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  1. Will Cousins Play For The Skins In 2018

    Cousins continues to be a confounding player. Individually his stats are really fine and have been really fine. And every once in a while he does something that appears to be so great an impact as you can point to him being why we won a game. And every once in a while he does something that appears to be so great an impact as to why we lost the game. And most of the time he's just on the field playing QB. Generally fine. But generally never better than the opposition's QB. Just look at this year. Eagles visit. Wentz outplayed Cousins and this was the one game this year Cousins lost on his own. Missed passes. Ugly play. Mistakes. One game I'd rather have the other team's QB. We go to the Rams. Goff threw for more yards on fewer attempts and completions. But also had an interception. Generally you'd say neither QB played better than the other in this game relative to the defenses they played against, but give a SLIGHT edge to Goff in game and generally if you could have either, right now, who would you prefer? Two games I'd rather have the other team's QB. Raiders visit. Our high water mark as a team for sure. Cousins clearly outplayed Carr. One can fairly debate if they'd rather have Carr to Cousins in a straight up pick. The general consensus is probably on Carr's side. But it's probably close. One game I'd rather have had our QB based on performance on the field in that game. We go to the Chiefs. Smith outplayed Cousins in a direct comparison. We were gritty and could have won. But on the whole Smith was better that day. People would prefer Cousins in a straight pick, but would probably prefer Smith for $15 million than Cousins for $30. Three games I'd rather have the other team's QB. Niners. Cousins gets the nod though we did make Beathard look way too good. This is one of Kirk's better games of the year. Two games I'd rather have had our QB. We visit the Eagles. Cousins played really well. Over 300 yards. Three TDs. 30 of 40 passing. Wentz had 4 TDs and only 268 yards, but, 13 fewer completions for just 35 fewer yards. Though on the field this is a close one, because they won, their QB had more TDs and their offense was FAR more explosive, you nod with Wentz. Four games I'd rather have the other team's QB. Cowboys visit. Kirk outplays Dak insanely, made more clear by the superior Cowboys running game. Some would argue they'd take Dak over Kirk generally, but in this game it was Kirk's day...in a bad loss. Three games I'd rather have had our QB. Seattle time. Kirk's KEY plays win this game. His throws in pressure against odds in a tough environment are a high water mark for him as far as individual influence on a game. Yet he was the second best QB on the day. Wilson was far more dangerous in every way. And generally you'd rather have him to Kirk. Five games I'd rather have had their QB. Vikings. This is really the start of the downfall for the season. They out manned us and pushed us around. Kirk played really well against a good defense generally putting up solid numbers. But as is the case with Kirk, numbers rarely translate into a difference and while NO ONE would pick Keenum over Kirk Keenum had a superior game and greater impact on the outcome in this one. And, again, for $15 million, I'd be fine with Keenum over a $35 million Cousins. Six games I'd rather have had their QB. Demoralizing Saints loss. Cousins again plays GREAT. Over 300 yards. 3 TDs. Solid against a solid pass defense. Brees just played a hair better on the whole because when it mattered he didn't miss. Had OT not happened this would have gone a different way though. And, of course, you'd STILL take Brees over Cousins to lead your team generally. Seven games I'd rather have had their QB. Boring Giants game. Cousins gets the nod in game and probably future worth. But that is not normal in games against the Giants :). Four games I'd rather have had our QB. Visiting Dallas now. Dak gets the edge in on field performance. Still a debate as to whether he's better for a team long term or not. Eight games I'd rather have had their QB. Chargers. Wow. Rivers looked every bit the genius. Cousins did not play well. We're tanking. It's not all on Cousins. But Rivers killed him and probably would be considered as good a leader for a few years as Cousins long term. Nine games I'd rather have had their QB. Generally what I am struck by is on the field Kirk is rarely the best player at his position compared to other top QBs. Do the same thing for the Pats. Smith outplayed Brady in game one, two more like that? Ben had a dog of a game with five interceptions, but has three 500 yard games. Remember how he torched us a year ago? Kirk just never seems the reason, that often, his team wins. He's a fine player. Productive. Solid. And worth every penny of less than $20 million on a yearly basis. He doesn't provide enough benefit to those around him to pay him more and lose players around him. That Green Bay game a year ago was him being awesome. But there are just not enough of those where he's that guy for THAT price. Now, if we assume we go 5-11 or 6-10 we can achieve that with anyone at QB. We don't need a Top 5 paid player to hit that mark, UNLESS that player IS the sole reason you even hit that many wins. If we hit 7-9, like the Saints for several years, you still don't look at our team and say we are 7-9 BECAUSE we have Cousins while all else is horrific. The Saints hit 7-9 BECAUSE Brees was still so good in spite of everything else being atrocious. I really actually like and respect Cousins. I think he's a hell of a productive, fine player. He's just NOT a guy you can sink that much into as he won't lift your team when other things suck. We are beaten up like crazy. Worn out and down. Cousins isn't making anyone better and it appears his play is bolstered remarkably by the play around him. Which is fine, but means sink money in to that. We can achieve 6-10 with Keenum at QB. Or Colt. We don't need a $35 million guy. I know, as well, that Kirk doesn't play the opposing team's other QB. He plays their defense and they play ours. So our continued inconsistency on defense seems to make everyone we play have great games, save one or two we jump up and "surprise" by killing someone (see Derek Carr). The point remains if you go through his career you generally always would take the other team's guy over ours. That one game I'd have taken Kirk over Rodgers is so outside the norm as to be something you almost have to ignore, as there are at least as many games Keenum is better than Cousins to be worrisome. I'm now on board with you have to let him go, build more depth and find another QB. And when we keep him, as we will, I'll root for him to be great still :).
  2. Redskins Raiders Post Game Assessments

    So, again, and this shouldn't be hard for you. Do you have EYES. No one said Montae came out of no where. He made a good play on a ball that, if not for his play, is a touchdown. Is that a bad decision by Carr? Maybe. Was the touchdown from Cousins to Doctson a bad decision? Maybe. In both cases it worked out in our favor. That ball is perfectly thrown. That doesn't mean it had the arc you seem to need, or the velocity. It means that receiver catches the ball if no one gets in the way. THAT is where Carr did demonstrably better than Cousins against Philly. Carr didn't throw one erratic pass. Not one. Kirk missed throws almost by the dozen against Philly. Philly's defense was less stiff than ours against the Raiders, which is not a slight on Philly as few defenses perform as well as ours did against the Raiders, including OUR OWN almost all of the time. Is there ANY question that statistically Cousins had a better game against Philly than Carr did against us? Nope. No one has suggested otherwise. The suggestion, one you have yet to actually speak to, is Cousins made terrible throws, repeatedly, against Philly. Not bad decisions. Terrible throws. THAT is where Carr did visually and clearly better than Cousins AND most QBs do. Cousins has weird starts to his seasons. But, if Carr is our QB against Philly, we win. If the sole judgment is actual proximity of ball to receiver hands.
  3. Redskins Raiders Post Game Assessments

    Except...you couldn't. You couldn't say Carr threw high or wild or missed open guys. I've watched the coaches film for it too. There wasn't much (two plays) where he had guys I'd probably have thrown to instead of who he did. Against us at least. His first interception was a touchdown but for the fact Nicholson came over and made a play. His second interception was a perfect ball but our defensive player made a play. Kirk's crushing interception against the Eagles was KIRK making a bad throw. There IS a difference. It's not a strong throw into coverage which MAY be a bad decision. It was a TERRIBLE throw into bad coverage, which is not something professional QBs do much. Carr didn't once against us. The facts do not show you are "correct". The facts are Carr didn't throw one terrible ball against us. One that was so wild as to be impossible to even conceive of being caught. Cousins threw 10 of those against the Eagles. Go watch. That's a HUGE difference.
  4. Redskins Raiders Post Game Assessments

    I would not call it Gibbsian. Pettibone had complex defenses and was innovative. There was rarely anything simple. Pettibone was a lot like Belichick in terms of defensive innovation and flexibility. I would, though, agree the play we saw was not one iota special. We had a game plan, certainly. We were going to sit on quick developing routes as Carr gets the ball out so quickly. But, we didn't blitz, or twist, or really mix coverages. We lined up and beat the guy across from us. That was VERY much like the Marty time when we went from an overly complex, idiotic scheme to simple. The defense last night was a LOT like some of the games we saw then. Lavar playing downhill backer, like Zach Brown, was his best year. He was used dumbly as a pass rusher after that. Dan Wilkinson was dominant that year. Our corners were super strong. But once the team rebelled and had a come to Jesus meeting after game 5 and Marty just called vanilla games that team started pounding on folks pretty well, at least on defense. That, to me, is the most encouraging thing about last night. We weren't smarter than the Raiders staff. We weren't more clever. We didn't out scheme them (though we probably out game planned them). Gibbs and Pettibone often won with lesser talent on some clever plays and adjustments. On Sunday, we won, our men against theirs, and we did so convincingly. That is a hell of a nice thing to have witnessed as it would be great if we ALSO could throw in some sneaky scheme things that add some to that mix :).
  5. Redskins Raiders Post Game Assessments

    Cousins was absolutely under pressure against the Eagles. Professional QBs are often under pressure. If you're suggesting that for Cousins to throw a normal ball he must have perfect conditions then you are making a case against Cousins. Cousins had time, an open guy, and simply nutted the pass. Our offensive line did not play at all well against the Eagles. Fairly, the bulk of the team played like garbage and did things you simply don't anticipate or expect, so it wasn't just that Cousins was off while everyone else was on. In large part our slow starts may end up being a preparation and training thing as it does seem to take us a few games to get our land legs back and play actual football again. But, Cousins being the most important player, who is the guy you are going to sink a tremendous amount of money in, can get away with a terrible throw here and there. Against Philly he was so wild it was almost as if he was new to the offense. Which, by now, should be his immense strength. While much of the team played badly against Philly, Cousins, playing MILDLY like a Top 10 QB, and we win that game. You can't watch it, and his throws, and feel much differently. He made great throws under pressure against the Raiders. Most QBs throw fairly well against pressure. If you believe Cousins needs perfect protection to play well then we don't need to put money into him. His money means HE can make a play when others fail to. Against the Raiders he did make plays -- and others made plays for him which was also nice. Against Philly his lack of making anything and inaccuracy was a core reason we lost. Likewise, our offensive line's poor play was as well. The difference is when we pay Cousins a ton, our offensive line will get worse, not better. So if you need a great line for him to play well, then pay the line not him. Or you need to expect he'll make the line better by making plays. Manning did that with the Colts. For years they were the best line in football. He leaves and they are the worst, with the same players. The QB makes others better. I'm still unsure Cousins does enough to be a Top guy. But he CAN because there are times he absolutely does.
  6. Redskins Raiders Post Game Assessments

    DGF. uh, no. Cousins missed wide open guys against Philly. He threw high, consistently. He was drastically off target on anything deep. That wasn't Philly. That was us. Yes, Philly blitzed, but when you have a 5-8 guy wide open for a TD AND you correctly throw it to him, if you actually throw ANYTHING mildly NORMAL it's a score, and when you don't it is disconcerting. THAT is where Kirk often struggles to become a fan favorite. No one cares about a game where he doesn't shine because the other team is in good coverage or whipping the offensive line or circumstances dictate a game he'd struggle. If his passes are generally in the right area it's fine. He said on his pass to Doctson that could have gone the other way. Amerson could have picked it. That would STILL have been a great ball. Perfectly thrown. To a man in a one on one situation. If we lose it we can live with it. The ball was thrown well. One of the announcers and Gruden commented on the red zone play where Kirk just took a couple yard run for a field goal attempt instead of forcing it. THAT is a decision he doesn't always make either. But did against the Raiders. Kirk's problem isn't that he can have bad games. It's that there are things he does that NO really good QB does as consistently. As I said, if he has his horrendous starts to seasons down to one game, we can live with it. But you can't reasonably question his play against Philly as being in any way good. He missed a ton. Watch the Game Pass on NFL.com with the coaches tape. It's UNREAL how much he missed. Scary really. But, he threw some great balls against the Raiders that make you believe he's excellent. If he could get rid of the wildly terrible play like he had against Philly he'd be a sure bet Top 5 guy. Because he HAS that potential otherwise.
  7. Redskins Raiders Post Game Assessments

    That's not really the point DGF. Carr performed miserably against us, in large part, because we had their number and overwhelmed them. He didn't leave anything on the table. Even his two interceptions were well thrown balls we just grabbed. He didn't miss wide open guys consistently or throw so wildly off target as to be disconcerting as Kirk did against Philly. Put another way, though Carr clearly played worse against us than Cousins did against Philly, Carr did so BECAUSE of us. Kirk just played badly. If Kirk connects on NORMAL QB throws against Philly we win. Carr didn't miss anything. He had nothing to go to. Kirk played very well last night. He made several BIG throws that were accurate and tremendous. Again, if he's MILDLY that accurate against Philly we're 3-0. The problem with Kirk isn't that he can have an off game because the other guys are whipping us. That happened against the Giants last year and it wasn't so much that Kirk played badly, but they just took it too our offense. The problem is sometimes Kirk appears to have no idea where he's throwing the ball and it's NO WHERE CLOSE. In 2015 it took him basically 9 games to NOT just overtly suck. Last year fewer. This year apparently just one with some average No. 2. I can live with Kirk just sucking on opening day if he plays 13 games like last night for sure. But he did, and has, sucked on opening day in the three years :).
  8. Redskins Raiders Post Game Assessments

    The Redskins remain an interesting, confounding team. Performances like last night are rare in this league. There was no way that team, playing that way, isn't a legitimate contender for best team in football. At the same time, that same team beat itself against Philly, for the most part, and looked ragged against the Rams. As a Skins fan the talent the team appears to have is evident on paper but the paper talent never seems to reveal itself. Last night there was an unveiling. And it was exciting. This team has a great offensive line (notwithstanding two games in which it was not at all great), a solid QB (notwithstanding two games in which he was not that solid), a decent running game, great overall weapons, a stout defensive line, the ability to generate pressure and a strong secondary which may even appear to have four good players in it at each position for the first time in a long while. So this team, on the field last night, is as good as there is in this league. As such, I will say, it matters not. We go to KC and will be heavy underdogs. If we win or put up a hell of a good fight in a tough road loss I'll think this team is starting to play on the field as the paper team appears to be built. If we lay an egg, well, that's just kind of what we do on our way to 7-9 to 9-7.
  9. TSO. Disagreement is not at all a concern for me and I know it is not for you. People view things in whatever fashion they view things. My take on what you wrote is simply you are, probably correctly, recalling Kirk's past 23 games more than his first 9, speaking of the past two seasons. My comment that Kirk's first 9 is not new. I made it several times in 2015. For 9 games he threw maybe two passes you or I couldn't have thrown and made. Within that stretch it's not that he did nothing. It's that what he did was so easily replicated by nearly anybody it was meaningless. Even crap QBs have moments. Then things began to flow. And for 23 games we have had an explosive offense capable of challenging downfield. Notwithstanding the first couple games last year where Kirk just missed on some easy long balls, we were a threat and reasonably potent offense because Kirk did a very fine job. I do not discount that fine job because for 9 games while he was getting his feet and adapting his more error prone play to the play he's had now the bulk of his starting career, but it would be inaccurate to say for 9 games of 2015 he was anything special or interesting or valuable. He became so, obviously. Who he is now is someone who is not that. Who he is exactly is still an open question. He does some things very, very well. His strongest trait appears to be the one that may make him an actual elite QB. His ability to process the field and get the ball out quickly with reasonable accuracy. It is fair to say I do not yet view him as Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. But that may be exactly the guy he is and will clearly show himself to be. The reason this conversation started in the Moses thread is in direct response to someone who felt we could have gotten reasonably good production out of a right tackle for less and mentioned Kirk's value in comparison. I merely wondered if Kirk is merely a Top 15 QB, would you want to save $20 million a year on a Top 25 QB or not. As I ended in that conversation, the equation is not simply if X player could have X numbers, which are solid, would you prefer that to what Kirk can do. It's not that simple because if Kirk is Brady, Brees in processing and ability there are numbers he's creating which others simply would not achieve because of his ability to process and make the right play, if not always the perfect play. I am generally pretty complimentary of Kirk's play the last 23 games and he has certainly proven a lot. I just don't know if he's the reason the system is productive or if he's productive in part because the system is sound. My current guess is he enables the system to achieve more productivity and lifts it and someone else, Colt for example, would leave more out there while probably having solid numbers. I can't say I think he's a guy I'd like Top 5 money for 5 years at that position though as I do believe, unlike Brady or Brees, who can make ANY weapon around him better, Kirk needs weapons to be his best self. I may also be wrong on that :).
  10. Per PFT. Morgan Moses signs 5 year extension

    This is true. Cousins GREATEST strength as a player is how quickly he processes and gets rid of the ball. As Burgold and I spoke, THAT is the thing that makes you wonder if Cousins is an elite QB as so few have that ability. We don't have a huge sample size because in 2014 he wasn't sacked much, but sucked much. In 2015 he wasn't sacked much, but, for 9 games, sucked a ton. John Beck with a hint of upside. Then for the last 23 games he hasn't gotten sacked much and played really well, generally, with normal tides for any player. Mentally McCoy is simply not going to be Cousins' equal, BUT, with time in the offense this would improve, if never be the strength that it is for Cousins.
  11. This is interesting. Some would tell it that McCloughan is no longer here because of ego and power plays internally. Yet, the man with the ego who won that, as some tell it, power play, stood pat and did exactly what the guy he fired would have done? The fun part is you are actually pretty close to right. The more fun part is those who think this had anything to do with a power struggle or ego simply know nothing.
  12. This is excellent logic that I fear will go unremembered should Allen have shoulder issues early in his career as it has gone unremembered after other no-brainer moves we've made that have not always worked out. There are some who think we were stupid for hiring Spurrier, who, at the time, was considered an astoundingly fantastic hire. I've often said a move is a good one or a bad one the moment you make it, NOT based on how it works out, though how it works out CAN turn a dumb decision in to one fortunate to have been made. See Joe Gibbs when JKC made the hire initially as an example. You are right though, Allen is a decision that was absolutely the only one you could make given our needs and style of play. If he's fantastic it'll be good we made the choice but no special credit is earned for making the choice all of us would have made. Similarly, if he fails, no scorn exists for those who made a pick that was good this moment and remains good regardless of how Allen actually plays.
  13. Per PFT. Morgan Moses signs 5 year extension

    It's true that Kirk is actually elite with regard to his time to delivery. He gets rid of the ball super quick. It is in this area he MAY be Brady or Brees in that he can process quickly enough to avoid pressure. McCoy CLEARLY does not have that and like RGIII will hold on to the ball longer. Now, for the first 9 games of 2015, Cousins threw about two passes you and I couldn't have thrown. He got rid of the ball so quickly nothing could develop and it was less a sixth sense and more a John Beck mockery. Obviously that changed the final 7 games and most of last year so I yield the point. BUT, if you watch coaches film you see a LOT is left on the field with Cousins as things that are developing are not waited on as the ball is out so quickly. This is NOT necessarily a bad thing as it likely is why he's effective. But I'm not yet sure what he shows is what Brady shows who is the closest to showing the same thing I've seen.
  14. Per PFT. Morgan Moses signs 5 year extension

    ncr, if Cousins could have corrected the flaws that benched him in McCoy's favor through greater fluency in the offense it's likely McCoy could have improved on some of his, especially with improving talent on the offensive line. The point remains, if you KNEW McCoy could put up a season like Cousins did you'd trade Cousins, right? This is not actually as easy an answer because there's another factor. If Cousins is Brady or Brees you don't.
  15. I'm always around. I only have time to post a few times a year anymore. Damn kids and dogs :).