wildbill Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Now that are special teams are looking good after god knows how many years the only position i am worried about is DT.I think with are CB's we can go with an average safety,but Kenard at tackle scares me,our linebackers should be solid now that poor tackling DS is gone and I expect big things out of Michael Westbrook and Jeff George,after all it is a contract year.Hail Skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 I am not sure whether Kenard will start at defensive tackle or not. I think he's the projected guy at the moment, but, I am betting the team is praying someone else steps up, either Cowsette or Monds, and gets the playing time. I'd MUCH rather have Lang spelling the defensive ends than working in at tackle on a full time basis. Of course, he'll be on David Terrell's side most likely, and you can bet we'll have a lot of defenses where he is creeping up a whole bunch. ------------------ Doom is in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 I keep having this fantasy of Monds being in shape and dominating Guards and centers in camp and eventually starting in the opener. K Lang at Tackle should occur only on passing downs. Terrell if he makes the adjusment to safety gives us in essence 3 Corner backs on every down ------------------ Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucs92 Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Why is everyone so comfortable with the CB situation? You've got Champ, who's one of the best on one side, but the rest is a bit of a mess. Sanders is slipping and likely won't be back anyway. Green is 41 and past his prime. He's certainly not a starter anymore And, you've got Smoot, who's never played a down in the NFL and though he was a good cover guy in college, benched 225 a grand total of 1 time at the combo (worst of all participants)......so he might get knocked on his butt by non-smurf receivers.......Terrell a 3rd corner? What exactly has he done? hello? ------------------ Champion of free sex changes and Displayer of delusions of grandeur (shaddup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMP Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 NavyDave, that's a good fantasy to have unless you also envision Monds in a bikini. I must be the only one who thinks Lang can play DT. With Smith, Wilkinson and Coleman on the line with Lang the opposing offensive line can't double team all of them on every play. Lang will get his fair shar of blockers no doubt. But I think with Mitchell and Smith behind Lang playing MLB, Lang should do well. Lang has not been known for his running play defensive stops. He's more an up the field pass rusher. I think as much as Lang is ****in and moanin about playing the interior he will do well. I agree with Art that Lang won't be able to play every down at DT. He's going to need support from Cowsette and Monds. Hopefully the Redskins rotate the line early in the games to keep them strong for the 4th quarters. ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/joe_gibbs/joegibbs_images/driver_prof_joe.jpg" border=0><IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/current_season/jgr_wc_18/jgr_wc_18_images/car/bobby_car_race.gif" border=0><IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/current_season/jgr_wc_20/jgr_wc_20_images/car/drive_pontiac_tony.gif" border=0> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 D@mn, you're good, but you might as well finish the job, bucs. You forgot to offhandedly dismiss Greer and Harrison. Tell you what, though ... do that, and then remind us how NFL defenses these days can't take advantage of having a shut-down corner on one side by giving occasional help on the other side ... and you'll have convinced me. Really. [ by Om on July 10, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucs92 Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 The smell of airplane glue is pungent around here. The issue with Lang at DT isn't that offenses will double the other guys.....they certainly won't need to double on RUNNING downs.....Smith is slipping against the run. Coleman is no run stuffer, and Lang will be run at weighing 277 lbs.......those LBs had better have tremendous speed and ball-hawking skills if Lang is playing DT on first and second down. And this Monds stuff is hilarious.....the guy was a 7th round pick for a reason.....talent with a 2 cent head....can anyone say Ryan Leaf? Plaxico Buress? There's a long list of guys who had the ability but not the discipline and desire to be good pros. We'll find out about Monds soon enough, but he sure didn't show much last year. ------------------ Champion of free sex changes and Displayer of delusions of grandeur (shaddup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucs92 Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Omie, Sorry if the blinding light of my posts hurts your eyes, but someone has to provide a dose of reality here in Candyland..... Did you watch the SB this year? Wasn't that the Giants with their shutdown corner getting burned by Trent "TD" Dilfer? Did you watch the Patriots last year with their shutdown corner getting burned in 1/2 their games? ....or do you close your eyes and dream of Deion roaming the field......and getting flamed out by the LIONS ------------------ Champion of free sex changes and Displayer of delusions of grandeur (shaddup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMP Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Ryan Leaf. Plaxico Burress. Mario Monds. Where's the connection? Leaf was a first round bust. Complete and absolute and on the Bucs trying to resurrect what some people call a career but I call a clip board holding job. Burress, also a first rounder, is in his second year and has certainly had more success after his first year than Leaf has had in three years. Monds was a 7th rounder. He ain't supposed to be the instant starter and I don't think anyone here is advocating Monds start alongside Wilkinson. ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/joe_gibbs/joegibbs_images/driver_prof_joe.jpg" border=0><IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/current_season/jgr_wc_18/jgr_wc_18_images/car/bobby_car_race.gif" border=0><IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/current_season/jgr_wc_20/jgr_wc_20_images/car/drive_pontiac_tony.gif" border=0> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Bucs92, Monds was a sixth round draft pick not a seventh round draft pick. What is, is, and I can't help it that you don't seem to recognize that the lack of knowledge you continually display makes you very humorous to behold. We aren't blinded by your light, we are snickering at your remarkable idiocy. But, that's you, and we must live with your limitations. Redskins fans hope Monds plays well enough to earn a starting position. No one is saying that's sure fire. No one is saying we even got a steal. All anyone is saying is we hope Monds lives up to his physical abilities and learns to play with consistency so that he may help limit our obvious weakness at the defensive tackle position. Of course, John Randle was a fifth round draft choice hasn't been too terrible at defensive tackle. Perhaps if only first round players made it in the NFL we could eliminate the rest of the draft. Obviously, you must consider no one drafted after the third pick as anyone who can succeed. More is the pity to behold that flaming light you offer. You are correct that Smoot had a 1 next to his 225 bench. Smoot also had the number 1 next to his run/pass recognition positional ranking. He also had a 1 next to his positional coverage skills ranking. He also had a 1 next to his closing speed positional ranking. He also had a 1 next to his ball skills positional ranking. He also had a 1 next to his overall positional ranking. So, yes, let's limit him to solely his negatives, since that's all he has going for him. Good argument there master of the oblivious. The Redskins have young speed players in the secondary, and David Terrell, as a convert corner, has very solid coverage skills for a safety. That you don't understand something does not make it questionable. Learn more before you speak lest you appear this foolish every time you speak. ------------------ Doom is in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucs92 Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 KMP-----the connection wasn't the round they were drafted in, rather it was undeniable talent blended with a 2 cent head in each player, which to date has produced disastrous results for Leaf and Buress......No one knew about their issues when drafted (or they certainly weren't deemed serious)......people know Monds' history which is why he fell so far. And read the posts on this topic as far as Monds' playing is concerned. It seems some of your Skinjun breathren think/hope/pray he can be in there on running downs.....my point was merely that a fat, out-of-shape, lazy DT who needs to build up his upper body strength is not going to be a major contributor for the Skins in '01 and maybe not ever......he's a gamble, a flyer, which is fine, but Corey Simon, he ain't. ------------------ Champion of free sex changes and Displayer of delusions of grandeur (shaddup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Bucs92 I'm wondering how many times Donnie Abraham could bench 225 and what that has to do with his coverage skills? Deion won't be on the skins so we don't need to talk about him. I think all of us would feel comfortable with Darrel or Mr. Smoot starting especially since they will be getting help from Terrell. We are in agreement that Champ will lock down one side against ANY receiver (do you hear me Randy Moss and Keyshawn Johnson?). So that leaves a CB, who at 41 is still better than half the corners in the league, or a rookie corner with the best cover skills of anyone in the draft on the other side. I think I'm pretty comfortable with that situation. In fact, I think our situation at CB is better than every team except Miami or maybe Philly. Did anyone hear me say Tampa? Didn't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucs92 Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Artie, The fact that you can make-up arguments and drop silly comments on them doesn't make anyone else ignorant. I think of you sitting in your pathetic cubicle next to the other systems weenies reading Dilbert and going through mental masturbation exercises about being the next Skins' GM......though it's clear you couldn't run a Pop Warner team. Try to get over yourself. I'm sure everyone on this board has by now....your somnambulant verbosity glazes the eyes, and your pathetic attempts to build yourself up with patronizing language smack of personal insecurity and questionable virlity (perhaps cause and effect).... I will say Artie on your one relevant passage that Smoot wasn't rated "1" by everybody in all of those categories. Did you hear about Nate Clement? He was the consensus top corner in the draft. Smoot has cover skills, but he's a wimp with a 2 cent head......Hmmmm, that's two picks with 2 cent heads......maybe a new Marty trend! ------------------ Champion of free sex changes and Displayer of delusions of grandeur (shaddup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 I remember mock drafts all having smoot being the 1st overall CB in the draft. Well, he's got personal issues and is some kind of a thug. Then he dropped to the 2nd round and all the "experts" with the exception of a few said Washington got a Steal. This isn't the Dallas rookie CB challenge like last year. All but one have been in the NFL for at least a year. Looks like Deion will be back so Champ and Deion with Darrell as the Nickel...then Smoot, Harrison, Greer. Looks like the CB's won't be an issue again. You can leave those guys on an island and stack the line since we really DO need a DT.....except if we play Tampa since Dunn is so tiny or we can just expect Alstott to fumble. ------------------ Pootie Tang whoop your ass so bad, you can write it off on your taxes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Actually Art---John Randle was un undrafted free agent (positive about that) out of Texas A&I (i think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucs92 Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Dirk, dude,...... Time to go off the nose candy and get yourself into a 12 stepper.......3rd best CB situation in the league? You don't even know who's going to be playing this year.....at this point you're a lot of questions and nothing more.... now shoo. ------------------ Champion of free sex changes and Displayer of delusions of grandeur (shaddup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Hey Rupaul--I mean Bucs92 Name a team with 3 better corners besides Miami and Philly. Try to back yourself up with something besides "Time to go off the nose candy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucs92 Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Ohhhhhh!!!!! Artie the invincible is making up baloney now!!! Artie, can you please use facts instead of fantasy when you post? Randle was never drafted and went to Texas A&M Kingsville......I think building your team around undrafted FAs is a great strategy Artie......very high probability of success.... ------------------ Champion of free sex changes and Displayer of delusions of grandeur (shaddup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMP Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 And as we all know the Bucaneers are the gold standard of success in the NFL. How many Super Bowls is it? ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/joe_gibbs/joegibbs_images/driver_prof_joe.jpg" border=0><IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/current_season/jgr_wc_18/jgr_wc_18_images/car/bobby_car_race.gif" border=0><IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/current_season/jgr_wc_20/jgr_wc_20_images/car/drive_pontiac_tony.gif" border=0> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucs92 Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Dirk, stop being silly. In no particular order I'd take: Ravens Jets Falcons Bucs Rams Dolphins Eagles You'd also have to consider Oakland Tennessee Giants Lessee.....that's 10 without even breaking a sweat! ------------------ Champion of free sex changes and Displayer of delusions of grandeur (shaddup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Reading is a fundamental skill you may wish to utilize as you reach puberty Bucs92. To answer your question, no, I've never heard of Nate Clement. In fact, no one has ever heard of Nate Clement. I have heard of Nate Clements though, if that's the player you were discussing. Of course, since you don't know his name, you probably have no idea how he was rated. I don't recall saying everyone had Smoot rated No. 1. I said Smoot had a 1. Of course, we can certainly take your "consensus" No. 1 and see how true that is. Who did TSN have No. 1? How about ESPN/Kiper? Which corner did CBS Sportsline have going first? Not only did CNNSI have Smoot No. 1, but they had Clements No. 7, limiting him as a consensus pick all alone, wouldn't you agree? If the above list of fairly informative football sites had Smoot as the top corner, would you think perhaps you are an utter moron for even suggesting Clements was the top rated corer by consensus? Wouldn't the facts above totally dismiss you, if your lack of even knowing Nate's name doesn't? Yes, Nate was No. 1 by Pro Football Weekly and Joel Bauchbaum (spelling). Even where Clements was rated the top overall corner, almost no one rated him the top coverage corner, as that was nearly a universal honor to Smoot. Smoot did lose ground in overall rankings due to his limited desire in run support. You go on now and continue having dreams about me in any fashion that will make these brutal encounters for you more enjoyable. Head to head, you are losing your self-professed knowledge points awfully quick. But, I'm sure you did really know the cornerback's name you were discussing here. You are a bright boy you say. But, as I've so ably demonstrated, you are the one who appears to be making stuff up. Dream a little dream and I'm sure that quarter will come my lad. And remember, what is, is. You can't change it by making stuff up. ------------------ Doom is in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 "Omie?" Ouch. Think of that all by yourself, Ru? I just don't get it, I guess. Not sure I understand the message board cultural phenomena that spawns an act like yours. Does the anonymity of it all somehow make you feel taller; like maybe you've got a pair? Are you this way in a bar, too, I wonder, or only in the safe anonymity of the net? I'd hate to think what the other girls might do if you carried on so in public. Heck, you might break a nail. You're right, though, the flaming light of your posts is too much for me, so I bow before your magisterial incandescence. I just wish I could grow up to be so glib, so witty and clever, so able to turn a flame-worthy phrase. Not sure I could pull off the whole mascara thing, though. Anyway, Your Magnificence, you're trolled your way over here, and obviously relish the attention. Happily for you, there are plenty of others here more than willing and able to continue to render your occasional "hey, look at me" drive-by's laughable ... and they do it far better than I. Enjoy it while it lasts ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Dirk, you may be absolutely correct, and I stand corrected if so. I may be misremembering and do seem to recall Randle wasn't drafted. I'll take your word for it over mine though if you have a more sound recollection. One can not change facts. ------------------ Doom is in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Facts are this, Washington was like #2 against the pass last year. Darrell was also missing for 3 or 4 games last year. We add a high ranked rookie and a decent FA. Why should they be any worse? Is Sanders hitting .400 in the minors? no. He don't have carrier anymore? He was missing games just because he hits like John Lynch with the exception that he gets called for it. oh yeah, the Giants CB's suck since a team like Baltimore lit them up on an international stage. Take those frauds off your list. ------------------ Pootie Tang whoop your *** so bad, you can write it off on your taxes! [ by Bufford on July 10, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucs92 Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Artie, That was very weak even by your own low standards. I love feeling the frustration welling up in you as you pathetically rant and rave about nothing.....perhaps you're an existentialist football fan Artie....hmm....I kind of like that. Railing at me for a typo as a sign of ignorance and then not being able to spell Buchsbaum is pretty weak. Boy, you really got me there! Even weaker is your selective listing of sources naming Smoot 1. I'll spare the board the rebuttal, but suffice it to say that by draft day there were more sources listing Clement 1. Lastly, you say Smoot was the best cover corner as if being good at that one aspect of the job was all that mattered.....sure, Clement is the best overall CB, but the Skins have the best COVER CORNER...... ------------------ Champion of free sex changes and Displayer of delusions of grandeur (shaddup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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