especially with us not picking again for 39 picks. Just stupid. I hope I'm wrong, like with Daniels, but at least with Daniels, I get it, I just just am seriously skeptical that it is translatable long term, but with Luke, it's just the combine, and genes...I need more. For now, my take away: We got our starting QB, if he stays healthy and the word on his processing and hopefulness w/anticipation is on point, the p2s issue can get fixed and more, he's a stud. I hope. We got a top 7-8 OL that should be able to develop into a starter by '25, and emergency starter in '24. We got a nickel corner and leader for the DB's. We got our replacement for Allen, and a rotational DT for now. We got a guy who should win the starting TE job by '25, and we'll make do with catch and fall slugs as he learns in '24. In a lot of ways this is kind of ideal because it gives us long term help that isn't going to effect the bottom line too much in '24 (I don't see Sinnott, or Newton or Coleman or McCaffrey starting, Newton and Coleman will probably see a good chunk of snaps though), and for me, it's important that this team only win 4-6 games this year, and the nice FA haul meant w/a '24 steelers level draft, we'd potentially move towards 6-8 wins, I now don't see that happening. I think we've only pulled 1 immediate starter from this draft, maybe 2 if you include the DB who will be on the field a ton as a nickel eventually. For now, the O/U on the win total is 6.5. The betting for now is predicting 7 wins (-130 on the over). I look at this draft, and the free agent hault. Its pretty clear we aren't fixing the OL this year (it was nigh on impossible so not a criticism, that looked like a 2 year project), we aren't fixing edge, LB is improved but not great, the secondary may be improved, Forbes can't be that bad again though losing Curl sucks. The WR group is not improved, RB is not improved, QB is. For me that's a net: meh. Not a criticism, they are plugging holes, and the draft looks like a draft a team does when its looking to '25 and '26 more than '24. Fine w/me. I see 4-6 wins still, ceiling of 7, that should slot us 3-13, I would project a middle of 5-6 wins, which is more like 5th-12th zone. I don't much about '25 other than that the QB's stink, RB's are a bit better, WR's are worse, not sure on TE, don't know the rest. Our needs next year look like OL, Edge, LB, WR, RB, maybe DB, we'll see. I am okay with this, so far, I hated the Daniels pick, and I hated the McCaffrey pick, but felt the rest ranged from fine to good or very good. So far mostly good and if Daniels hits and stays healthy, it creates a 10x value boost period.

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I think its pretty clear they viewed not getting into round 1 as closing the door on the immediate options. They're gonna get a vet or two, and get developmental guys (maybe).

I think people get way too enamored with specific players after the top handful in any draft. One of the reasons I requested people do their tiers was because the team never ever drafts your guy, 95% of the time. They just don't. Their favs and yours are always different. Its much better to just list out your favorite guys in the 2nd round and 3rd round tier in the position groups were likely to target and roll with it. Newton was one of the best guys left at slot, they liked him, Allen's contract is up in '26, Paynes in '27, he's probably the replacement for one of them after '24, if not sooner. Value they had to grab. They didn't like the OL's as much as people liked, and they probably had a bunch of guys tiered in the DB group from 36-50, the only thing I dont like about the trade is the contradictory reports of us giving them a day 3 pick or not giving them a day 3 pick then it turns out we give the higher one. WHY? But beyond that it's fine. I think Sinnott made a lot of happy and the DB is quite interesting.

We'll see how this comes out. Depends upon what we pull with those 50's and that extra day 3 pick. There are a lot of good players left at our position groups of need.

Eagles clearly weren't remotely happy with their secondary.

Uh oh, much cursing now.

no we gave up a 3rd as a part of a deal. Looks like 2 2nd's and an earlier 5th or something for 1 2nd and 1 3rd

Wow that is awesome. We can trade down from 67 or 70whatever too now. There's still another 3 or 4 WR's I like, 3 OL's and 2 DB's, decent chance at least one and maybe 2 of them are there, or guys I didn't even consider like Newton.

Rams might suck this year, Eagles won't. Not sure how high their future 2nd is likely to be, but yes I'd love to get a '25 asset in the deal, but I think they're trying to add day 3 draft capital.

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