drowland Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 That is just about the lousiest arguement as to why we're losing that I've ever heard. It is irrelevant what their job titles are. They were given them out of respect for what they had accomplished prior. They know their roles. Williams: D coord. Blache: D-line Lindsey: LB's Saunders: O coord. Bugel: O-line And so on... When things are bad' date=' people try to come up with excuses and point out why, but it's usually just not that simple...[/quote'] It's called ego. The Skins have a lot of over-qualified coaches (at least in their minds) filling smaller roles. They're paid well, but I could see some of these guys feeling they should be higher up, and there for it takes away from their performance as a position coaches. It happened in Baltimore with Jim Fassel as OC. The guy thought he should be a HC and never sank his teeth into what he's doing. So they fired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrell1106 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 It's called ego. The Skins have a lot of over-qualified coaches (at least in their minds) filling smaller roles. They're paid well, but I could see some of these guys feeling they should be higher up, and there for it takes away from their performance as a position coaches. It happened in Baltimore with Jim Fassel as OC. The guy thought he should be a HC and never sank his teeth into what he's doing. So they fired him. I was w/ you until the Fassel analogy. Fassel didn't get a fair shot becuse the Belichek (sp?) (who is the second most arrogrant off of I-95) never gave him total control of the offense (sound familiar?). I think that really screwed up Fassel's career and probably will never, or at least not for a while, be considered for a head coaching position. Despite the success or failure of Saunders it is difficult to see him as a head coach after being an OC all of his NFL career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_K Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 They give them those titles because if they leave for another job it has to be an elevated position not a lateral move...Please understand the league before you reply. A Coach CAN NOT LEAVE FOR A LATERAL POSITION. It has to be a higher position. I understand and still think we have too many chiefs. Cull the herd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I was w/ you until the Fassel analogy. Fassel didn't get a fair shot becuse the Belichek (sp?) (who is the second most arrogrant off of I-95) never gave him total control of the offense (sound familiar?).I think that really screwed up Fassel's career and probably will never, or at least not for a while, be considered for a head coaching position. Despite the success or failure of Saunders it is difficult to see him as a head coach after being an OC all of his NFL career. Well, if you listen to the stories coming out of Baltimore the feeling was he wasn't 100% dedicated to his job. This was coming from the players, not Billick. His mind was on becoming a HC again and now he's probably screwed. And the Ravens offense has been better since. That's my feeling with the Skins defense. Take Jerry Grey. Williams tried to hire him a couple years ago but Grey thought it was better for his career to continue as a DC in Buffalo. He was considered an up and coming DC in this league. He was let go late in the game by Buffalo during the offseason and now he's back as a DB coach. You think he's content with were he's at, even with Snyder probably paying him DC money? I doubt it. Now look at the Skins secondary and how bad it is and they look to be playing like a secondary that's being coached by a guy who's mind is somewhere else. As for Saunders, I don't think he'll be a HC because I don't think he's all that respected by the players. I heard that coming out of KC and that's why he was never really considered for that job even though Vermeil lobbied for him. He's perceived as some what of a dork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majorhavoc Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Joe Gibbs - Head Coach/Team President Al Saunders - Assoc. HC - Offense Gregg Williams - Asst. HC - Defense Joe Bugel - Asst. HC - Offense Don Breaux - Off. Coordinator Jack Burns - Offensive Assistant Rennie Simmons - Tight Ends Coach Earnest Byner - Running Backs Coach Stan Hixon - Wide Receivers Coach Bill Lazor - Quarterbacks Coy Gibbs - Quality Control - Off. Greg Blache - Def. Coord./Def. Line Dale Lindsey - Linebackers Coach Jerry Gray - Secondary/Cornerbacks Steve Jackson - Passing Game Coord./Safeties Danny Smith - Special Teams Kirk Olivadotti - Defensive Line/Special Teams Bob Saunders - Asst. Coach - Special Projects John Hastings - Head Strength/Conditioning Bobby Crumpler - Assistant Strength/Conditioning Tony Spinosa - Assistant Strength/Conditioning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrell1106 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Joe Gibbs - Head Coach/Team President Al Saunders - Assoc. HC - Offense Gregg Williams - Asst. HC - Defense Joe Bugel - Asst. HC - Offense Don Breaux - Off. Coordinator Jack Burns - Offensive Assistant Rennie Simmons - Tight Ends Coach Earnest Byner - Running Backs Coach Stan Hixon - Wide Receivers Coach Bill Lazor - Quarterbacks Coy Gibbs - Quality Control - Off. Greg Blache - Def. Coord./Def. Line Dale Lindsey - Linebackers Coach Jerry Gray - Secondary/Cornerbacks Steve Jackson - Passing Game Coord./Safeties Danny Smith - Special Teams Kirk Olivadotti - Defensive Line/Special Teams Bob Saunders - Asst. Coach - Special Projects John Hastings - Head Strength/Conditioning Bobby Crumpler - Assistant Strength/Conditioning Tony Spinosa - Assistant Strength/Conditioning Denver Broncos Mike Heimerdinger -Assistant Head Coach Larry Coyer - Defensive Coordinator Rick Dennison - Offensive Coordinator Jeremy Bates - Offensive Assistant Chip Beake - Offensive Quality Control Ronnie Bradford - Special Teams Tim Brewster - Tight Ends Jacob Burney - Defensive Line/ Ends Kirk Doll - Linebackers Thomas McGaughey - Special Teams Assistant Pat McPherson - Quarterbacks Andre Patterson - Defensive Line/ Tackles Jim Ryan - Defensive Assistant Greg Saporta - Assistant Strength and Conditioning Bob Slowik - Defensive Backs Ryan Slowik - Defensive Assistant Cedric Smith - Assistant Strength and Conditioning Jimmy Spencer - Assistant Defensive Backs Bobby Turner - Running Backs Rich Tuten - Strength and Conditioning Steve Watson - Wide Receivers Kristi Nichols - Assistant Coaches Secretary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majorhavoc Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I never thought there was a team who had more than us. WOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Yeah, but how much are they paid? And I don't think a secretary coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuiceMan_74 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 maas had a point though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz4evr Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I thought there was a stipulation for some of these guys that they couldn't take a lesser position and still leave their team, hence the assistant HC type titles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I read that grey may want to go back to texas u to be the defense cord. updated*** Jerry Gray, one of the best defensive players in Texas history, also is putting out feelers that he could be swayed to leave his assistant's job with the Washington Redskins. Gray also asked about the Texas defensive coordinator's opening in January 2005, the one Chizik eventually accepted. Gray didn't want to take a pay cut then to be a co-coordinator http://www.statesman.com/search/content/shared/sports/stories/2006/12/FBC_TEXAS_1205_COX.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 no thoughts??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str8jacket Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I think it's part of the problem and have been saying that for a while. Kind of like on that movie office space when the dude messes up his tps report and he has 5 different bosses tell him about it, but really none taking the time to actually listen or talk to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Just something that sound good to hang onto because we went 5-11 in reality had nothing to do with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I don't think "too many" is much of a problem, but, based on their public statements, there seems to be two camps on offense. You have Bugel and his charges resisting Al Saunders and his support group. You can't have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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