Seabee1973 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 what a joke some of these players werew in the league a few years before norv coached them a few had good seasons before Norv came along. The sickest thing is how could Norv had developed Doug flutie? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0702/gallery.nfl.NorvFactor/content.1.html Sorry Mods Thought i was in the ATN thread could you please move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 SI loves the pokes let the spin begin :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Impressive. Now if he could just win as a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 What no Heath Shuler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedwitch Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Gus Frerotte? :laugh: SI has a very loose definition of the word "star." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 I'd love him as the OC and Rivera or Phillips as the HC, but that aint happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinInExile Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Gus Frerotte? :laugh: SI has a very loose definition of the word "star." Yeah, there were a lot of really questionable calls on that there list. Frank Gore had a hell of a season, but a star? Ricky Williams? You really want to associate yourself with him (and invite comparisons between him and TO)? And taking credit for LT? And as the first poster said, Doug Flutie? Are you ****ing kidding me? Garbage garbage garbage But whatever, let SI talk him up. Get all of Big D demanding him and getting their hopes up. And, God willing, the city will forget what a complete failure he is as a HC. That is, until this time next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaimeDeCurry Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 I'd love him as the OC and Rivera or Phillips as the HC, but that aint happening. In light of recent news, that may be just what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
909997 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 turner is a very good OC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEArmchairQB Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Gus Frerotte? :laugh: SI has a very loose definition of the word "star." Yeah for real. What about Lamont Jordan? 1025 rushing yards and 563 receiving yards makes you a below average starter in today's NFL, not a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEavyJumbo85 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Norv's a Great, Amazing OCoordinator, he just can not get it done at the highest level and never will. If they're gonna give him credit for Frerotte then they sure as hell better give him credit for Shuler. Flutie confuses me because Doug was Never a star in the NFL, and he played like 15 years before Norv even met him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOKU Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Gus Frerotte god I miss him. I miss him ramming his head into the wall at Fed Ex. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalDragon Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Thats more like a list of every talented skill position player on offense that happened to be coached by Norv Turner for a period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Norv = Excellent Asst' I think its the same with Wade, but we'll see if he can get over the hump the 3rd time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 One by one. Troy Aikman. No question that I'll give Norv credit for developing Aikman. Troy was on his way to bustsville after two years before Norv got a hold of him. Emmitt Smith No. Emmitt was a fine runner who had a ton of heart (something you can't teach or even bring out in someone you either have it or you don't) and was lucky enough to play behind a great offensive line for the most productive part of his career. I don't see where Norv gets credit for developing Emmitt. Terry Allen No. Terry Allen was a 2 time 1000 yard runner for the Vikings by the time the Skins got him in 1995. Norv did not develop him. Gus Frerotte I give Norv credit for Gus. Yes Gus never became a star. But Norv did develop him into a solid starter. Stephen Davis Tough call. On the one hand Stephen was a potential 1st round talent coming out of Auburn who dropped to the 4th round. Tough to credit developing someone who has that kind of talent. Also, Norv didn't seem to keen on Stephen early on. He moved him to fullback and used Skip Hicks as our primary runner when Terry Allen got hurt in 98. But, I'll give Norv credit that Stephen Davis became a much better runner in 1999 than he was in 1997 when he got his shot after Allen went down early. Ladanien Tomlinson No. Tomlinson was a 1st round back. He already had the talent from day 1. In fact one could say that he's become a truly great back only after Norv left. Brad Johnson Are they high? Brad Johnson enjoyed a fine year in 1999 (best by a Skins QB since the Super Bowl season) but he was putting up good numbers in Minnesota. His problem was he was always getting hurt. In 1999, he finally stayed healthy. By the way, if Norv "developed" Brad then he deserves blame for Brad regressing badly in 2000. Denny Green or perhaps Brian Billick (but with his track record in Baltimore I'm now not so sure) deserves credit for Brad Johnson. Doug Flutie Give me a break. Flutie truly developed in the CFL. He was a marginal QB in Chicago and New England. He went to the CFL and prospered and when he came back (to Buffalo) he was a different QB and played pretty well. Norv gets no credit. Ricky Williams So now just because a player has his career year under Norv that Norv gets credit for that player? Ricky was an elite runner before Norv. Again, I don't see how Norv gets credit for this. Lamont Jordan Wow 1025 yards. Yeah, Norv really found a gem there. Also, perhaps Jordan's numbers fell because he had injuries in 2006 and also they regressed at the QB position so the passing game was no longer as big a threat? No, that would make too much sense....let's just credit good ole Norv. Alex Smith I'm going to give Norv credit for Alex. I really thought the 49ers blew it big time with Smith. He was a disaster in 05 and Norv really did turn that guy around last season. By the way SI, Alex Smith was drafted in 2005. What a joke that publication has become. Frank Gore Gore reminds me of the development of Stephen Davis. It's a tough call, but I think I'll go ahead and give Norv credit for Gore. I think the guys that SI are leaving out are Jim Everett and Trent Green. I believe Jim Everett exploded in 1988 under Norv after 2 years of mediocre play for the Rams. Trent Green was a journeyman 3rd stringer and after being developed by Norv for 3 seasons, had a fine "debut" season in 1998 which led to a big contract from the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Trent Green was a journeyman 3rd stringer and after being developed by Norv for 3 seasons, had a fine "debut" season in 1998 which led to a big contract from the Rams. Trent Green blossomed after being tutored for 2 years under our then QB coach, Mike Martz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Trent Green blossomed after being tutored for 2 years under our then QB coach, Mike Martz. You may be right, but the QB position is Norv's baby. That's where he spends most of his time. Martz was our QB coach for 2 years. It's certainly possible that he developed Trent in 97 and had him playing pretty well in 98. But Trent was here since 95. I think it was more than Martz. But your point is well taken. Until a player tells us who he credits his development to (like Aikman has done with Norv) we all really don't know. Was it the HC? Was it the coordinator? Was it the position coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyGator Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 It seems he deserves credit for Troy but the others are highly questionable. Dallas considered Emmitt a top 5 player when they drafted him. Emmitt had star written all over him since high school. Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM916 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Gus Frerotte? :laugh: SI has a very loose definition of the word "star." He made a Pro Bowl, so in the quick, sloppy research most sports writers do, he was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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