Kefka Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Here is the link <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br /> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/18/fbi.child.porn/index.html" target="_blank">CNN</a> <br /><br />Whats up w/ the increasing number of pedophile(sp?) priests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 It's due to the fact that priests aren't permitted to have families and kids of their own, thanks to some ridiculously outdated tradition.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 18, 2002, 07:46 PM: Message edited by: OrangeSkin ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romo Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 A main part of the problem is the out-dated traditions orangeskin mentioned that catholic priests are not allowed to marry. Another problem is the catholic church has helped cover up these type of problems to save face, even though it makes them look worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Huh? How would allowing them families prevent them from being pedophiles?<br /> That would imply that no married people are pedophiles?<br />Throw them in jail and let the prison justice system take care of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 It's far too complicated than just throwing them in jail. It starts at the top and trickles down. Cardinal Bernard Law had direct personal knowledge of these offenses. Priests admitted their crimes to him in writing, and yet he did nothing except approve millions of dollars in settlements. Those dollars were desperately needed in the parishes. <br /><br />And to answer your question Kilmer, it's no coincidence that men who aren't allowed to have sexual relations or express affection for the oppostie gender are pedophiles. They suppress their desires, and it comes out in unorthodox forms.<br /><br />If I'm not mistaken, the Catholic church was supposedly reformed hundreds of years ago because the entire church, from the pope to the preists, was corrupt. Looks like the time has come for another reformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 I agree with your first part, but the second doesn't fly with me. I'll leave it alone though.<br /><br />My prison comment was more about the retribution pedophiles receive in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 There does seem to be a problem here. And it's not just the priests and other people in positions of trust that are implicated in this ring. What you said Orange is troubling indeed. Don't like it, not one bit. <br /><br />However let's look for a second at the orgin of this article and with that in mind.<br /><br />I wouldn't call the these priests the perfect role models of of Catholocism. Yes there are as always, incidents where some of the ignorant people did injustice to the children but don't judge the entire Catholic religion for this. I mean when we see for example Rodney King getting literally beat up by the LA police officers, this does not mean all the police officers are corrupt. Or for example when recently police officers(all white) take a photo of themselves w/ one black suspect, we can't assume the whole network of police officers are oppressive towards the black community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 18, 2002 Author Share Posted March 18, 2002 Hmmm... that looks very familair. hehe. If your going to almost copy me word for word you should at least qoute me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />Like Romo sits to pee said, this starts at the top. What so amazing is the fact that is is not an isolated incident. This has gone on for a number of years. Whats the "Christian" view on this matter? Turn the other cheek?<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 18, 2002, 10:17 PM: Message edited by: Kefka ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> I don't know, seems to work for you doesn't it?<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 18, 2002, 10:47 PM: Message edited by: Park City Skins ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 19, 2002 Author Share Posted March 19, 2002 No, I do qoute people or publications when I copy their work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 Ok. I consider myself gently wrapped on the knuckles. The above response was a near quote of kefka's. Please see him on which one.<br /><br />By the way, you missed my point. Worked for you? Think about it.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 19, 2002, 01:46 AM: Message edited by: Park City Skins ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 By the way. That's "interesting." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 Tell ya what. I'll even put down the original.<br /><br />Wouldn't call the Talibans the perfect role models of Islam, wouldn't call them the "evil tyrannical rulers" as the media make them out to be either.<br /><br />They were hardly "oppressive" as a whole to the Muslim civilians. Yes there were, as always, incidents where some of the ignorant people did injustice to the Afghani civilians, but don't judge the entire Taliban people for this. I mean when we see for example Rodney King getting literally beat up by the LA police officers, this does not mean all the police officers are corrupt. Or for example when recently police officers(all white) take a photo of themselves w/ one black suspect, we can't assume the whole network of police officers are oppressive towards the black community. <br /><br />Compare mine and this one. Worked for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 The media doesn't make the Taliban out to be evil rulers, they make them out to be freedom fighters. I work in a newspaper (one dominated by liberal ideas), and it's disgusting reading editorials by my co-workers that say "We need to take a look at ourselves," especially right after 9/11.<br /><br />The Taliban was just a loose group of tryannical rulers that worked in cohesion with Al-Qaeda and in no way intended to help the Afghan people. If there was a decent person in the Taliban, why didn't the stand up and say "Let's stop this crap"? They're no different than Mussolini, Hitler and the like, except it's a bunch of Afghanis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 24, 2002 Author Share Posted March 24, 2002 Orangeskin,<br /><br />Hardly. Taliban were, most of them, young 'students'(Taliban means students) of ignorance. They followed whatever they were told to do. Knowing that it will give them and their familes a meal for the night. Not saying there weren't bad among them. But calling the Taliban tyrannical rulers is far from the truth. If you an example of Hilter and the nazis take a look at the zionist Israelis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn X Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Kefka:<br /><strong>Taliban were, most of them, young 'students'(Taliban means students) of ignorance.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Students of ignorance. Well, fascism is an ignorant ideology, to be sure. I believe this is the first accurate statement you've made on this matter, Kefka. Good for you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />The first time I heard the comparison made between the Taliban and the Nazis was on C-SPAN by an academic, who happened to be of Afghan extraction, at a major American university (the name of which currently escapes me). He said the Taliban, just like the Nazis, came into a situation where there was virtually no sense of law & order and filled that vacuum completely. Initially, the Afghan populace welcomed this because the wanton looting and violence had been brought to a halt. However, once the Taliban firmly ensconced themselves, they, like the Nazis, began tightening the noose on Afghanistan, all the while explaining their Draconian rules and methods away as "necessary for the public good."<br /><br />Of course, the reality is that the only ones who had it good under the Taliban regime were those who were charter members of the Taliban. If you weren't part of the lucky few who tooled around Kabul and Kandahar in black pickups, decked out in black turbans with Kalishnikov rifles at the ready, you were mere fodder for the wrath of the Taliban's paranoid morality police.<br /><br />P.S. With all of this talk of pedophilic Catholic priests, I think it's worth noting that (according to Fox News' Bill O'Reilly) the incidence of pedophelia in the Catholic church is supposedly at 6%, which is purportedly the rate at which it occurs in the general populace. I've yet to confirm these numbers on my own, however, so take that stat for whatever it's worth.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 24, 2002, 04:43 AM: Message edited by: Glenn X ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 24, 2002 Author Share Posted March 24, 2002 Glenn X,<br /><br />I know who you are talking about. If you go ahead and ask the public who are actually LIVING inside Afghanistan, the majority of them did not view the Taliban as "tyrants". The Taliban brought stability, law and order to the region. There are a lot of good people among them, much like there are amongst other people. A modern day example of Hitler and his nazis are the zionist Israelis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn X Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Kefka, you are, at once, maddening and hilarious.<br /><br />To say that there were "good" members of the Taliban is like saying that there were "good" members of Hitler's S.S. It scarcely matters if there were a few "good" individuals within these organizations, Kefka, because the organizations themselves were decidedly un-good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 "The Taliban brought stability, law and order to the region." - Kefka (who else?)<br /><br />You must be kidding! <br /><br />The Taliban may have brought their own law to PARTS of the region, but stability and order have been lacking, don't you think? Were they not fighting other tribes BEFORE we arrived? Yes, they were. The fighting in Kabul on the night of Sept 11, first thought to be quick retribution by the US, was actually an attack by the forces of the Northern Alliance.<br /><br />The Taliban had enemies in the North and enemies in the South. They did not rule the entire country and they had to fight and protect what they did rule. <br /><br />That, Kefka, does not sound like stability and order to me.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 24, 2002, 08:08 AM: Message edited by: Brave ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 24, 2002 Author Share Posted March 24, 2002 I'm guessing you like most Americans had no clue who the Taliban were or where Afghanistan was on the map until after Sep. 11 ... if I'm wrong please accept my appology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Again, diverting. Yes Kefka, I had heard of the Taliban before, 9/11. I remember hearing them mentioned several times in regards to the Christians being held there by the Taliban. Certainly several times in reports of fighting there between factions. Speaking of those christians, here's an article for ya.<br /><br /><a href="http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/700679.htm" target="_blank">http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/700679.htm</a><br /><br />Now, about what Brave said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Stability? That's like saying it's all right for a bunch of brainwashed students to come in here and take over the country, in the process banning all music, entertainment, censoring all media outlets, and working with a terrorist network to convert the rest of the world to Christianity. I don't care if Mother Theresa is a member of the Taliban, it needs to be eliminated.<br /><br />Sure, they joined for food. And I kill for money so I can buy food. What is the difference? Your arguements make no sense Kefka... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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