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Wow, I really never thought of it that way...but you're right!

Maybe it's implied in your post...but not only will you get turnover, but you'll get shoddy effort while those people are there. Even if they are good people. Most of us have worked for ****ty bosses or ****ty companies. It demotivates you. It's hard to give a **** when everything around you sucks. So, the quality from even normally very high-performing people suffers.

Well, you need interest to do sports talk radio...look at their content. They have this team...a perennial loser run by the worst owner in sports. The consistent winner in town happens to be the hockey team - say what you want, but that's never going to be a large group of people. The Nats were chokers except for one magical year. And, the one other sport that could bring this area together has the Wizards. Point being...what is there to talk about? Ron Rivera? Yawn. If Howell can lead the offense to 10 wins? Get real. How many times can that be the topic? Back in the 80s I understand how they could fill up the airwaves...there was an expectation each year to get to the NFC Championship Game. That's FUN to talk about. Now, it's discussing how the culture is going to ruin good players like Jon Allen and Terry M. I don't blame the stations at all.

Sadly, I'm sure you're right. We know that many players come here from colleges and have made comments. And that's not just the SEC players where you'd expect it (since I'm sure those schools have budgets that might put many NFL teams to shame)...

I agree...and as you said, those are two different things. I think it is both something that would be cool to buy because it's a reclamation project that someone could put their stamp on and save. But, with so much money that would be needed to be poured into it, that has to factor into how much you'd be willing to pay. Maybe those two things end up canceling each other out? The opportunity to create your own vision rather than being stuck with a stadium or established brand CREATES value? I'm not smart enough to quantify that... I think you're overstating where the Washington Commanders sits in the sports world in 2023. It will be the largest sale in sports history, you're right. But I think that's the case simply because it'll be the most recent. If the Seahawks are sold in 2024, they will sell for more. Some fans will come back when Snyder leaves. Many more will stop despising the team at that time. Very few will be able to recapture what they once had because of the 20+ year beating their passion took during his stewardship.

It really does make me think back to when Sheehan referred to this as an expansion team. Snyder has hollowed out everything valuable about the organization. Now, there's clearly value to all the land he owns and, as you mentioned, the rarity of an NFL franchise in Washington, DC. But, he destroyed the brand, destroyed the popularity, let the stadium decay, let the training facility become completely outdated, and has let the organization become a bottom-tier operation. I don't do this for a living, but I've been a part of companies that have been acquired and been on the acquiring side, so I understand the concept of multipliers. I would have to imagine, unless there are variables that we don't know about, the multiplier on the Commanders right about now is not very high.

Oh, sure. But that's a very small piece of the pie in running a multi-billion dollar organization. We've seen the examples through the years indicating that he's grown less and less confident in his ability to spend money. From paying for any FA name who hit the streets early on to selling stale/repurposed peanuts and expired beer at the stadium to making very little investment in his team's training facilities to letting his stadium crumble around his team... He operates the overall organization like someone without a lot of overhead money to spend.

Hmmm, you might be on to something! I dare say that he owes much of his wealth and notoriety to his purchase of the Redskins in 1999.

I don't think it's even close...and that's coming from someone who believes this franchise is run by a team of buffoons. Here are a few defenses of the trade... 1) There was no future salary cap impact to the team 2) Even though it was a long shot, they rolled the dice in a year when they were clearly worse than Dallas and Philly & needed a HR at the position to contend 3) They had to make a trade to get anyone to join the team (most likely)

What type of cash spend? Is that a measure of "cash spend" on player acquisition? That ranking wouldn't be shocking, but I would suspect it's far lower when you factor in total franchise operations...they pinch pennies with their stadium, their practice facility, etc. so when it comes to evaluating how Snyder runs the organization, you have to factor more than just what he spends on players and coaches.

Yeah, I think that's what the next owner needs to hope for, which is why Sheehan's statement makes some sense...this is a forward-looking operation. Honestly, that's what Jason Wright and Dan Snyder should have been doing with the rebrand anyway (not that I was rooting for Snyder to succeed...but if I was). The old-timers were gone or going. Focus 100% of your attention and energy on new and younger fans. If the colors needed to change, change the colors. If the song needed to change, change the song. If the name needed to be something way less safe, make it bolder. The mistakes they made weren't that they abandoned the past too much, it's that they tried too much to straddle the fence.

Yeah, I really can't see it honestly. Those things are hard to reignite. The passion that I had was a unique ****tail of nostalgia, success associated with great memories from my youth, an attachment to an era that no longer exists, etc. I just don't know how a "new" team or new connection can possibly match that.

I think there are some like you. I think there are just as many who are gone for good. And I think there are some that could go either way. Snyder being gone will fix the biggest issue that most of us have with the team...that's undeniable. But, it won't instantly re-spark the passion that most of us had. That can't just be turned back on. The rich people who might buy the team probably realize that. It will cost a lot of money to rebrand, build a stadium, and do a grassroots marketing campaign to win back a fan base. All of that AFTER spending $5B to buy the team.

This is truly amazing. When all is said and done, this might come down to a pompous, stubborn idiot being willing to accept 5-6x what he paid for something rather than trying to hold out for 8-9x. It really makes sense...anyone who buys this team is going to have to pay a ****-ton of money to acquire fans and generate non-shared revenue. The market is OK and owning an NFL team is cool. But they'll need to build a stadium and there's no true history or wow factor that goes along with The Commanders. I think I saw on Twitter someone attributed this to Kevin Sheehan...but they are basically buying an expansion team.

What the Hell man.

HA, I didn't mean we had to build statues just because they were presidents...but rather if someone wanted to make a statue of a president, that should kind of be rubber-stamped.

You know...he seems as benign as they come, but one day in the future we might live in a world that it's frowned upon to mention God in interviews. If the Washington stadium has Gibbs statue out front and that's the climate we live in, there could be pressure to "cancel" even Joe Gibbs.

Yeah, it just seems like a hornets' nest, but depends on the significance. For example, we should always have statues to George Washington...and actually all presidents. They were elected by our citizens. But, I had this thought more about less important things...sports, for example. I wouldn't ever build a statue to a coach or player if I was a team. Eventually, something controversial will come out about that person to put pressure on the team/organization to remove or pull down the statue.

I hate the need to apply a binary "good" or "bad" label on people retroactively too. Suddenly through a lens that's matured by 2 centuries we are going to judge people? Seems a little unfair

In general, I think we need to stop putting up statues of PEOPLE because eventually in the future something they've said or done will become offensive or taboo. Let's memorialize events or things, not people. We are flawed.

I'm not speaking for @tshile, but I have an opinion on this... We are an almost 250-year old country. It's going to become more and more common when we encounter things that were built or discovered or invented or put into law by flawed individuals, individuals who were a product of a time that doesn't stand up to today's society, or sometimes just bad individuals. We are going to have to separate the things from the individuals unless we are going to start over every couple of decades. I don't think European countries scrap their histories or culture every generation because their ancestors weren't as progressive as today's humans are. And their histories date back much further than ours. It's possible for a bad man to create something of value for us to use. We don't need to trash everything that can be attributed to someone who didn't lead a perfect life based on today's standards.

I agree. What are we doing? It seems like some of the ideas that people are having are inching us closer to segregation. And I understand that the reasoning is because they didn't have a say in decisions that were made...but dividing is dividing. And to your point of just eliminating anything historical that is connected to someone who owned slaves or was built by slaves or something like that...well then you're treading into just blowing up anything with any history. I don't believe that's the answer either.

I like America The Beautiful much more too. My take, FWIW, is that whatever our national anthem is should be the song everyone recognizes and respects. I'm not going to die on a hill for this next part, but my preference would be that if you're going to go through the trouble of doing something patriotic before games, it should also probably be the only song you play...why play 2-3?

Maybe not blowing gaskets...but I didn't love the "Dudes, really" that we got simply because I wasn't aware that the signing of that song happened before games. And, as it turns out, it seems like it doesn't.

hahaha OK, so the people blowing a gasket over some of us not being aware of it before a major sporting event are somewhat out of line then. This was, in other words, unprecedented in American sports history. Got it.