chaught76 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Hey gang: Got another question for you all. I know there is a lot concern about offense, so I didn't want to start another thread about that, so I had idea about something different for our defense. Would the defense benefit more from using our Cobra package as our base defense? I think it would for the following reasons: 1) It keeps Orakpo on the D-line where he belongs. I like Daniels, but let's face it; how effective can he be with a torn arm muscle? 2) Horton will be on the field more. The guy is playmaker, so why not use him like a safety-linebacker hybrid. 3) Doughty will be on the field more. Reed is much better in coverage than Horton and very intelligent. 4) Summation of points 2 & 3, it uses more of our strengths. Our safeties are pretty darn good, using the cobra package puts more playmakers on the field. 5) Teams would have to spend a little more time game planning against us because we wouldn't be using one of the run of the mill 4-3 or 3-4 defensive packages. That's it. I hope I can start a good conversation, because things seem pretty down around here right now. Peace and HTTR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambrus Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 sounds good to me, let me know what the coach thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homercles82 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 What is the lineup for a Cobra package? 4 downlineman, 2 LB, 2 corners and 3 DBS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 is the cobra formation kinda like a 46 defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDragon38 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 What is the lineup for a Cobra package?4 downlineman, 2 LB, 2 corners and 3 DBS? That's what I think it is. Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, Orakpo on the line. Fletcher and McIntosh as LBs. Horton, Landry, and Doughty as safeties, and of course Rogers and Hall at corner. The only problem with it is going against jumbo packages. Lots of speed but very little in size past the second level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Cobra 4-3 4 DL/w Orakpo @ DE a Safety @ SAM Horton/Moore BTW- We use this often sometimes we even use nickel/dime Cobra where a S comes in for LB/CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Our new D-Coord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 We could have a chant... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlsWsqQpWDQ&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch_Lives59 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 This is a Cobra package that teams would fear more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 This is a Cobra package that teams would fear more... Sweep the leg, sweep the left, same thing right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramdizzle Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 This is a Cobra package that teams would fear more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 What the hell is the Cobra package? It sounds like what's in Orakpo's pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Cobra 4-34 DL/w Orakpo @ DE a Safety @ SAM Horton/Moore BTW- We use this often sometimes we even use nickel/dime Cobra where a S comes in for LB/CB It's the closest you will get to a 4-6 defense the way it's lined up and played, but we don't play our corners up close to the line and receivers like the 46 is suppose too, it's definitely our strength at defense I think. It's also the only package that we can get any pressure on the QB, and we would have 3 turnovers on this package alone if Carlos Rogers could catch a dayum ball. Here's an image of the true 46 line up, difference is our Cobra keeps corners off receivers, and puts a safety, "usualy Reed" into the LB area where he can blitz or cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 It's actually more like a 4-6 defense the way it's lined up and played, it's definitely our strength at defense. Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Cobra defense + wildcard offense = championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaught76 Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 In an attempt to get this thread back on track. The cobra package as the Redskins have used it in the past is made up of: - 4 D-line men - 2 LBs - 3 Safeties - 2 Cornerbacks It is different from the traditionally defined 4-6 defensive because a 4-6 still uses 3 LBs typically bunched more to the strong side of the formation a safety walked up to the weak side. Effectively, the following base personnel would be used in the formation: - Orakpo, Haynesworth, Griffin, Carter - Fletcher, McIntosh - Horton, Landry, Doughty - Hall, Rogers Since Horton is a bigger, more physical safety, the idea would be to play him closer to the line of scrimmage as a hybrid SLB/SS role. Also, since our safeties are a strong part of this defense, this package would better utilize our talents and get Orakpo's hand in the dirt. Jumbo packages would be offensive counter-punch to this defensive formation; however player alignment and horizontal field position can be used to help minimize the effectiveness of the jumbo package against this defensive formation. Hope that helps and gets this thread back to a football related discussion. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Actually sounds like a really good idea. Horton and Doughty both get on the field, and Orakpo is at DE. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Not really.Yes it is! I just don't see any other package where we can get close to a QB, but then again I think Blache is allergic to rushing the QB :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 In an attempt to get this thread back on track.The cobra package as the Redskins have used it in the past is made up of: - 4 D-line men - 2 LBs - 3 Safeties - 2 Cornerbacks It is different from the traditionally defined 4-6 defensive because a 4-6 still uses 3 LBs typically bunched more to the strong side of the formation a safety walked up to the weak side. Effectively, the following base personnel would be used in the formation: - Orakpo, Haynesworth, Griffin, Carter - Fletcher, McIntosh - Horton, Landry, Doughty - Hall, Rogers Since Horton is a bigger, more physical safety, the idea would be to play him closer to the line of scrimmage as a hybrid SLB/SS role. Also, since our safeties are a strong part of this defense, this package would better utilize our talents and get Orakpo's hand in the dirt. Jumbo packages would be offensive counter-punch to this defensive formation; however player alignment and horizontal field position can be used to help minimize the effectiveness of the jumbo package against this defensive formation. Hope that helps and gets this thread back to a football related discussion. Peace. Good break down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Horton is well suited for that walkup safety role, but it seems to me that Landry's talents would make him well suited for that too. He seems underutilized as the way-back free safety - though I don't know who could fill that role to free Landry for the walkup role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 so its just a 46 with an extra saftey instead of a linebacker. fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny555 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 This is a Cobra package that teams would fear more... :hysterical: Dude, Im DYING!!!! Theoretically, it sounds good. And even with jumbo packages, I still think Horton would be able to shed blockers. But, I think coaches are really smart but stubborn. It's THEIR way, how they run their defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 so its just a 46 with an extra saftey instead of a linebacker.fine by me. That's all the 46 is, they play the corners and a safety in the LB area. It only has 3 real LB's and 4 Linemen like our D, but the 46 jams receivers at the line to screw up the offenses timing, and over loads the LOS sending someone free to the QB. Buddy Ryan was a master at this defense.Our Cobra puts RAK and AH along side each other, and gives our safety and LB's the option to blitz. If our corners would bump receivers, we would have more sacks and turnovers I believe. It would destroy the offenses timing, giving us another second or two for a sack, or causing young QB's to force balls. We need to play this package much more, because our typical 4-3 defense is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacoby6644 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Totally, totally, totally agree with having Orakpo on the DL more. I'm not a big fan of the LB experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekhmet728 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Because of our lack of depth at linebacker and the fact that Orakpo is MUCH better at pass rushing and run stopping than pass coverage, I think that the nickel formation as a whole is our strength. Cobra speaks for itself. Landry, Doughty, and Horton are very good safeties. Doughty almost looks like a linebacker at times. Moore is a very good 4th safety to rotate in too. On the other side of it, the normal nickel package is also good. Fred Smoot might be the best nickel corner in the league. We may not have the shut-down corners some other teams have, but our depth is really undeniable. The obvious weakness here though is our vulnerability to downhill running. Less size means we're more easily muscled. Because of this I would favor using Cobra and Nickel packages as often as possible, but switching to Cobra as our base package seems a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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