CLiNT0N P0RTiS Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Those commercials are hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by Ancalagon the Black I'm sad to say that spelling "ludicrous" the way a popular rapper does doesn't add to your case. Hey, Kilmer17--where in the Constitution does it say that the government can recognize marriages for tax purposes? Well, the Constitution makes no mention of income taxes at all. So if you want to lead the charge to abolish it, Im already behind you. Just because one is wrong, doesnt mean we need to continue with another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashmowf Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by TMat184 Let me remind you morons that you can have a job and still not afford healthcare, its happened to millions and millions of people in this country. BTW, they don't want a fing goverment handout, they want healthcare to be affordable for us young people who are trying to make lives for ourselves away from our parents. Could not have said it better myself....I've got a wife and son and my healthcare cost equals my coworker's monthly Child Support payment....and he has two kids. :puke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashmowf Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by TC4 The reason that health care in the US is so damn high can be summed up in two words: TORT LAWYERS!!!! They drive up the costs because of the tens of millions that get paid out for lawsuits with huge settlements that trot lawyers win and thus, drive up insurance rates so high that force both doctors and hospitals to raise their rates to pay for high insurance premiums to stay in business. And if Jonh Kerry had won, you would see a lot more of that kinda thing thanks to his choice for VP, John Edwards, who is also a trot lawyer Oh really.....so I guess this "LAWYERS" just came out of the blue the last 4 years........please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashmowf Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by Montilar I'm calling BULL on this. I remember what it was like being 18, 20, 24. And essentually living paycheck to paycheck after graduating and getting a job. As has been said, it's a matter of priorities. You don't NEED a brand new, fancy, hopped up hot rod or sports car. But tell that to someone your age..... (my niece just turned 18, graduated high school and has a part time job, repeat PART TIME job..... first thing she does is buy a brand spanking new honda. ) gotta look cool..... Who ends up paying for it? And she absolutely has to go out partying all the time. Got to see those movies and clubs...... got to have new cloths; "can't wear that one anymore, I've worn it twice; it's old and worn out now....." You don't need to be hitting the clubs and partying day in and day out. that's a luxury as well. You don't need a fancy stereo system; that's a luxury. You don't need that plasma screen tv..... And so on. Priorities.... Sacrifices as well. Living within your means and budgeting your salary. but that's incomprehensible to most young folks. Determining the "need" vs. the "luxeries". And I am sure you were 18-20 in a different environment than that which exists today......true priorities are important.......but come on how can you compare different eras, gas is up healthcare up, cost of living up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by smashmowf Could not have said it better myself....I've got a wife and son and my healthcare cost equals my coworker's monthly Child Support payment....and he has two kids. :puke: Healthcare for a family is around 300 bucks at work right? Average child support is derived by the income of both parents minus daycare and (HEALTHCARE) costs and then the difference is paid to the other... I know cause I'm paying 800 a month child support and I have the children 15 of the 30 days: YES, that is right, 53 dollars a day for the 15 days she has the kids... Sometimes you have to cut other things to follow the law on things you've chosen to do: Like have children.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashmowf Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Im still waiting for someone to show me where our Constitutin says the Govt is responsibl for providing inexpnsive healthcare. Well you dont have to wait for the cost of spell check....cause that's free:cool: But seriously.....its not that people are looking for inexpensive healthcare...how about reasonable healthcare costs.....Would you check the constitution if gas was $35 a gallon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by topdog Bush sucking on the big drug companies.I wonder how some of these bush lovers would feel if there parents or grandparents had to make the decision to buy medicine or food Senior citizens don't mean **** to bush.He's already said he won't raise the minimun wage and he's trying to cut out overtime.What kind of morals is that when you **** the middle class and everyone below it?Two or three years from now you wont find hardly anybody say they voted for that SOB. Lets see if we can dispell the Kerry talking points once and for all. He lost so it really shouldnt matter, but now it's time for non-campaign season "truth". 1. Bush passed a prescription drug plan that kicks in next year. This plan closely mirrors the plan concocted by Mr. Kerry's partner in MA. Senetor Ted Kennedy. This is the first help for seniors's benefits in decades. 2. Raising minimum wage will only serve to hurt the Job market and economy as a whole. Incremental increases in costs would result and in effect, offset the raise over time. The Tax breaks that we all received (not just the rich, by the way) gives more $ in our pockets far beyond what a nominal increase in the bottomn wage would do. 3. The "cut overtime" comment is a myth, despite the hype we heard out of the DNC. The measure to modify overtime would have increased the opportunity for the lowest wage earners to earn OT (that they would not have beent elligible to have before) while dictating that people who earn over $100K a year would not be elligible. IT WAS FOR THE POOR!!! Do you really think that a six figure income earner really needs OT pay more than the working poor? I hope this little education session will help to show you the light. Next time you will have to research yourself. Henceforth, please don't make comments that are unsubstantiated or even disproven until you do the work to verify your stance. The anger and vitriol you showed, only hurts you in debate and minimizes any true points you may have. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashmowf Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by SkinsHokieFan I am 22, own my own business and pay for my own healthcare. Costs me about 130 dollars a month for some real comprehensive coverage. Get specialists as well as prescription drugs. If you have a part time job that is one week worth of pay. If you make 10 dollars an hour full time, that is a day and a half of work. Not too hard to find and afford buddy Try adding a wife and kids to that price buddy....I bet its much more that 130 dollars a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by smashmowf Well you dont have to wait for the cost of spell check....cause that's free:cool: But seriously.....its not that people are looking for inexpensive healthcare...how about reasonable healthcare costs.....Would you check the constitution if gas was $35 a gallon? Define reasonable? And show me where it's the Govt's responsibility to make sure it's reasonable. Why is that more of a priority than cheaper gas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashmowf Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by voltaire007 Stop the pity party. From the time I was 18 until I was 25, I paid for my own health care out of my own pocket because I CHOSE a job that did not offer it. I was able to pay for it because I got off my a$$ and researched and found good quality health care at a reasonable price (it takes all of 2-3 hours online). Sure, I didn't have a cell phone like some of my friends, sure I didn't have all the cable pay channels or even digital cable at the time, but I was fine because I got my PRIORITIES straight. What your young, naive brain hasn't thought about is how the entire quality of health care and medicine would deteriorate and how all of the working people's taxes would sky rocket if we had Gov't regulated Healthcare. I also find it humorous that this is still an issue after 8 years of Clinton. I remember his and her promises of taking care of the healthcare issue. So, remind me, why are we still talking about it? If Bush is so great, so awesome....why are you going back to Clinton when Bush is coming up on his 5th year......hmmm....why does Bush get the "free pass" all the time.....what is he accountable for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashmowf Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Define reasonable? And show me where it's the Govt's responsibility to make sure it's reasonable. Why is that more of a priority than cheaper gas? Come on buddy you cant mean that, personal health is always an important priority. As far reasonable, my healthcare for one child and a wife equals that of a man paying child support for two children.....that is not reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by smashmowf Come on buddy you cant mean that, personal health is always an important priority. As far reasonable, my healthcare for one child and a wife equals that of a man paying child support for two children.....that is not reasonable. I don't understand the comparrison of child support and health care here. Fill me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by smashmowf Come on buddy you cant mean that, personal health is always an important priority. As far reasonable, my healthcare for one child and a wife equals that of a man paying child support for two children.....that is not reasonable. I think it IS the priority. But this brings back to the question. How many people without healthcare have- Cellphones, Newer cars (or cars at all), Cable tv, enough money to go out at night. It is a priority. But not a Govt priority. It's an individuals responsibilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Socialized health care is a Pandora's box I do NOT want to open. The system is definitley not without it's flaws. Just sit down and imagine the DMV...but with doctors. Yippie, where do I sign up? But honestly...if you don't have health care then do something about it. You shouldn't sit around and pray for the government to give you every thing in your life. That is NOT what this country is about. It's about coming here and making something of yourself, not having the govt. do it for you. If you're currently upset about your situation, start going to community college at night and work to get a better job. It's NOT the government's fault and it's certainly not MY fault that everyone doesn't have health care, why should I have to pay for theirs too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashmowf Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by Thiebear Healthcare for a family is around 300 bucks at work right? Average child support is derived by the income of both parents minus daycare and (HEALTHCARE) costs and then the difference is paid to the other... I know cause I'm paying 800 a month child support and I have the children 15 of the 30 days: YES, that is right, 53 dollars a day for the 15 days she has the kids... Sometimes you have to cut other things to follow the law on things you've chosen to do: Like have children.... 300 a month....HA!......closer to 300 a check! Trust me my priorities are well in order.....My simple point is the healthcare is higher than is should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashmowf Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by Kilmer17 I think it IS the priority. But this brings back to the question. How many people without healthcare have- Cellphones, Newer cars (or cars at all), Cable tv, enough money to go out at night. It is a priority. But not a Govt priority. It's an individuals responsibilty. Man if somebody is buying cell phones etc. before healthcare they have some serious issues, but to me that still does not excuse the rising cost of healthcare.:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 I think you need to appreciate that there are two issues in your statement. 1- Healthcare costs are rising too fast and are already too high. 2- too many people dont have health ins. The two are not always intertwined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMat184 Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 TMat hasn't responded cause he was at work, which is where I'm going now also. You want to continue to call me out?? I'm far from a troll, this entire board is 75% right wing, conservative individuals so I didn't expect you to understand or agree. I'm a 20 year old SINGLE, YES I have coverage. I pay more then $400 a month for health insurance...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJasMD Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by TMat184 I'm 20 years old living out on my own. Many of you at this point in your lives can't relate to the struggle young people face today. I'm insulted because you all insinuated my friends must not have jobs and thats why they can't afford healthcare. Truth of the matter is, the cost of living is so rediculously high thats its tough to afford it all. I'm a young man going through it, I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand. I can relate with what your talking about, I'm 25 and I've worked for some crappy companies making nothing but I have never been without insurance. You just have to cut back on other things, stop going out alot, etc. You dont have to have a cell phone and a nice car. I feel bad for people paying way too much child support, the courst have to regulate this. This area is nuts, you cant even buy a house because of the housing market, other areas of the U.S. houses are still resonable. People have to stop blaming Bush for there problems, ITS NOT HIS FAULT. Personally alot of this crap is Bubba Clintons fault, and some is there own fault. I would like the government make a law though all businesses must supply health insurance for all its full time employees. Also to limit court payouts for malpractice or we wont have doctors to go to so insurance comes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by TMat184 TMat hasn't responded cause he was at work, which is where I'm going now also. You want to continue to call me out?? I'm far from a troll, this entire board is 75% right wing, conservative individuals so I didn't expect you to understand or agree. I'm a 20 year old SINGLE, YES I have coverage. I pay more then $400 a month for health insurance...... Why do you even comment on the political make-up of this board? First, 75% is a bit high from what I've seen here. Second, what does it have to do with the conversation at hand? NOTHING!! Political affiliation was more of a topic during campaign time. Here we are trying to have legitimate conversations about the state of health care and the issues pertaining to government assistance and entitlements. If you are paying over $400 per month for individual health care, then you were taken to the cleaners! I'd look for a different individual plan right away. Start a health savings account if you have too and add the earmarked money into it weekly. You could build up a heck of an emergency fund at a clip of $300 per month and save the extra hundred beans for other essentials. I'll never make light of the trials of first entering the workforce. I went through it like many who have posted. It sucked, but not as painfull as it appears when you prioritize properly. I do, however, take exception to any who claim this is President Bush's fault. There is only so much he can do beyond the tax break that he just gave you and your employer to offset health care costs. You woulkd be a lot worse off if you hadnt gotten that tax cut. Imagine if you had to pay your current health care costs AND the extra tax money to boot? Glass half full, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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