Thiebear Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 *********** www.drudgereport.com story ************* REPUBLICANS PLAN PUSH FOR ELIMINATION OF IRS **Exclusive** A domestic centerpiece of the Bush/GOP agenda for a second Bush term is getting rid of the Internal Revenue Service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. The Speaker of the House will push for replacing the nation's current tax system with a national sales tax or a value added tax, Hill sources tell DRUDGE. "People ask me if I’m really calling for the elimination of the IRS, and I say I think that’s a great thing to do for future generations of Americans," Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert explains in his new book, to be released on Wednesday. "Pushing reform legislation will be difficult. Change of any sort seldom comes easy. But these changes are critical to our economic vitality and our economic security abroad," Hastert declares in SPEAKER: LESSONS FROM FORTY YEARS IN COACHING AND POLITICS. "“If you own property, stock, or, say, one hundred acres of farmland and tax time is approaching, you don’t want to make a mistake, so you’re almost obliged to go to a certified public accountant, tax preparer, or tax attorney to help you file a correct return. That costs a lot of money. Now multiply the amount you have to pay by the total number of people who are in the same boat. You can’t. No one can because precise numbers don’t exist. But we can stipulate that we’re talking about a huge amount. Now consider that a flat tax, national sales tax, or VAT would not only eliminate the need to do this, it could also eliminate the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) itself and make the process of paying taxes much easier." "By adopting a VAT, sales tax, or some other alternative, we could begin to change productivity. If you can do that, you can change gross national product and start growing the economy. You could double the economy over the next fifteen years. All of a sudden, the problem of what future generations owe in Social Security and Medicare won’t be so daunting anymore. The answer is to grow the economy, and the key to doing that is making sure we have a tax system that attracts capital and builds incentives to keep it here instead of forcing it out to other nations." Developing... Wouldnt be my 1st choice, but it is my 2nd.... Right now the IRS code is sooo out of hand its rediculous.. Nobody can figure it out, including the IRS.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 WOW if this is true, you can't say he is conservative Cskin would vote for sure now :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Funny, but the GOP becomes more libertarian every day. Personally, I like the idea on the surface. Never thought of how much having the IRS costs many of us in tax prep fees, etc. Interesting, I'll need to think some more to make a final decision though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by jbooma WOW if this is true, you can't say he is conservative Cskin would vote for sure now :laugh: I will now join the multitude on this board proclaiming that you don't understand how "liberal" and "conservative" are used in modern-day politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by Ancalagon the Black I will now join the multitude on this board proclaiming that you don't understand how "liberal" and "conservative" are used in modern-day politics. I have to agree w/ booma, this is not typical "conservative" IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by Ancalagon the Black I will now join the multitude on this board proclaiming that you don't understand how "liberal" and "conservative" are used in modern-day politics. If you took a poll with voters today most would put republicans as "conservative" and democrats as "liberal", are they wrong, who knows?? That is up for interpretation. For a sitting president to go out and in his plan try to get rid of another government agency (IRS) is very amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 The replacement of the income tax with a simple flat sales tax (or VAT) is one of the best and easily feasible changes that could happen to this country. Almost every big problem is difficult. This one isn't. I've never understood why the idea has been resisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanatic Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 I've been calling for this, FOREVER!!! A flat tax would double our economy in ten years as well as creating a multitude of jobs, not to mention, erroding the power bases from BOTH parties and creating a more diverse voter base. The time is now. Let's push this one through. Vote, fair tax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SkinsHokie Fan Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Praise the Lord. I have wondered what the hell these guys have been waiting for. Republican Congress, Republican President, this tax code should have been changed. Unfourtantley Bush may not even get the chance to do this. Should have been done in 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 ABB just got much more powerful. YAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Wow...this is f*cking great to hear finally something out of the Republican party that I actually like to hear!!!!!! Its been a long time coming......the IRS is a huge waste of money...everyone should support this.. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by phanatic I've been calling for this, FOREVER!!! A flat tax would double our economy in ten years as well as creating a multitude of jobs, not to mention, erroding the power bases from BOTH parties and creating a more diverse voter base. The time is now. Let's push this one through. Vote, fair tax! This isn't a flat tax this is a national sales tax. If you look at the percent of income spent the curve is completely reversed. Middle class and low class will pay a higher percentage then the rich. When this gets out Bush will lose in a friggin land slide. Hey Mr. Poor man your milk is going to cost 10 bucks, vote Bush. Woohoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanatic Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino ABB just got much more powerful. YAY. Do you have a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by phanatic Do you have a point? read the next post smart guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanatic Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino This isn't a flat tax this is a national sales tax. If you look at the percent of income spent the curve is completely reversed. Middle class and low class will pay a higher percentage then the rich. When this gets out Bush will lose in a friggin land slide. Hey Mr. Poor man your milk is going to cost 10 bucks, vote Bush. Woohoo! It's called a step TOWARDS a fair tax. I would rather MOVE IN THE DIRECTION of this than wallow in a society that has nothing to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 so would accountants be against bush now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 While I don't believe this is out of line in any respect for a "conservative" I would think the attractiveness of simplifying our tax system would find supporters across the political spectrum. The hard part will be the details but I will hope for a simple approach with NO deductions possible. This will create a more equitable system for paying taxes, eliminate administrative overhead and make the masses more sensitive to changes in their taxes. Look how excited we get over the change in gas prices. (Still would rather have a flat tax though.) Such attention to taxes would be healthy for the country during a time when both parties like to hand out the goods. But then again who knows? A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:from bondage to spiritual faith;from spiritual faith to great courage;from courage to liberty;from liberty to abundance;from abundance to selfishness;from selfishness to complacency;from complacency to apathy;from apathy to dependency;from dependency back again to bondage. --Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanatic Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino read the next post smart guy. Thanks, smart guy. Some of us actually exist in "real time". Here's an idea. Stop pretending you've reached the pinnacle of liberal elitism, you have a LONG way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by phanatic It's called a step TOWARDS a fair tax. I would rather MOVE IN THE DIRECTION of this than wallow in a society that has nothing to offer. It's a giant step towards idiocy. A national sales tax punishes the classes that CONSUME their income. That would be the middle and the poor that live check to check. You will in fact be taxing them a MUCH higher percent then the rich. Also you will have a gaint reduction in comsumption of non essential purchases. Bad news for a huge number of small and large business. But hey making the rich feel loved is FAR more important. Like I said ABB would get monsterous over night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino This isn't a flat tax this is a national sales tax. If you look at the percent of income spent the curve is completely reversed. Middle class and low class will pay a higher percentage then the rich. When this gets out Bush will lose in a friggin land slide. Hey Mr. Poor man your milk is going to cost 10 bucks, vote Bush. Woohoo! I wouldn't go that far, at least IF any of this is true, the tax would be something creative, you know something Kerry has a problem with We all know about universal healthcare, but we all don't know about other methods instead of an income tax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by phanatic Thanks, smart guy. Some of us actually exist in "real time". Here's an idea. Stop pretending you've reached the pinnacle of liberal elitism, you have a LONG way to go. Don't get smart if you can't take wing nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanatic Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino It's a giant step towards idiocy. A national sales tax punishes the classes that CONSUME their income. That would be the middle and the poor that live check to check. You will in fact be taxing them a MUCH higher percent then the rich. Also you will have a gaint reduction in comsumption of non essential purchases. Bad news for a huge number of small and large business. But hey making the rich feel loved is FAR more important. Like I said ABB would get monsterous over night. Like a $10 gallon of milk? Priceless! Afraid of a plan that would render a good portion of these political discussions, mute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanatic Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino Don't get smart if you can't take wing nut. What would be your solution to the inevitable social security crisis? Tax the rich to the tune of sixty percent? it's already been proven that taxation will do NOTHING to solve the bubble created by the baby boomers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Destino did you ever think this would motivate the poor to get a job now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Originally posted by phanatic Like a $10 gallon of milk? Priceless! Afraid of a plan that would render a good portion of these political discussions, mute? Do you have any idea of the kind of class warfare such a plan would unleash. let me explain something to you. The bottom 50% of the US makes less then 29k a year. Can you grasp the simple concept that increasing the price of PRODUCTS to those that currently pay non or very little tax would create much more discussions and not less? You call me the elitist, while you make it clear you haven't pulled your head out and blinked the real world into focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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