Baculus Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Wouldn't that be more accurately descried as contempt of court or failure to appear fine?We don't do debtor prison....yet But give the scum time If you go to prison for not paying a debt, that is a sort of debtors prison. It is just a round-about way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Blue Dogs are not immune from right-wing propaganda, especially if they represent Republican areas.If you repeat something often enough, then people, especially their constituents, will believe it. :hysterical: you mean like your attempt at criminalizing medical debt? http://www.usmarshals.gov/process/body-attachment.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 So Catholics and other Pro-Lifers are going to jail unless they support federally funded abortions?... .....The bill will not fund abortions......... WrongYou are repeating a myth. Let's stick to the facts, shall we?See BelowIt seems a myth many Dem reps believehttp://www.memeorandum.com/ TrueBlue Dogs are not immune from right-wing propaganda........Propaganda like this?.....On line 17, p. 110, section 222 under “Abortions for which Public Funding is Allowed” the Health and Human Services Secretary is given the authority to determine when abortion is allowed under the government-run plan. The Speaker’s plan also requires that at least one insurance plan offered in the Exchange covers abortions. What is even more alarming is that a monthly abortion premium will be charged of all enrollees in the government-run plan. It’s right there on line 16, page 96, section 213, under “Insurance Rating Rules.” The premium will be paid into a U.S. Treasury account - and these federal funds will be used to pay for the abortion services. Section 213 describes the process in which the Health Benefits Commissioner is to assess the monthly premiums that will be used to pay for elective abortions under the government-run plan. The Commissioner must charge at a minimum $1 per enrollee per month. http://republicanleader.house.gov/blog/?p=666 Obama said Federally Funded Abortions would not be a part of the healthcare plan......If Pelosi's plan does pass......I guess will will know who wears the skirt in the WH Is the Hyde amendment applicable here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Mandating health coverage IS certainly novel here in the US as are fines and jail time. Wow, you're right. The US Government has never imposed fines or jail time on people who don't pay their taxes, before. Obviously a clear sign of the coming of the Antichrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 You can get jailed for an unpaid hospital bill as well. No you can't. You have to read about 4 pages of information before the article mentions that he was jailed for failing to appear in court. Four times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Wow, you're right. The US Government has never imposed fines or jail time on people who don't pay their taxes, before. Obviously a clear sign of the coming of the Antichrist. so it is gonna be a tax? under what statute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 So Catholics and other Pro-Lifers are going to jail unless they support federally funded abortions?Nice Do you feel bad when you spread lies to keep people uninsured or does it feel good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Do you feel bad when you spread lies to keep people uninsured or does it feel good?Please post your PROOF that abortion will not be in any way funded/subsidized by the governmentAnd when you can't.....please appologize for calling me a liar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Please post your PROOF that abortion will not be in any way funded/subsidized by the governmentAnd when you can't.....please appologize for calling me a liar these poor deluded souls seem to have bought into abortion being funded for some reason as well...wonder who's lying to them? Must be those right wing nutjobs:evilg: http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1109/The_abortion_deal.html Female Democrats on the Rules Committee, including Rules Chairwoman Louise Slaughter, left the room during consideration of the Stupak amendment and didn't cast a vote. Reproductive rights groups quickly blasted the deal. "This amendment would violate the spirit of health care reform, which is meant to guarantee quality, affordable health care coverage for all, by creating a two-tiered system that would punish women, particularly those with low and modest incomes," said Cecile Richards, the president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America in a late-night release. "Women won’t stand for legislation that takes away their current benefits and leaves them worse off after health care reform than they are today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 No you can't. You have to read about 4 pages of information before the article mentions that he was jailed for failing to appear in court. Four times. Well, that's rubbishy on the part of the article. That pretty much poo-poos my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 ......president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America in a late-night release. "Women won’t stand for legislation that takes away their current benefits and leaves them worse off after health care reform than they are today.Thanks TWA........I was just going to post thatIf the healthcare bill DIDN'T include funding for abortion......why vote on a SEPERATE AMENDMENT that would stop it?..... The US Conference of Catholic Bishops had opposed the Pelosi plan because of its federal funding for abortions. Now that Pelosi has allowed the Stupak amendment to come to a vote today, a rider that would more forcefully ban any federal funding for abortion coverage, the USCCB has announced that it will endorse the Pelosi plan.... http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/pelosi-caves-to-stupak/ I Thought Obama promised no federal funding....so why is it even in there and requires an amendment to TAKE IT OUT? I guess Destino is waiting on the vote on the Stupak amendment to decide if he needs to apologize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I guess Destino is waiting on the vote on the Stupak amendment to decide if he needs to apologize? I know that currently many insurance companies cover it under certain plans, but I don't consider my dollars going to it if I use the same company and different plan. I see this entire argument as cowardly bull**** thrown out there by those afraid they will lose this fight. This is the same crap done with Death Panels. Ignore the status quo and pretend the government plan is the only one that would do such a thing. Want me to apologize for that? Not happening. Maybe for once you should argue why YOU oppose something instead of following the tactic of GOP "leaders" which is just to try to piss as many people off as possible with half truths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 so it is gonna be a tax?under what statute Why do you ask questions which 1) Have already been answered multiple times in this thread 2) Including, I think, the third sentence of the original post. 3) Which you already knew the answer to even before the thread was started. 4) And which we all know you're going to continue to pretend that you're incapable of grasping, even if it's pointed out to you, again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 these poor deluded souls seem to have bought into abortion being funded for some reason as well...wonder who's lying to them?Must be those right wing nutjobs:evilg: He said, pointing to a proposed amendment which, if passed, would forbid private insurers from allowing customers to chose to purchase a plan which covered abortions. But then, why would I expect honesty in a debate about health care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Thanks TWA........I was just going to post thatIf the healthcare bill DIDN'T include funding for abortion......why vote on a SEPERATE AMENDMENT that would stop it?..... It does nothing of the kind. Reading is fundamental. What the amendment does is forbid private insurers from allowing customers to chose to be covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Why do you ask questions which 1) Have already been answered multiple times in this thread 2) Including, I think, the third sentence of the original post. 3) Which you already knew the answer to even before the thread was started. 4) And which we all know you're going to continue to pretend that you're incapable of grasping, even if it's pointed out to you, again? Because it is not as simple as you make out http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/09/22/gruber-on-whether-mandates-are-taxes/ gee where's that honesty and transparency there?:saber: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 .....try to piss as many people off as possible with half truths.From a Lie to a half truthYour halfway home Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 It does nothing of the kind. Reading is fundamental. What the amendment does is forbid private insurers from allowing customers to chose to be covered. Only those participating in the exchange:halo: repeat after me No one will have to change ins as a result of this legislation Keep your laws off my ins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Because it is not as simple as you make outhttp://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/09/22/gruber-on-whether-mandates-are-taxes/ gee where's that honesty and transparency there?:saber: He said, changing the subject again. The subject of this thread is "Comply With Pelosi-Care Or Go To Jail". It's a lie. The original post said so. The truth is "Pay your taxes or go to jail". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 He said, changing the subject again. The subject of this thread is "Comply With Pelosi-Care Or Go To Jail". It's a lie. The original post said so. The truth is "Pay your taxes or go to jail". But Pelosi care is a tax...ergo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 From a Lie to a half truthYour halfway home Destino I consider the same thing. Don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 But Pelosi care is a tax...ergo No it isn't. Never was. Never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Do people boycott their private insurance if it covers abortions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I consider the same thing. Don't you?Just having some fun Ok, it was half a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 No it isn't. Never was. Never will be. Then explain how going w/o out it becomes a fine and a tax liability? There is no tax liability now...with Pelosicare there is Magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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