Kilmer17 Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 1- abortion. I would make this my number 1 issue all the time. It seems to have disappeared in the last 6 years. But from a campaign point of view, it brings women to the Dems. It would have made the difference in Colorado and in Missouri and it may have turned the tide in Minnesota (but I think that came down to the Memorial). I dont understand why the Dems have abandoned this issue. At the same time, if I was the GOP candidate I would pronounce early and often that I was pro choice and would do nothing to prevent the womens rights. 2-Immigration. I would call for the opening of our borders and loosening of immigration laws. It would stop the landslide of Latino votes that the GOP is now garnering. In Texas this year, the GOP Gov candidate (Perry) got almost 40% of the Hispanic vote. And he was running against a Hispanic Democrat. If the Dems dont hurry up the Hispanic vote will soon become the GOPs version of the Black vote, only the Hispanic population is going to double the black population in about 10 years. I dont agree with these personally, but that's what I would do on a campaign level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 not me, I'd harp on the economy, pandering to big business, and anything that does not go well in the next two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 7, 2002 Author Share Posted November 7, 2002 They cant go on big business. There are too many Dems that would get swept up with it. Remember Lieberman got money from Enron as well. Not to mention McAuliffe and Global Xing. The GOP beat them to the puch on the economy and has successfully shown it to have started under Clinton and 9/11. I dont think it will stick. Plus theGOP has a plan to fix it (whether you believe it or not ). The Dems haven't said how they would fix it, only that the GOP cant fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 Sure they can, of course the Democrats are in the pocket of big business as well, and its not like labor unions are so squeaky clean, but in politics, perception is reality, and the perception is that Republicans, not Democrats, are on the leash of big business. As for the Republicans successfully showing the economy was taking a turn for the worse at the end of the Clinton regime, that will be a moot point in 2004 if things don't improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 7, 2002 Author Share Posted November 7, 2002 I agree with 2004. BUt that's a big risk to take for the Dems. What if it's improved and prospering? Then they have no choice but to say the GOP has done a good job. The 2 issues I mentioned will be there regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 If the economy is booming in 2004, the Democrats will get slaughtered and rightfully so, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 If you accept Kilmer's stats (danger Will Robinson). Hispanics vote 60% for the Democrats even in Republican Texas. Why not let all of them in if you're a Democrat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 7, 2002 Author Share Posted November 7, 2002 Because 6 years ago that number was less than 10 percent. It's trending towards the GOP. The Dems could stem the tide by doing what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 It's still clearly less than 50% even in Republican Texas, so bring them on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Smoot Fan Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 Opening our borders is a horrible idea. In fact we should close them we have enough illegal aliens dragging down our economy already. And those loose immigration laws let in all the terrorists and Al Queda sympathizers as well. We need to stop letting in immigrants from Arab countries period, if they hate us than why don't they like living in their caves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 Originally posted by Fred Smoot Fan Opening our borders is a horrible idea. In fact we should close them we have enough illegal aliens dragging down our economy already. And those loose immigration laws let in all the terrorists and Al Queda sympathizers as well. We need to stop letting in immigrants from Arab countries period, if they hate us than why don't they like living in their caves? Cut down on illegal immigration, but make legal immigration easier. Are you telling me your family didnt come to this country as immigrants FSF? I might believe you if you told me you came into this world from a genetics experiment gone wrong, but other than that you're full of ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 50% of my ancestors were using english words How and these awesome beads of glass for that tract of land while the other half was ducking the whip so I guess I can say no to opening the borders. Abortions the fewer liberals the better. The Economy wasn't clinton's doing it was the GOP Controlled congress with the contract with America controlling spending. And Enron and other companies didnt wake up in December 2000 and say hey with dubba ya in office lets screw over the little guy and cook the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 "The Economy wasn't clinton's doing it was the GOP Controlled congress with the contract with America controlling spending. And Enron and other companies didnt wake up in December 2000 and say hey with dubba ya in office lets screw over the little guy and cook the books." Dave, This is the biggest load of crap that has been posted here in a long time. You give the credit to the GOP House for the economy and not the blame to them for the SEC deregulation? ROTFLMAO! Sometimes you are such a moe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 The fact is it is never really the President who is responsible for the economy whether it's for good or for ill. However, that's the perception. One reason, though, Yomar that Dems can't run on the economy, or at least they couldn't in the mid-term election is because the economy is great. The stock market sucks, but the economy is growing above inflation at sustainable rates. Home interest rates are the lowest anyone can recall seeing in a generation. Consumer spending is still strong. The tech industry is in a bit of a down cycle, but, it has been for three years now and voters kind of knew it wasn't Clinton or Bush that were responsible for that bubble bursting. That bubble was going to burst. In two years if we hit a second recession the Dems will have a strong issue to run on. But, right now, it appears Bush is getting credit for entering office in a recession started under the end of the Clinton era and righting the ship and strengthening things, though, again, it's hard to credit Bush so. What is surprising about the relative strength of this post-recession economy is that it is taking place despite scandals the SEC is finally prosecuting after years of cooked books and inflated forecasts under Clinton that tended to skew how the economy performed. Under Pitt actions, fines and collections have surpassed years of the same under Clinton. With hope the next SEC chair can stay as strong while not making the same bed buddy appointments that wind up killing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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