DWinzit Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Eli Manning before the playoff run was a bust...All of a sudden he manages games and wins the Superbowl before of the defensive line and he's considered a good QB? I don't think so... Manning raised his level to Trent Dilfer after the playoff run... Before playoff run he was at Ryan Leaf, after playoff, Trent Dilfer... Gilbride doesn't make Eli throw interceptions, nor does he tell Eli to overthrow 6 foot 6 inches wide receivers... Blaming offensive coordinators for Eli's failures is getting old... Yeah Eli has always been and probably always will be inconsistant. And yeah he had a great DL that should have received the SB MVP. He grew out of Ryan Leaf some time ago...that however is saying little.As to the Trent Dilfer theory, it is possible that this will be a great comparison. Trent was veteran who was out there not to lose games with a great defense and runner game to back him. Based on what I'd seen of Eli since Shockey went down had been a better team leader on and off the field. Good coordinators make their players better, Gilbride is not a good coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 It's a good thing that article had a big picture...Giant fans have trouble with big words and concepts. Awesome! You fellas need some crayons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Best part is where Strahan states there are about five guys doing the wrong thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Joe Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 It's a good thing that article had a big picture...Giant fans have trouble with big words and concepts.Awesome! You fellas need some crayons? Actually, yeah I do. How'd you know? I ran out of gray trying to recreate this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Joe Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Eli Manning before the playoff run was a bust...Three consecutive playoff berths, top 5 TD finishes, 29-19 record over the last 3 years, and part of the highest scoring QB-WR combo in the NFL since he became a full time starter = bust to you?All of a sudden he manages games and wins the Superbowl before of the defensive line and he's considered a good QB?He was already a good QB. But winning a Superbowl certainly didn't hurt.Before playoff run he was at Ryan Leaf, after playoff, Trent Dilfer...Can you provide any actual facts to support this Ryan Leaf comparison? And Dilfer didn't even make his first playoff appearance until his 4th season.Gilbride doesn't make Eli throw interceptions, nor does he tell Eli to overthrow 6 foot 6 inches wide receivers...Eli and Plax have been the most productive pair in the NFL since 2005. And Gilbride is a decent coordinator. John Hufnagel on the other had was awful(numerous Giants' players and, I believe, their former GM have stated as such), and Eli still won the NFC East in his second year with the team.Blaming offensive coordinators for Eli's failures is getting old...What failures are you referring to? Not winning the Superbowl in his second or third season? Drafting Eli has been a massive success for the New York Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kitten Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Three consecutive playoff berths, top 5 TD finishes, 29-19 record over the last 3 years, and part of the highest scoring QB-WR combo in the NFL since he became a full time starter = bust to you? Please clarify... If Eli Manning was the QB of the St. Louis Rams, would he have made the playoffs three consecutive times? Making the playoffs 8-8 isn't a big accomplishment... I wonder if you can post the game stat for Eli Manning from the Carolina Panthers game... He was already a good QB. But winning a Superbowl certainly didn't hurt. Giants fans and the New York Media thought otherwise... Can you provide any actual facts to support this Ryan Leaf comparison? And Dilfer didn't even make his first playoff appearance until his 4th season. No unfortunately, it's simply my rational opinion... One that is shared by any non-biased football fan... Eli and Plax have been the most productive pair in the NFL since 2005. And Gilbride is a decent coordinator. Plaxico Burress makes any QB look good... Eli still won the NFC East in his second year with the team. I guess it was all Eli... Tiki Barber having an MVP season didn't have anything to do with it... I understand... Eli was the reason for Tiki Barber's MVP season... What failures are you referring to? Not winning the Superbowl in his second or third season? Drafting Eli has been a massive success for the New York Giants. That's not looking at the draft rationally... If you had drafted Ben Roethlisberger or Philip Rivers, the Giants would be an ELITE team right now... Along with a Superbowl win... Unfortunately, you're stuck with Eli, who is nothing but a game manager, and won't sniff the Superbowl ever again... He's keeping you team back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Joe Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Please clarify... If Eli Manning was the QB of the St. Louis Rams, would he have made the playoffs three consecutive times?Who knows? The sequence of events that would have had to occur for Eli to end up on the Rams would have caused a ton of ripple effects throughout the league in the past 4 years.Making the playoffs 8-8 isn't a big accomplishment...It's not a bad one either. And the Giants were among the league leaders in IR'd players with, I believe, 20 that year.I wonder if you can post the game stat for Eli Manning from the Carolina Panthers game...10/18 113 yds 0 TD 3 INT 35.0 QBRGiants fans and the New York Media thought otherwise... One, most of them thought Osi was a reach in the draft, too. Two, there were a lot of fans who did and still do agree with me.No unfortunately, it's simply my rational opinion... One that is shared by any non-biased football fan...So, it's completely unsupported by any facts?Plaxico Burress makes any QB look good... So do T.O., Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Randy Moss, Chad Ocho Cinco, and TJ Houshmandzadeh, and a bunch of other players throughout league history. Most good QB's need good WR's. If you're saying Eli hasn't reached Tom Brady's level yet, I'd agree. Although Plax did play all of last season on one leg, and he strained his MCL in the week prior to the Superbowl to the point where he was a game-time decision.I guess it was all Eli... Tiki Barber having an MVP season didn't have anything to do with it... I understand... Eli was the reason for Tiki Barber's MVP season... Eli finished in the top 4 in TD passes that season. When the previous year, the Giants did not complete a touchdown to a starting WR until week 17. That's not looking at the draft rationally...If you had drafted Ben Roethlisberger or Philip Rivers, the Giants would be an ELITE team right now... Along with a Superbowl win... Unfortunately, you're stuck with Eli, who is nothing but a game manager, and won't sniff the Superbowl ever again... He's keeping you team back... The Giants are one of 4 teams to have been to the playoffs the last 3 years in a row and they just won the Superbowl. The only evidence you've produced that Eli is holding them back is your unsupported prediction that they won't make it to ANOTHER Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfA4 Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Jesus Christ himself could be the Ram's QB and still wouldn't make the playoffs. Kitten it's pretty evident that Eli Manning could cure cancer and you would still find fault in him. Unfortunately, you're stuck with Eli, who is nothing but a game manager, and won't sniff the Superbowl ever again... Doesn't anyone else find that funny? A year ago that sentence would have been "Unfortunately, you're stuck with Eli, who is nothing but a game manager, and won't sniff the Superbowl ever..." You are relegating Eli Manning to only being a one time superbowl winner and MVP? I guess us poor Giants fans should really be pittied, we only get to celebrate 1 Superbowl victory with Eli Manning around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kitten Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Who knows? The sequence of events that would have had to occur for Eli to end up on the Rams would have caused a ton of ripple effects throughout the league in the past 4 years. Yeah OK... The Rams already have a good QB... Marc Bulger is 5x better than Eli... My point is that you keep saying Eli brought the Giants to the Superbowl... That's like saying Trent Dilfer lead the Ravens to a Superbowl win... 10/18 113 yds 0 TD 3 INT 35.0 QBR Poor Giants... They ask Eli to be game manager, he comes out throwing darts to other teams... Let me guess, it's not Eli's fault... Gilbride and Coughlin made him throw the ball to the other team... One, most of them thought Osi was a reach in the draft, too. Two, there were a lot of fans who did and still do agree with me. But most fans agree with me... We know Eli is nothing more than a below average QB and at his best an average QB... So, it's completely unsupported by any facts? Not scientifically no... Sure I can ring up 1000s of stat to prove Eli sucks, but you already know what they are... So do T.O., Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Randy Moss, Chad Ocho Cinco, and TJ Houshmandzadeh, and a bunch of other players throughout league history. Most good QB's need good WR's. If you're saying Eli hasn't reached Tom Brady's level yet, I'd agree. Although Plax did play all of last season on one leg, and he strained his MCL in the week prior to the Superbowl to the point where he was a game-time decision. One big difference... Eli with Plaxico can barely surpass 75 QB Rating... Peyton with Harrison and Wayne throws for 49 TDs... Romo sits to pee with T.O. throws for 35+ TDs... Get the point? Eli with Plaxico should be tearing up the league... He isn't... Imagine him without Plaxico to bail him out every play? He would be benched... The Giants are one of 4 teams to have been to the playoffs the last 3 years in a row and they just won the Superbowl. The only evidence you've produced that Eli is holding them back is your unsupported prediction that they won't make it to ANOTHER Superbowl. Whatever spin you want to put on it... Eli Manning is the weakest link in that team... Ask any Redskins fan on this board and they'll tell you they're not scared of Eli Manning and they don't think he's special... Jesus Christ himself could be the Ram's QB and still wouldn't make the playoffs. Eli Manning would be riding the bench... Kitten it's pretty evident that Eli Manning could cure cancer and you would still find fault in him. I see what majority of NFL see... An average at best QB who got was just on the right team at the right time... Doesn't anyone else find that funny? A year ago that sentence would have been "Unfortunately, you're stuck with Eli, who is nothing but a game manager, and won't sniff the Superbowl ever..." Actually, this just shows you what Coughlin and Reese have put together... Whenever a team wins a Superbowl with an average at best QB, the rest of the players should get the at most respect... Trent Dilfer won the Superbowl, but he was actually better QB than Eli Manning... I am sure of it if the Giants havd Big Ben or Rivers, Giants would have destroyed Tampa, Dallas, and Patriots... This year, they'd be looked upon in the same level as Patriots and Colts... Unfortunately, with a average QB no one can take the Giants very seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiSupaFlyNuka Posted September 21, 2008 Author Share Posted September 21, 2008 Eli gave Little Kitten a wedgie back in middle school. He's been mad ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiSupaFlyNuka Posted September 21, 2008 Author Share Posted September 21, 2008 Here you go lil BBI banned buddy....Read up. GIANTS NOTES: - Followed his father, Archie, and brother, Peyton, into the NFL…Archie was the 2nd pick of the 1971 draft and played 14 years with New Orleans, Houston and Minnesota. Peyton was the 1st choice of the 1998 draft, is a 2-time NFL Most Valuable Player and was the winning quarterback in Super Bowl XLI. - Manning was named the Most Valuable Player of Super Bowl XLII after completing 19 of 34 passes for 255 yards, two touchdowns and an interception that caromed off Steve Smith’s hands. It was the 22nd time in Super Bowl history a quarterback was named MVP and the 2nd year in a row a Manning won the award. - Manning was the 27th different starting quarterback to win a Super Bowl and the second Manning. His brother, Peyton, led the Indianapolis Colts to the title in 2006. The Mannings are the 18th set of brothers to play in the Super Bowl and the 1st pair of brothers to play quarterback. - Manning joined Phil Simms in Super Bowl XXI and Ottis Anderson in Super Bowl XXV as Giants who have won the Super Bowl MVP award. - Manning was the 7th quarterback taken with the first overall selection in the NFL Draft to start a Super Bowl. The others are Terry Bradshaw (4-0 in Super Bowls), Jim Plunkett (2-0), John Elway (2-3), Troy Aikman (3-0), Drew Bledsoe (0-1) and Peyton Manning (1-0). The former No. 1 choices are 13-4 in Super Bowls. - Manning was the 4th starting quarterback for the Giants in their 4 Super Bowls. The others were Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler and Kerry Collins. The Giants are the 1st team to start a different quarterback in each of their first 4 Super Bowls. Only 2 other teams have started 4 different quarterbacks in a Super Bowl, though not in the franchise’s first 4 games. The Raiders started Daryle Lamonica, Ken Stabler, Jim Plunkett and Rich Gannon. Washington’s 4 Super Bowl quarterbacks were Billy Kilmer, Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien. - Manning is the first quarterback to wear No. 10 and win a Super Bowl. The only other starting quarterback to wear No. 10 in a Super Bowl was Minnesota’s Fran Tarkenton in Super Bowls VIII, IX and XI. - Manning’s arrival marked the 1st time the Giants came out of a draft with the top player selected since 1965, when they chose Auburn running back Tucker Fredrickson. - Record as a starting quarterback is 30-25 in the regular season and 4-2 in the postseason. - Manning has started the Giants’ last 55 regular season games, the 3rd-longest streak among active quarterbacks entering the 2008 season. Peyton Manning is 1st with 160 consecutive starts, followed by Tom Brady with 110. Brett Favre retired after the 2007 season with 253 consecutive starts. - Manning’s 55 starts in a row give him the 2nd-longest consecutive starting streak among Giants quarterbacks since 1980. Kerry Collins started 67 straight games from 1999-2003. The team record of 69 in a row was set by Tarkenton from 1967-71. - From 2005-07, Manning threw 29 touchdown passes to Plaxico Burress, the most by NFL quarterback-wide receiver tandem during that time. Burress has caught Manning’s 7 longest career scoring passes and 9 of the top 10. CAREER HIGHLIGHTS: - Has played in 57 regular season games with starts in his last 55 appearances and has started all 6 postseason games in which he’s played. In the regular season, Manning has completed 987 of 1805 pass attempts (54.7 percent) for 11,385 yards with 77 touchdowns, 64 interceptions, a long pass of 78 yards and a career quarterback rating of 73.4. He is 5th in franchise history in attempts, completions and yards and 6th in touchdowns…Twenty five of his 77 touchdown passes (32.5 percent) were in the 4th quarter or overtime. - His 164 career postseason passes, 98 completions and 1,131 yards leave him 2nd on the franchise’s playoff lists in all 3 categories. He trails Simms, who threw 279 passes and had 157 completions and 1,679 yards. Manning’s 8 postseason touchdown passes leave him 3rd, behind Simms (10) and Collins (9). Of his 98 playoff completions, Amani Toomer has caught 24 for 311 yards. Burress has caught 23 for 310 yards. - In 2007, Manning started all 16 regular season games and 4 postseason games…Led the Giants to their 3rd consecutive postseason berth. They are 1 of just 4 teams to make the playoffs in each of the previous 3 seasons. The others are Indianapolis, New England and Seattle…Completed 297 of 529 passes for 3,336 yards, 23 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. The 3,336 passing yards were the 2nd-highest total of his career, and the 23 touchdown passes were one less than he threw in each of the previous 2 seasons. He is the 2nd Giants quarterback in history with 3 consecutive seasons with more than 3,000 yards and 20 touchdown passes. Phil Simms did in from 1984-86. - In the 4 postseason games, Manning completed 72 of 119 passes (60.5 percent) for 854 yards, 6 touchdowns and 1 interception. - Made his 40th consecutive start in the season opener at Dallas (9/9) and tied a career high – and set a new personal best in a road game - by throwing 4 touchdown passes while completing 28 of 41 throws for 312 yards. Three of the scoring passes went to Plaxico Burress, the other to Derrick Ward. Manning also threw 4 touchdown passes against St. Louis on Oct. 2, 2005….Threw for more than 300 yards for the 5th time in his career and for the 1st time since he had a career-high 371 yards at Philadelphia on Sept. 17, 2006…Manning’s 60-yard touchdown pass to Burress in the 1st quarter was the 3rd-longest of his career. He threw a 78-yarder to Burress at Oakland on Dec. 31, 2005 and a 61-yarder to Burress vs. Philadelphia on Nov. 20, 2005…Left the game in the 4th quarter with a bruised shoulder…Despite the injury, Manning started the next week vs. Green Bay. - Led the Giants to their 1st victory of the season at Washington (9/23), where he completed 21 of 36 passes, including the game-winning 33-yarder to Burress in the 4th quarter. - Completed 27 of 39 passes for 303 yards with 2 touchdowns and 2 interceptions in a Monday night victory at Atlanta (10/15)…It was his 2nd 300-yard game of the season and the 6th of his career – all 6 have been on the road. The Giants are 3-3 in games in which Manning throws for at least 300 yards. - Tied his season high with 28 completions at Detroit (11/18)…Tied his career high by throwing 53 passes vs. Washington (12/16). - Manning threw a career high-tying 4 touchdown passes vs. New England (12/29). Two of the scores went to Plaxico Burress and 1 each to Brandon Jacobs and Kevin Boss. Manning also passed for 4 touchdowns on Oct. 2, 2005 vs. St. Louis and Sept. 9, 2007 at Dallas…Completed 22 of 32 passes for 251 yards and 1 interception for a passer rating of 118.6. It was his highest rating of the season; his previous high was 113.1 at Dallas. - Opened postseason play by completing 20 of 27 passes for 185 yards, 2 touchdowns and no interceptions in NFC Wild Card Game victory at Tampa Bay (1/6)…Became the 5th Giants QB to win a postseason game in the Giants Stadium era (since 1976), joining Simms, Jeff Hostetler, Collins and Scott Brunner. - Completed 12 of 18 passes for 163 yards and 2 touchdowns to Toomer in NFC Divisional Playoff Game at Dallas (1/13). Did not throw an interception…Manning’s rating of 132.4 was the highest of his career…His 52-yard touchdown pass to Toomer was his longest postseason completion. The previous long was a 29-yarder to Plaxico Burress at Philadelphia on Jan. 7, 2007…Successfully engineered a two-minute drive to the second quarter by completing 4 pass for 56 yards on a 7-play 71-yard drive in just 46 seconds that resulted a 4-yard touchdown pass to Toomer to tie the game at 14-14 at halftime. - Played another turnover-free game and set career postseason highs with 40 passes and 21 completions while throwing for 251 yards in the NFC Championship Game victory in Green Bay (1/20)…Increased his streak to 101 consecutive postseason passes without an interception. - Manning was named the Most Valuable Player of Super Bowl XLII after completing 19 of 34 for a career postseason-high 255 yards, 2 touchdowns and an interception that caromed off Steve Smith’s hands the Giants’ victory over the New England Patriots…Led the Giants on their game-wining 4th quarter drive by completing 5 of 9 passes for 77 yards and a 13-yard touchdown pass to WR Plaxico Burress. The most memorable play on the drive was a 32-yard completion to David Tyree, who secured the ball against his helmet after Manning eluded the grasp of numerous Patriots defensive lineman…Threw a 5-yard touchdown pass to Tyree early in the 4th quarter that was set up by passes of 45 yards pass to Kevin Boss and 17 yards to Steve Smith…Manning improved to 4-2 as a starting quarterback in the postseason. He is just the 2nd Giants quarterback to win as many as 4 postseason games in the Giants Stadium era; Simms won 6 postseason games from 1984 through 1993…Manning was intercepted by cornerback Ellis Hobbs with 11:53 remaining in the 2nd quarter. It was the Giants’ first offensive turnover in their 4-game postseason. The offense had gone 34 possessions and run 213 plays without turning over the ball. The previous turnover had been in the regular season finale against the Patriots – also an interception by Hobbs of a Manning pass. Manning had thrown 103 consecutive passes without an interception, including 95 in the postseason throws. He had thrown 111 postseason passes in a row without a pick, dating back to the 1997 season…Manning threw 2 interceptions in the Giants’ last 5 games and Hobbs had both of them. - In 2006, started all 16 regular season games and the NFC Wild Card Game, the team’s 2nd consecutive postseason berth…Completed a career-high 301 of 522 regular season passes for 3,244 yards, 24 touchdowns (tying his career best), 18 interceptions and 77.0 QB rating…His 522 pass attempts were the 6th-highest total in Giants history. The 301 completions topped the 294 completions he had in 2005, his 1st full season as a starter. It was the 4th season in history that the Giants had a quarterback complete 300 passes. Kerry Collins had the other three: 335 in 2002, 327 in 2001 and 311 in 2000…Manning’s 24 touchdown passes matched his 2005 total and left him tied for 4th in the NFL with St. Louis Pro Bowler Marc Bulger…Manning was the 1st Giants quarterback to throw at least 20 touchdown passes in consecutive seasons since Simms did it three years in a row from 1984-86 - Completed a career-high 31 passes on 43 attempts for a career-high 371 yards with 3 touchdowns and 1 interception for a QB rating of 111.7 at Philadelphia (9/17)…His 37-yard touchdown pass to Toomer ended the first series of the game and a 22-yard scoring pass to Toomer in the 4th quarter brought the Giants within 24-21 with 3:28 remaining…Efficiently drove the team down the field in the final 58 seconds to set up Jay Feely’s 35-yard game-tying field goal. On the drive, Manning was 3-for-4, including a 22-yard completion to Tim Carter with an Eagles defender pulling him to the ground…In overtime, Manning completed 8-of-8 passes for 83 yards, including a 31-yard touchdown pass to Burress to give the Giants a 30-24 comeback victory after they trailed by 17 at the start of the 4th quarter. - Threw a 50-yard touchdown pass to Burress in the 1st quarter to give the Giants a 7-0 lead at Dallas (10/23). - Completed 5-of-6 passes for 45 yards on the Giants’ game-winning drive that ended in a 3-yard touchdown pass to Jeremy Shockey to give the Giants a 14-10 victory vs. Houston (11/5). - Finished with 17 completions on 33 attempts for 172 yards with 3 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, a long pass of 45 yards and a QB rating of 97.0 at Carolina (12/10)…Game long 45-yard pass to Burress was followed by a 28-yard touchdown pass to the same receiver in the 2nd quarter…Completed a 12-yard pass to Tyree on 4th-and-10 to extend a drive that would later result in a 32-yard field goal…Manning’s 25-yard pass to Shockey on 3rd-and-5 late in the 2nd quarter set up a 2-yard touchdown pass to Shockey that gave the Giants a 17-10 lead at halftime…Manning’s 3-yard touchdown pass to Tyree in the 3rd quarter was his 3rd of the game and 22nd of the season. - Threw a season-long 55-yard touchdown pass to Burress which was his longest of the season and gave the Giants a 7-0 lead in the first quarter vs. New Orleans (12/24). - Finished with 16 completions on 27 attempts for 161 yards with 2 touchdowns and 1 interception in the NFC Wild Card Game at Philadelphia (1/7/07)…The Giants scored on their opening possession when Manning threw a 17-yard touchdown pass to Burress…Tied the game at 20-20 with an 11-yard touchdown pass to Burress in the 4th quarter. - In 2005, started all 16 regular season games and the NFC Wild Card Game in his 1st full season as the starting quarterback…Led the Giants to the NFC East championship…Completed 294 of 557 passes for 3,762 yards with 24 touchdowns, 17 interceptions, a long completion of 78 yards and a QB rating of 75.9. The pass attempts and passing yardage were career highs…The 557 passes thrown was the 2nd-highest total in team history. Kerry Collins threw 568 passes in 2001…Manning’s 24 touchdown passes were the most by a Giant since Fran Tarkenton had 29 in 1967. - Completed 12 of 24 passes for 204 yards, 1 touchdown and no interceptions in a victory at Oakland (12/31) that clinched the division title…Threw a career-long 78-yard touchdown pass to Burress. - Completed 28 of 44 passes for 312 yards, with 1 touchdown and 3 interceptions, and ran for a score at Philadelphia (12/11). Threw a 4-yard touchdown pass to Tiki Barber on the Giants' 1st possession. Scored on a 1-yard quarterback sneak in the 2nd quarter, the 1st rushing touchdown of Manning's career and the first by a Giants quarterback since Kurt Warner scored on a 1-yard run vs. Cleveland (9/26/04). - Threw a career-high 53 passes (completing 29) for 344 yards, 2 touchdowns and 1 interception at Seattle (11/27). The 53 passes were the most thrown by the Giants since Collins had 59 at New England (10/12/03). It was the 12th consecutive game in which Manning threw at least 1 touchdown pass, 3 shy of the Giants record set by Y.A. Tittle from 1962-64. Threw a 7-yard touchdown pass to Shockey in the 2nd quarter to give the Giants a 10-7 lead. His 13-yard completion to Shockey converted a 3rd-and-10 on the Giants' game-tying drive in the 4th quarter and set up Manning's 2nd touchdown of the game, an 18-yarder to Toomer. Successful 2-point conversion pass to Shockey tied the game at 21. - Completed 17 of 26 passes for 218 yards with 3 touchdowns, no interceptions and career-high QB rating of 130.0 vs. Philadelphia (11/20). - Completed 23 of 42 passes for 214 yards, 2 touchdowns and 1 interception vs. Denver (10/23). Led the Giants on 2 touchdown drives in the 4th quarter to secure his 2nd career 4th quarter come-from-behind-victory. His 2-yard touchdown pass to Toomer with 5 seconds remaining in the game gave the Giants a 24-23 victory. On the game-winning 83-yard drive, Manning completed 8 of 13 passes for 68 yards. Manning's key completions on the drive were a 6-yard pass to Burress after scrambling to elude a sack on 3rd-and-4, a 24-yard completion to Shockey on 3rd-and-10 and the 2-yard touchdown pass to Toomer. A 23-yard pass to Burress earlier in the 4th quarter set up Barber's 4-yard touchdown drive. Threw an 18-yard touchdown pass to Burress in the 1st quarter. - Completed 19 of 35 passes for 296 yards, a career-high 4 touchdowns (2 to Burress and 1 each to Toomer and Shockey) vs. St. Louis (10/2). Became the 1st Giants quarterback to throw 4 touchdown passes in a regular-season game since Collins did it at Indianapolis (12/22/02). Collins matched the feat in an NFC Wild Card playoff game at San Francisco (1/5/03). Two of Manning's touchdown passes were 31 yards long (the 1st to Burress and the 2nd to Shockey). - Played in 9 games as a rookie in 2004, including starts in the final 7 games…Rookie record as a starter was 1-6…Improved markedly down the stretch and finished with 95 completions in 197 attempts for 1,043 yards, 6 touchdowns and 9 interceptions. - Earned his 1st NFL victory in the 2004 season finale vs. Dallas. Completed 18 of 27 passes for 144 yards, 3 touchdowns, 1 interception and a rating of 101.5. Threw touchdown passes of 2 yards to Visanthe Shiancoe in the 2nd quarter, 15 yards to Tyree and 3 yards to Barber, both in the 4th quarter. Completed a 23-yard pass to Barber to start the Giants game-winning drive and called a run at the line on which Barber scored the deciding touchdown on a 3-yard run with 11 seconds remaining. - Completed 16 of 23 passes for 182 yards, 2 touchdowns, 1 interception, a long-pass of 49 yards and a season-high rating of 103.9 vs. Pittsburgh (12/18). Threw his 2nd touchdown pass of the season in the 1st quarter, a 2-yarder to Shockey. Completed a 49-yard pass to Tyree and a 17-yarder to Barber on a drive that resulted in his 2nd touchdown pass of the game, a 1-yarder to Marcellus Rivers. Completed a pair of 17-yard passes to Toomer and a 15-yarder to Ike Hilliard to help set up Barber’s 1-yard touchdown run. - Made his 1st NFL start vs. Atlanta (11/21) and completed 17 of 37 passes for 162 yards, 1 touchdown and 2 interceptions. His 1st NFL touchdown pass was a 6-yarder to Shockey. Coincidently, the initial pro scoring pass for all 3 Manning quarterbacks was 6 yards long. Archie Manning threw a 6-yarder to Dave Parks in 1971. Peyton Manning's 6-yard touchdown pass went to Marvin Harrison on Sept. 6, 1998…Manning was the 18th quarterback to start a game for the Giants in the Giants Stadium era (including Craig Morton and Norm Snead, who joined the team earlier and were still on the team when the stadium opened in 1976). He was the 4th quarterback in a row to lose his debut, joining Kerry Collins, Jesse Palmer and Kurt Warner…Of the 14 quarterbacks selected with the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft since 1970, he was the 13th to make his starting debut as a rookie (Cincinnati's Carson Palmer was the exception). The 13 quarterbacks taken with the top pick who started as rookies are 4-9 in their debuts. - Saw his 1st NFL regular season action when he replaced Warner with 2:37 remaining in the 4th quarter at Philadelphia (9/12), with the Giants trailing, 31-10. Completed 3 of 9 passes for 66 yards, including a 34-yarder, no touchdowns and no interceptions. Was sacked once and fumbled after being blindsided by Jerome McDougle. On his 1st career snap, he handed the ball off to Barber, who ran 72 yards for a touchdown. Manning’s long completion of 34 yards was a short screen pass to Barber on the final drive of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueinBuf Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 I think it's funny you keep bringing up Rivers, over the last 3 years if you asked people who was a better team not counting the QB how many people would have picked the Giants over the Chargers, I'm betting very few. So even with a better team he has accomplished less than Eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kitten Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 I think it's funny you keep bringing up Rivers, over the last 3 years if you asked people who was a better team not counting the QB how many people would have picked the Giants over the Chargers, I'm betting very few. So even with a better team he has accomplished less than Eli. By your brilliant logic, Trent Dilfer has accomplish more in the NFL than Dan Marino... Dallas is the most talented team in the NFC... Last year should've told you, talent doesn't equate to wins... Patriots were never the most talented team when they had their dynasty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueinBuf Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 So what you're saying is it doesn't matter if Eli is talented or not? Because you can't measure a team by it's talent, but you also can't measure a team by if they win superbowls? Also yeah I do think Trent Dilfer accomplished more than Marino, that doesn't make him a better QB though. I bet if you asked Marino if he would trade all his records for one SB he would say yes. I bet if you asked Dilfer if he would trade his SB for a bunch of records he would say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kitten Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 So what you're saying is it doesn't matter if Eli is talented or not? Because you can't measure a team by it's talent, but you also can't measure a team by if they win superbowls?Also yeah I do think Trent Dilfer accomplished more than Marino, that doesn't make him a better QB though. I bet if you asked Marino if he would trade all his records for one SB he would say yes. I bet if you asked Dilfer if he would trade his SB for a bunch of records he would say no. Re-read my post and point out where I said that talent can't be used as a measurement for whether a team or a player is good or not... Getting a Superbowl ring because of your team (Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning) doesn't make your accomplishment any more than that of Dan Marino... Put Dan Marino on last year's Giants and they destroy the NFL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Eli Manning before the playoff run was a bust...All of a sudden he manages games and wins the Superbowl before of the defensive line and he's considered a good QB? I don't think so... Manning raised his level to Trent Dilfer after the playoff run... Before playoff run he was at Ryan Leaf, after playoff, Trent Dilfer... Gilbride doesn't make Eli throw interceptions, nor does he tell Eli to overthrow 6 foot 6 inches wide receivers... Blaming offensive coordinators for Eli's failures is getting old... Wait, you talked in one of your posts about football knowledge. Obviously, that is something you have none of. Ryan Leaf??? Wow are you delusional. Did Eli Manning steal your girlfriend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kitten Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 ;5569161']Wait' date=' you talked in one of your posts about football knowledge. Obviously, that is something you have none of. Ryan Leaf??? Wow are you delusional.Did Eli Manning steal your girlfriend?[/quote'] Eli is surrounded by talent... Even then Eli's ceiling is 75 QB rating... I am sure you want someone like Big Ben or Rivers who can utilize talents to the fullest... With Eli at QB, ever game is an adventure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Eli is surrounded by talent... Even then Eli's ceiling is 75 QB rating...I am sure you want someone like Big Ben or Rivers who can utilize talents to the fullest... With Eli at QB, ever game is an adventure... Oh yeah, please give me Big Ben over Eli. You would guarantee the Giants never beating the Eagles. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kitten Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 ;5569271']Oh yeah' date=' please give me Big Ben over Eli. You would guarantee the Giants never beating the Eagles. :doh:[/quote']Even Tom Brady can't get himself together when there is pressure every play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Even Tom Brady can't get himself together when there is pressure every play... I am starting to think you are just doing this to get a reaction from whoever you can. I can't believe anyone who is a football fan can be this naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kitten Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 ;5569281']I am starting to think you are just doing this to get a reaction from whoever you can. I can't believe anyone who is a football fan can be this naive. Only the blind Giants fan who refuse to admit that Eli Manning is average would think so... I should start a poll here to see whether or not Eli Manning scares you as a QB... I am sure majority of the people would laugh at such a question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Only the blind Giants fan who refuse to admit that Eli Manning is average would think so...I should start a poll here to see whether or not Eli Manning scares you as a QB... I am sure majority of the people would laugh at such a question... Wait a minute. Now you are saying he is average. You were just comparing him to Ryan Leaf and saying how awful he is. I'm not saying he is his brother, far from it. But you were making it sound like he is the worst QB to ever play the game. I would say he is a bit above average but I'm not saying he is the next Joe Montana or even Peyton Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kitten Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 ;5569320']Wait a minute. Now you are saying he is average. You were just comparing him to Ryan Leaf and saying how awful he is. I'm not saying he is his brother' date=' far from it. But you were making it sound like he is the worst QB to ever play the game. I would say he is a bit above average but I'm not saying he is the next Joe Montana or even Peyton Manning.[/quote'] Eli Manning is average when he is surrounded with plethora of talent... If Eli Manning is in a team with minimal to no talent at all, he's a Ryan Leaf, no question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueinBuf Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Re-read my post and point out where I said that talent can't be used as a measurement for whether a team or a player is good or not...Getting a Superbowl ring because of your team (Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning) doesn't make your accomplishment any more than that of Dan Marino... Put Dan Marino on last year's Giants and they destroy the NFL... Well you said this "Dallas is the most talented team in the NFC... Last year should've told you, talent doesn't equate to wins... Patriots were never the most talented team when they had their dynasty..." Which I took as a team with lots of talent isn't necessarily good, and a good team does necessarily have to have the most talent. Your second statement honestly doesn't even make sense to me, sorry. Yeah Dan Marino is better than Eli, so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kitten Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Well you said this "Dallas is the most talented team in the NFC... Last year should've told you, talent doesn't equate to wins... Patriots were never the most talented team when they had their dynasty..." Which I took as a team with lots of talent isn't necessarily good, and a good team does necessarily have to have the most talent. Your second statement honestly doesn't even make sense to me, sorry. Yeah Dan Marino is better than Eli, so? What I said meant that only because a team is talented doesn't necessarily means they will always win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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