BD Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 First, read this latest ESPN report: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2371034 So now you're a team like the Bucs, Ravens, Raiders, or Jets, and you're trying to decide which QB you want to compete with your supposed starter (Simms, Boller, Walter, Pennington) who's on a bit of a hot seat. Who do you pick? Let's look at their averages, shall we? Ramsey: 34 games played, 24 games started 480 completions, 861 attempts (55.7 completion percentage) 5,649 yards 6.6 yards per completion 236 yards per game started 34 TDs, 29 INTs 83 yards rushing, 2 rushing TDs Career QB rating: 75.0 Harrington: 58 Games played, 55 games started 986 completions, 1802 attempts (54.7 completion percentage) 10,242 yards 5.7 yards per completion 186 yards per game started 60 TDs, 62 INTs 345 yards rushing, 0 TDs Career QB rating: Even with the opportunity to start more games than Ramsey, Harrington has shown very little improvement. In four seasons in the NFL, he's had completion percentages of 50, 55, 56 and 57 percent. That's enough to get you benched everywhere else, and there's no sign of a learning curve on the boy's behalf. Ramsey, on the other hand: 52, 53, 62, 61. Despite being drafted #3 overall, Harrington still can't cut it in an NFL offense. Out of the three QBs drafted in the first round in 2002, Harrington has the worst fumbles/INT ratio (1.3 turnovers per game); the poorest yards per attempt (not even 6); and the worst yards per game average (a ghastly 186). Honestly, folks - it's not even close. BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 superb post. i do think that a lot of people view harrington's experience as an asset, and i also believe the concensus is that he was misused and undervalued in detroit. objectively, i would probably take harrington over ramsey at this point, if only because matt millen and detroit have a terrible reputation for destroying talent (namely, every quarterback or running back since barry sanders' days) that may actually be worth a gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 Good point, rvan1. Hadn't thought about the FO. I just think Ramsey's upside is much better than Harringtons. Harrington can be a serviceable backup, but as a starter has shown very little - Ramsey hasn't started much at all, but when he has, it's translated to better performances than Harrington. I also think it works in Ramsey's favor that he's shown he can be a backup without rocking the boat, while Harrington has been less than a good sport on that front. BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Good point, rvan1. Hadn't thought about the FO.I just think Ramsey's upside is much better than Harringtons. Harrington can be a serviceable backup, but as a starter has shown very little - Ramsey hasn't started much at all, but when he has, it's translated to better performances than Harrington. I also think it works in Ramsey's favor that he's shown he can be a backup without rocking the boat, while Harrington has been less than a good sport on that front. BD optimistically as any GM, you could say "these guys have upside and potential"... heck, both qbs were supposed to be their teams respective guys for years to come. but harrington couldnt succeed with 3 1st round draft pick WRs, and ramsey got pulled when gibbs came in. some view the fact that ramsey was hammered during the spurrier days as a huge liability, as it has long term effects on the quarterback's confidence and patience (and therefore, accuracy). however, i agree that ramsey probably has a bigger upside, just simply because hes out to prove himself a starter (he didnt really lose his job because he sucked), and hes got a rocket for a right arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Instead of worrying about how we're going to trade Ramsey, people ought to be waking up in a cold sweat worrying about our QB position next year if we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Instead of worrying about how we're going to trade Ramsey, people ought to be waking up in a cold sweat worrying about our QB position next year if we do. this is crazy, but i really think ramsey should stay. hes perfect right now for our situation. no doubt he'll be gone, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praise_gibbs Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Instead of worrying about how we're going to trade Ramsey, people ought to be waking up in a cold sweat worrying about our QB position next year if we do. Are we at this again? :doh: I'll take Jason Campbell taking over the QB position for $200, Alex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Are we at this again? :doh:I'll take Jason Campbell taking over the QB position for $200, Alex! im with you on that too, but so few first-time starters actually become nfl stars-- not everybody is kurt warner, tom brady, or ben roethlisberger. for every one of these guys, you have tons of alex smiths, josh mccowns, chris weinkes, ryan leafs, heath shulers, etc..... not to say that jason might not be good eventually, but theres always gonna be a transition period. lets just hope that his transition period is extremely short, and well hidden with a powerful run game and spectacular wide receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Instead of worrying about how we're going to trade Ramsey, people ought to be waking up in a cold sweat worrying about our QB position next year if we do. Could not agree more :applause: :applause: :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz1972 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 the only thing harrington needs is a system that caters to his abilities...........and a coach who knows what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsSuperBowl21 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 i saw alot of potential in ramsey i think gibbspulled him out to early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praise_gibbs Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 lets just hope that his transition period is extremely short, and well hidden with a powerful run game and spectacular wide receivers. Oh, you mean we should get Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, A.R.E, and Brandon Lloyd? We have them already. All is well then, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shallyshal Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 First, read this latest ESPN report: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2371034So now you're a team like the Bucs, Ravens, Raiders, or Jets, and you're trying to decide which QB you want to compete with your supposed starter (Simms, Boller, Walter, Pennington) who's on a bit of a hot seat. Who do you pick? Let's look at their averages, shall we? Ramsey: 34 games played, 24 games started 480 completions, 861 attempts (55.7 completion percentage) 5,649 yards 6.6 yards per completion 236 yards per game started 34 TDs, 29 INTs 83 yards rushing, 2 rushing TDs Career QB rating: 75.0 Harrington: 58 Games played, 55 games started 986 completions, 1802 attempts (54.7 completion percentage) 10,242 yards 5.7 yards per completion 186 yards per game started 60 TDs, 62 INTs 345 yards rushing, 0 TDs Career QB rating: Even with the opportunity to start more games than Ramsey, Harrington has shown very little improvement. In four seasons in the NFL, he's had completion percentages of 50, 55, 56 and 57 percent. That's enough to get you benched everywhere else, and there's no sign of a learning curve on the boy's behalf. Ramsey, on the other hand: 52, 53, 62, 61. Despite being drafted #3 overall, Harrington still can't cut it in an NFL offense. Out of the three QBs drafted in the first round in 2002, Harrington has the worst fumbles/INT ratio (1.3 turnovers per game); the poorest yards per attempt (not even 6); and the worst yards per game average (a ghastly 186). Honestly, folks - it's not even close. BD neither one of them excites most people, BUT harrington had the chance to work with martz and blew it off. that says alot. i think ramsey would do well and he is clearly the tougher of the 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Oh, you mean we should get Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, A.R.E, and Brandon Lloyd? We have them already. All is well then, yes? agreed. dynamic players dont always translate to a dynamic offense. what i mean is, lets hope our run game can hide the transition, and our wide receivers can "accomodate" JC with some spectacular catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 neither one of them excites most people, BUT harrington had the chance to work with martz and blew it off. that says alot. i think ramsey would do well and he is clearly the tougher of the 2 i think theres a difference between "blowing off" the chance, and being run out of town though. i think the latter is a more accurate description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrell1106 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I also believe Ramsey has more portential especially since people are really questioning his Harrington's work ethic. How can you suck at something you love but not work hard at trying to improve. They have talent up there in detroit. He'll have a tough time finding a starting position; even w/ the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frediemac Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Sorry My PC has hosed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frediemac Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 i saw alot of potential in ramsey i think gibbspulled him out to early Maybe you should coach and pick the players instead of 3 Time SB Champion Coach Joe Gibbs :doh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I personally think we're doomed with Brunell starting. Of course we're going to be great next year regardless, but we need a quartback that has talent NOW if we want another SB win. In this day and age, A.R.E. and Moss could be gone by next year; our window of opportunity is now. What's the point of picking up the greatest receiving corps possible if you don't have a quarterback who can throw to them? This all may sound negative, but I think we're missing a big piece of the puzzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthecam36 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 i think harrington would be an amazing pickup and i think with time he would be a fantastic pick up. i feel like his situation in detroit was a lot like patricks here in the fact that neither had a chance to proove themselves. i dont like patrick because he overthrows a lot and it seems like he doesnt have pocket presence i understand that you can say the same for harrington but harringtons offensive line was just awful. i would love to see him here and i hope ramsey gets out. maybe he'll have a better career somewhere else. i cant stand him but i still wish him the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazhog Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I think the general opinion is... Harrington has had his chances and done anything... Ramsey has shown potential and not yet had his chances... I know one thing... If we were taking our team into this season and Ramsey / Harrington were the choices... I'd say, "Let's go with Ramsey"!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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