Snakehandler Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 If Bledso does find his way to Buffalo, I don't see why we can't hop up in front of the Bengals and get our QB of the future,. With Jacksonville and Minnesota needing Offensive Line help, I think we can swap first round picks and maybe a third or fourth to close the deal with either team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 it'll take more than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 read my lips: NO MOVING UP!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 don't count on using that #4 pick, I think we may have flipped it in the Loverne trade...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyskinsfan Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 If he's there at 18 sure it would be hard to pass him up. Should we wait until the middle of the second round for our DT pick???? or OL pick????? do we pass them up as well, keeping in mind we signed Loverne from the trade, thus we give up a fourth or fifth, who would be key.<br /><br />I see Harrington gone on general principle before the 7th pick, and I see some surprises from 10 on.<br /><br />If we are the ones, we'd need a little more umpf, as Bufford said, but we just can't rule out the trade up for him. Those options are still on the table and the shuffeling starts on Draft Day. The only deal that could be made is a swap of safeties, IMO with those picks and we give a mid-rounder in 2004. That would make it interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 In my mind the Redskins need to come out of this draft with potential starters with the #1 and #2 picks.<br /><br />The idea of taking a guy to sit on the bench the entire 2002 season and maybe 2003 as well to me is a mistake.<br /><br />Teams have shown repeatedly in recent years that you don't need to use a #1 pick and give a guy a $5-$8 million bonus in order to get an effective quarterback.<br /><br />And certainly the talent we have in surrounding spots justifies the argument that we should be looking to WIN football games this season.<br /><br />Let me put it this way. I HOPE some other team takes Harrington in the top 10 picks and this point becomes moot on draft day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Just say no to QB this year we have the gators and Sage already.<br /><br />And in 2k3 the draft will be heavy with comparable QBs Eli Manning,Leftwich,Grossman,etc.<br /><br />Take care of the lines now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 There's no way that little will get us into the Top 10. Hell, we saw the trades of late to move up a few spots in the first round and how much you have to surrender to do so. Harrington is a nice guy to get at No. 18. Otherwise we have to sit tight and take the best available player we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novato Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 I totally agree with Art, if Harrington falls to us great, if not, we fill areas of need (DE, DT or OG).<br />His development would take a year (at least) and right now we need starters, a DT or DE can start right away even a OG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 I think I have to disagree with some of the assessments of Harrington's ability to play. He's not going to sit a year or two on the bench.<br /><br />Joey Harrington is the most ready-to-play college QB since Peyton Manning. He's got tons of game experience in a pro-style offense in a major football conference. He's got tons of leadership skills and is probably the equal of Peyton Manning when it comes to being a student of the game.<br /><br />Look. I'm not saying Harrington will be ready to start on opening day. But if Donavan McNabb, coming out of an option offense in college, can start 6 games as a rookie and be pretty effective, I'd say Harrington can be AT LEAST as effective sooner.<br /><br />As soon as Harrington learns the offense, he's going to be ready to start. The fact is, you only learn by running it under live fire. And you're just going to have to live with the mistakes. My feeling is it's better to do it now than later. You are going to get the same stuggles with Sage Rosenfels, because he's never started an NFL regular season game, either. Sage is an intreaguing guy, but you're kidding yourself if you think he's as sharp as Harrington. Harrington is already better fundementally. Even with Sage sitting a year on the bench, Harrington is ahead of Sage in development. Once Harrington learns the offense, all he needs to do is learn to adjust to NFL game speed. You can only do that with playing time.<br /><br />If Harrington's there, you have to snag him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 agreed, we need a minimum of two starters out of this draft, not a project. so no, no way we trade up. but, if he's there at 18, well you know what to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakehandler Posted April 9, 2002 Author Share Posted April 9, 2002 It's wierd reading all of the crap that's around the Internet. One day I get the feeling Harrington will fall into our laps at 18, the next day there are three teams that want him that are picking ahead of us. Bottom line, if he is there at 18, we take him! I'm I right or am I wrong Ron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 I think the Redskins are up to something. They're<br />bringing in Harrington and redoing contracts to<br />increase cap room...makes me wonder if this is<br />smoke and mirrors for a big move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 I was thinking about some of the posts I've read here about a draft day splash and us potentially trading up, and I was wondering what the realistic cost might be to do so.<br /><br />I would assume that we'd do it to get Harrington, and that we'd have to get into the top 5 to be reasonably certain.<br /><br />I didn't research this thoroughly, just went and looked at our own history as a guide:<br /><br />In 1999, Ditka traded an entire draft (1 through 7) PLUS the next season's 1st round pick to move up to our #5 slot from the #12 slot. That's only 7 places.<br /><br />Then during that same draft we gave that #12 in the first round, plus a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks in 1999, plus a 3rd rounder in 2000 to move up 5 slots to #7 to grab Bailey.<br /><br />In 2000, we gave a #24 and a #12 and a 4th rounder to get to the #3 slot. But that was with a 49er team eager to trade down to reduce it's cap impact.<br /><br />So what would it cost us to move from #18 to #5 (likely the lowest we could go and still be reasonably sure of Harrington)?<br /><br />I can't imagine anything less than our entire draft plus our 1st next year. And maybe more, #18 to #5 is a long way to go.<br /><br />Some folks say that we might throw in a player, but Davis hits us with too big a cap hit, and which of our young franchise cornerstones would we be willing to trade plus picks to get Harrington?<br /><br />And is he worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyskinsfan Posted April 10, 2002 Share Posted April 10, 2002 Interesting that you mentioned the #5 spot. As Riggo44 pointed out, the smoke and mirrors could very well be in effect. Why?<br /><br />1. Jerry Jones and crew pick at #6, unless that is unloaded for multiple picks in late #1 and middle #2 and #3, at which the trading team would do a bundle to move up even more. For the Cowboys that is a dangerous and franchise sinking move. So JJ is more dangerous picking ahead of us, if we break the top 10 on a bold move.<br /><br />2. Did someone say BOLD move??? Consider Steve Spurrier's rep. Consider Dan Snyder's, Vinny Cerrato and a nail biting Mendes, pleading to make sure there's room under the roof. Now picture a Stephen Davis re-structure, two players released, while picking up these positions (probably WR and ST, while these being at lower costs than those released at a given date). <br /><br />The trade can't happen until Draft day, but the winks and nods are there and if it's to materialize, it would have to be Harrington, because Wynn was immediately signed (smoke and mirrors <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> - he was waiting in the wings). The same way this COULD go down.<br /><br />It's the intrigue that draws you in, because these four guys (SS, Lewis, Cerrato and Mendes) along with Dan Snyder have made headlines with the players and deals they have made over the past 5-7 years! don't put it past them to deliver another surprise on April 18th.<br /><br />Let me see here, NASCAR, NBA Playoffs, Masters, Home Run derbies, WNBA, and bikini season, yet, it's APRIL and the Skins are at it again with the spotlight! Go figure.<br /> <br /> <small>[ April 10, 2002, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: indyskinsfan ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted April 10, 2002 Share Posted April 10, 2002 No way we trade UP. It will cost to much. Thats suicide to get Harrington. If he's there at #18 you take him. Otherwise we need two starters with our #1 and #2 picks out of this draft. A guard, wide receiver, DL, etc. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCinOz Posted April 10, 2002 Share Posted April 10, 2002 In fact the most sensible approach is trade up with our second round pick to a higher spot in the second round.<br /><br />For example, if Harrington dropped to us at #18 and we picked him, we then would look at line help in round 2. If a Weaver or Simmons were on the board when the second round starts we may look to move up then to get one of them (alah the trade up to get Jansen in 1999).<br /><br />Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted April 10, 2002 Share Posted April 10, 2002 THat makes more sense to me PC, if we are gonna trade up at all.<br /><br />Although there is a trade up option in the first round that I can forsee - one of the top 4 DTs drops to anywhere for 12 to 14, and at that point triggers a trade up from us. But I can't see us trading up more than 4 or 5 spots, 6 tops.<br /> <br /> <small>[ April 10, 2002, 08:03 AM: Message edited by: Terry ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakehandler Posted April 10, 2002 Author Share Posted April 10, 2002 I'm reading alot about teams trying to trade down. Lions, Bills, Bengals etc. It would be a crock if a team traded down to 15 or 16 and still got Harrington. <br />IMO, Sage is not the MAN! And I don't want him to be a Band-Aid until next year. That just puts us one more year out of the hunt. We need to get the MAN, this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CounterTre Posted April 10, 2002 Share Posted April 10, 2002 Snakehandler huh? What kind? Dumerils and Suriname Red Tail breeder here <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakehandler Posted April 10, 2002 Author Share Posted April 10, 2002 Down here below the Mason/Dixon line we mess around with a little bit different type of snake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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