BDawkinsSucks Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803b1d6f Did anyone else see this play (02:32 in the above video) and scream, illegal man down field? The center as well as another lineman are running down field to block before the ball is thrown, resulting in 22 yds from a screen pass. Obviously this is by design. How come this isn't a penalty?? If it's not a penalty, how come we don't run this play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDawkinsSucks Posted November 1, 2007 Author Share Posted November 1, 2007 http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803b1d6f Did anyone else see this play (02:32 in the above video) and scream, illegal man down field? The center as well as another lineman are running down field to block before the ball is thrown, resulting in 22 yds from a screen pass. Obviously this is by design. How come this isn't a penalty?? If it's not a penalty, how come we don't run this play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DixieFlatline Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I'm not sure, but I remember wondering that when I saw it live. If its not a real penalty, it probably has something to do with the pass being behind the line of scrimmage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DixieFlatline Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I'm not sure, but I remember wondering that when I saw it live. If its not a real penalty, it probably has something to do with the pass being behind the line of scrimmage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Something else I noticed which I do question the legality of is when the Pats throw screen passes, it looks like they are having blockers set blocks before the ball-carrier even has the ball in his hands. Shouldn't this be holding because you can just stop a guy from pursuing up the field, especially if the RB/TE/WR doesn't even have the ball yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Something else I noticed which I do question the legality of is when the Pats throw screen passes, it looks like they are having blockers set blocks before the ball-carrier even has the ball in his hands. Shouldn't this be holding because you can just stop a guy from pursuing up the field, especially if the RB/TE/WR doesn't even have the ball yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishisthegreatstuff Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Uh...what? that just a normal screen. and we do run them, we just don't execute that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishisthegreatstuff Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Uh...what? that just a normal screen. and we do run them, we just don't execute that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustinwhylee Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they designed an illegal play and ran it a couple of times. It doesn't matter if they even scored a touchdown on that play. Just like the end of the game when people screamed to have Randel El's reception reviewed. What did it matter? We were down 52 to 7 with 30 or so seconds left on the clock... We didn't stand a chance against them and that's our fault. We played like how we always do and that strategy only beats mediocore teams at best. It doesn't seem like we'll open up our offense under Gibbs and it doesn't seem like we'll blitz with our personel. Don't worry about the minor things our opponents do. I mean, if you really wanted to get into the dirty play of football, ask about how people punch each other in the nuts when there's a fumble scrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustinwhylee Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they designed an illegal play and ran it a couple of times. It doesn't matter if they even scored a touchdown on that play. Just like the end of the game when people screamed to have Randel El's reception reviewed. What did it matter? We were down 52 to 7 with 30 or so seconds left on the clock... We didn't stand a chance against them and that's our fault. We played like how we always do and that strategy only beats mediocore teams at best. It doesn't seem like we'll open up our offense under Gibbs and it doesn't seem like we'll blitz with our personel. Don't worry about the minor things our opponents do. I mean, if you really wanted to get into the dirty play of football, ask about how people punch each other in the nuts when there's a fumble scrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I don't think anyone is claiming this is the reason we lost. I think though as fans we are allowed to question what we see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I don't think anyone is claiming this is the reason we lost. I think though as fans we are allowed to question what we see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailfrmDEN Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 it was very difficult to watch th game, but if taylor pushed someone down a second time it would have been a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailfrmDEN Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 it was very difficult to watch th game, but if taylor pushed someone down a second time it would have been a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Not sure who what happened last week, but we have a game this weekend against the Jets as far as I know. Let it go people........ it's old news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Not sure who what happened last week, but we have a game this weekend against the Jets as far as I know. Let it go people........ it's old news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DixieFlatline Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I don't think anyone is claiming this is the reason we lost. I think though as fans we are allowed to question what we see. Exactly. I'm just interested in knowing what the rule is for it, because I doubt what they did was illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DixieFlatline Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I don't think anyone is claiming this is the reason we lost. I think though as fans we are allowed to question what we see. Exactly. I'm just interested in knowing what the rule is for it, because I doubt what they did was illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj473 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803b1d6fDid anyone else see this play (02:32 in the above video) and scream, illegal man down field? The center as well as another lineman are running down field to block before the ball is thrown, resulting in 22 yds from a screen pass. Obviously this is by design. How come this isn't a penalty?? If it's not a penalty, how come we don't run this play? The rule actually states that if a pass is caught behind the line of scrimmage, a lineman can be downfiled up to 5 yards past the line of scrimmage at the time of the catch without it being a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj473 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803b1d6fDid anyone else see this play (02:32 in the above video) and scream, illegal man down field? The center as well as another lineman are running down field to block before the ball is thrown, resulting in 22 yds from a screen pass. Obviously this is by design. How come this isn't a penalty?? If it's not a penalty, how come we don't run this play? The rule actually states that if a pass is caught behind the line of scrimmage, a lineman can be downfiled up to 5 yards past the line of scrimmage at the time of the catch without it being a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they designed an illegal play and ran it a couple of times. It doesn't matter if they even scored a touchdown on that play. Just like the end of the game when people screamed to have Randel El's reception reviewed. What did it matter? We were down 52 to 7 with 30 or so seconds left on the clock...We didn't stand a chance against them and that's our fault. We played like how we always do and that strategy only beats mediocore teams at best. It doesn't seem like we'll open up our offense under Gibbs and it doesn't seem like we'll blitz with our personel. Don't worry about the minor things our opponents do. I mean, if you really wanted to get into the dirty play of football, ask about how people punch each other in the nuts when there's a fumble scrum. Keep using that excuse, but if this team that seems to get caught cheating a lot more than your average NFL team, wouldn't it just be a bit suspicious that they got away with so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they designed an illegal play and ran it a couple of times. It doesn't matter if they even scored a touchdown on that play. Just like the end of the game when people screamed to have Randel El's reception reviewed. What did it matter? We were down 52 to 7 with 30 or so seconds left on the clock...We didn't stand a chance against them and that's our fault. We played like how we always do and that strategy only beats mediocore teams at best. It doesn't seem like we'll open up our offense under Gibbs and it doesn't seem like we'll blitz with our personel. Don't worry about the minor things our opponents do. I mean, if you really wanted to get into the dirty play of football, ask about how people punch each other in the nuts when there's a fumble scrum. Keep using that excuse, but if this team that seems to get caught cheating a lot more than your average NFL team, wouldn't it just be a bit suspicious that they got away with so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgilbo1 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Difference between our screen plays and pats is that Brady throws to his back when he is running at full speed, a tremendous advantage against a D. Our screen plays are slow and our backs never seem in position to catch the ball and run immediately. I don't know how many times I see portis out of position on a screen and when he tries to make a quick move, he slips and falls or never catches the pass to begin with. We seriously can learn from NE on how to play design. Bellicheck is awesome at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgilbo1 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Difference between our screen plays and pats is that Brady throws to his back when he is running at full speed, a tremendous advantage against a D. Our screen plays are slow and our backs never seem in position to catch the ball and run immediately. I don't know how many times I see portis out of position on a screen and when he tries to make a quick move, he slips and falls or never catches the pass to begin with. We seriously can learn from NE on how to play design. Bellicheck is awesome at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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