Ant15fromNJ Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 I really cant stand him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gutlead74 Posted August 30, 2009 Author Share Posted August 30, 2009 Mason in a Simular situation pounded it in.....just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefPowhatan17 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 I didn't think he was the short yardage back. It should be Mason, he gets the yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gutlead74 Posted August 30, 2009 Author Share Posted August 30, 2009 I didn't think he was the short yardage back. It should be Mason, he gets the yards. Every time we get in close Portis comes off the field and Betts waltz's his way into the huddle and cha chas for loss of yards:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGhost Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 If you Betts Bashers could find a stat showing that Portis has a much superior goal-to-go efficiency than Betts, stated as a percentage, you could support your claim.All I know is that Clinton was given more opportunities, thus more TDs. That doesn't prove anything and neither does your mindless repetition of the same unsupported claims. how about this: portis is mentioned in potential hall-of-fame discussions; betts is not portis gets more looks because he's better.... sorry i didn't give you any percentages... oh wait here's one: portis is 100% better in pass pro... :pokeye: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 That's right, everything else being equal, the number of carries has no impact on the YPC. First, a correction -- Riggins YPC was 3.9. But, you can't compare his YPC to Joe Washington's because they were different types of runners. It's like trying to compare apples and oranges. Power runners like Riggins are expected to have lower YPCs as a group. Joe Washington was an outside runner whose YPC mixed in big plays and greater inconsistency than Riggins' YPC (see the explanation and the link I gave QBkiller). We can compare Betts and Portis because they have similar running styles. If Portis was the much superior runner, he should have a much better YPC. I disagree with your interpretation. Betts has a smaller number of carries and yet manages only to equal what Clinton has achieved. How you can take that and then extrapolate that to 300 carries and just assume that Betts would be able to match or better Clinton is just speculation on your part. Fact, Betts has never carried the load for a single season, let alone 5 seasons. As for my analogy, how about George Rogers then. He ran in the same offense and was a "power back". Geoger average 4.2 yards per carry on 697 carries in his Redskin career. Or what about Gerald Riggs? He averaged 3.9 yards on 402 carries. Both are better than Riggins' 3.6. Are they better players/runners than Riggins? By your rationale, yes they were. Doesn't matter if they had significantly less carries, they are the same type of runners as Riggins and yet had a better YPC. On top of it, while Riggs (like Betts) never was able to carry the full load for a season, Rogers did. So I could make an even stronger case (using your logic) that Rogers was just as good as Riggins than you can make with Portis and Betts. Also you mentioned about goalline percentage in another post. NFL.com does not list that but it does list the carries from the 19 to the endzone. Since 2004 (both players running with the same offense/players around them) Clinton 215 carries 38 touchdowns 17.67% Betts 72 carries 8 touchdowns 11.11% Betts' best percentage was 2006. 23 carries and 4 touchdowns for a 17.39%. So Betts' "best" season, he could not even match Clinton's AVERAGE for 5 seasons as a redzone runner td percentage. I have to assume you are at this point just being a devil's advocate and know that by any measure, Clinton is the superior player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGhost Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 I have to assume you are at this point just being a devil's advocate and know that by any measure, Clinton is the superior player. great post.... only a small minority of fans would disagree... case closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gutlead74 Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 great post.... only a small minority of fans would disagree... case closed The biggest problem with Betts is never being healthy, always hurt. Cant make plays from the tub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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