luckydevil Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/30/weu30.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/04/30/ixnewstop.html 'Old Europe' presses ahead with plans for an EU army By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels (Filed: 30/04/2003) "Old Europe" threw down the gauntlet at the feet of Britain, the United States and the Atlantic Alliance at a mini-summit yesterday, unveiling plans for a new Euro-army with its own military headquarters. France, Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg - described by some in the US as the "Axis of Weasel" - vowed to press ahead with a full-fledged defence union, brushing aside warnings that the move would entrench the European Union's bitter divisions over Iraq and could lead to the break-up of Nato. A new rapid reaction force would be built around the existing Franco-German brigade, taking in Belgian commandos and units from Luxembourg. It would answer to a headquarters in the Brussels suburb of Tervuren and be ready for joint operations next year. Jacques Chirac, the French president, insisted that the plans would bolster Nato by making Europe a more credible partner for Washington, and denied there was an attempt to set up a rival to Nato's operational command. "The aim is not to decouple European Union and Atlantic Alliance defence efforts," he said. But M Chirac gave out mixed signals when he gently rebuked Tony Blair for advocating a "one polar world" and warning of a new Cold War if Europe tried to become a rival power to America. "Quite naturally a multi-polar world is being created, whether one likes it or not. It's inevitable. For balance to exist, there will have to be a strong Europe. Relations between the European Union and the United States will have to be a partnership between equals," said M Chirac. He invited all 25 of the EU's current and future states to join the new defence core, but the so-called New Europe camp - led by Britain, Spain, Italy and Poland - has reacted with deep suspicion. Ana Palacio, the Spanish foreign minister, said the proposals were "counter-productive" and would cause needless division at a delicate time. Nato came close to buckling earlier this year when France, Belgium and Germany refused to sanction delivery of Patriot missiles to Turkey, a fellow member. A Nato spokesman reacted cautiously to the new plans yesterday, saying he was "concerned about the risk of unnecessary duplication". The four leaders called for the creation of a "European Command for strategic air transport" by 2004. The new force would have to rely on US airlift or leased Ukrainian planes until the Airbus A400M military transport aircraft was ready for service later in the decade. There will be a "joint European protection capability" against weapons of mass destruction, a tactical training centre for pilots and helicopter crews, and an "EU-FAST" emergency relief unit for humanitarian crises. Separately, the group have proposed a European weapons procurement agency and a "solidarity clause" binding EU states to face all forms of risk together as elements to be included in the new European constitution. It was unclear how the new machinery would fit into the EU's existing defence structure. Brussels already has a rapid reaction force, and military staff, which can draw on up to 60,000 personnel from member states. It began its first mission in Macedonia last month. But it is limited to peacekeeping and relies on Nato operational command. While superficially similar, the new force is a different animal. It will be a fully-integrated Euro-army, and seems intended for combat in the future. The picture is further confused by the parallel defence plans agreed by Mr Blair and M Chirac at Le Touquet in February calling for a joint Anglo-French aircraft carrier battle group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanatic Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: "we don't like your aggresive nature, um, unless we need you to liberate us again". 260,000 American lives were lost in WW2. Over 400,000 Americans were wounded. They now want a unified solidarity from the US? Their precious UN will fall without our finacial support and military backing. Once again we see those who "posture" against our might by which they have been afforded their freedom. :shootinth Whatever. They always crawl back to us when they realize we fund over 1/3 of the worlds social programs. I guess capitalism works after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 They are going to run into huge ego problems, there is no immediate threat posed, so their focus will be on bureaucracy and ensuring their own interests. And once Russia enters the picture, how are Germany and France going to feel about playing second fiddle? I'd venture to guess this is also a big reason why Poland decided to support the US; they saw this rift forming and for understandable reasons, aren't thrilled at the idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Okay, how about we meet in the Rhein Valley for starters? All of them have had huge success there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddha Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Once again, I offer this solution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted May 1, 2003 Author Share Posted May 1, 2003 If they actually do create a Eu army, it will be an economic disaster. I guess one good thing that could come out of this is it will prove socialism just doesn’t work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Everyone - PLEASE READ what I'm about to say. This is EXACTLY what France and Germany tried to do in 1990 under Mitterand and Kohl. It was to be called the WEU, or Western European Union. The previous Bush made the mistake or trying to discourage it. :doh: Mitterand (the late former French Prez) proclaimed they would have a coordinated fighting force that would handle all future security problems specific to Europe without any US influence or interference. Anyway, just as they rolled out all the blueprints for it, war broke out in Yugoslavia. The French and Germans debated endlessly, but couldn't make any kind of decision. Here was a problem that was specifically European in nature, and they had no fvcking clue how to handle it. Soo, they swept the whole WEU thing under the rug to hide their embarrassment over their utter paralysis in the face of any real test :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (and no action was ever taken in Yugoslavia until later when Blair convinced the US to get involved ) Now that there are no conflicts, suddenly they figure it's time to start posturing again. Hey guys - YOU SUCK!!!!!!:finger: :finger: :finger: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsbadd Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 This is not a bad thing for us. It's about time that they started pulling thier own weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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