BogeyMan Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 If the Redskins lose at Seattle next week, the best draft pick the Broncos can pick up is #25. Basically, the Redskins give up the #25 at best this year and a 3rd last year - the 2nd rounders last year were swapped if I remember correctly. What the Redskins got was their QB of the future with a year to learn the Joe Gibbs system. Most teams have to draft early in the first round to get their franchise QB unless they are exceptionally fortunate like the Patriots with Brady. If Campbell pans out, the Redskins get theirs a year early with a late 1st round draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Again, our pick is locked into #22 unless we get to the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Which won't be a problem since we're gonna make it to, and win, the Super Bowl! With our defense playing lights out, all we need to do is make a few plays on offense and the title is ours. POST 1000! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogeyMan Posted January 8, 2006 Author Share Posted January 8, 2006 My bad Dirk. I thought the finish through the playoff seeding determined draft picks. Still turning out to be a pretty good trade IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Hopefully during the offseason, Campbell studies hard and prepares himself to compete for the starting job next season. The skins have become a team that focuses on playing mistake free football while controlling the time of possession with the running game and playing solid defense. What the team needs is a guy who can "manage" the football game. Brunell is a gutsy fighter who doesn't give up but he isn't getting any younger anytime soon. The future of this team rests upon the shoulders of Jason Campbell and hopefully, he will get the opportunity to prove he is the guy to lead us NEXT season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzmuda Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Again, our pick is locked into #22 unless we get to the Super Bowl. Where do you get that? NFL.com says otherwise. http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETINGIf two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs: 1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last. 2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule. If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweezel Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Because the rule is you will not draft lower than a team with a worse record than you, unless they are in the Super Bowl. Those tie breakers are for the same record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Brunell can't win games for us much longer, we need the QBs that we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Which won't be a problem since we're gonna make it to, and win, the Super Bowl! With our defense playing lights out, all we need to do is make a few plays on offense and the title is ours. POST 1000! would we then be able to keep lavar cos we get so much money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalDragon Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Because the rule is you will not draft lower than a team with a worse record than you, unless they are in the Super Bowl. Those tie breakers are for the same record. Thats not what the rule says. See the post above yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzmuda Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Thats not what the rule says. See the post above yours. The rule is worded weirdly but he's right. It goes by record and strength of schedule for every time. The rule are exceptions to apply to tied teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 The skins have become a team that focuses on playing mistake free football while controlling the time of possession with the running game and playing solid defense. What the team needs is a guy who can "manage" the football game. I have no problem with Brunell's game management skills; he has after all lead this team into the second round of the playoffs. With work some of that is bound to rub off on Ramsey and Campbell. Mistake free football, control the time of possession, and solid defense? Exactly the traits one would expect from a Joe Gibbs coached team. Success with that formula resulted in three Super Bowl wins during Gibbs I era and has produced a playoff win Gibbs II. For some reason SOS and Nervous Norv just came to mind. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I think that we should assume that Brunell has the starting job into next season based upon what he's done this year cumulatively, and regardless of anything that he does or doesn't do this postseason (aside from serious injury of course). Gibbs has a tendency to stick with veteran QB's too long rather than the opposite. We saw a little of that last year with how long he took before putting Ramsey into the lineup despite Brunell looking flat out awful for weeks on end, but the pattern is there historically. Take a look at Theismann's 1985 season (cut short, of course due to the terrible leg injury that ended his career) and Doug Williams' 1988 season. In both cases, their long-term successors were on that roster (Schroeder and Rypien, respectively) and ended up putting up better numbers than they did that year, but Joe only replaced the incumbents due to injury. Joes priorities are clear - he wants a veteran with a level head and a thorough understanding of the offense (even if his physical skills are deteriorating) over a younger guy who's more athletic but more prone to making mistakes. That's not to say, however, that Joe's faith in the veteran characteristics are always justified. The point? I don't think we see much of Campbell next year unless 1) Brunell not only stinks, but stinks to the point that we simply can't win with him; and 2) Campbell has shown everyone on the staff that he knows the offense and is capable of stepping in and leading. I'm of course operating on the assumption that Ramsey departs during this offseason in some sort of trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misery Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 i agree - if campbell applies himself, he can give brunell a run for his money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjcdaman Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 would we then be able to keep lavar cos we get so much money? :doh::doh::doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Brunell can't win games for us much longer, we need the QBs that we have. Have some Faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Have some Faith. I have faith that he will carry us through this season and maybe another (at best), but if you have faith he will play for any longer...well I think "fool's hope" is a better word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaDRoc Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 The QB situation is very interesting to me. Despite what some people say, I don't believe that Brunell is going to automatically gonna be the starter next season. Plus, if we keep Ramsey, which does not seem out of the question to me at all, that will make it even more interesting. With 3 solid QB's, it could make for a very interesting offseason and training camp next season. But for now......:seahawksu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwitt Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Brunell will be the starter next year...no question. I don't see Campbell as the starter until Gibbs leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgs44 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Again, our pick is locked into #22 unless we get to the Super Bowl. Exactly Dont worry Denver will be drafting 32nd!!!!! :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 It's smart to point out Gibbs' track record with QBs But keep in mind that we're in uncharted territory with Campbell. It's the first time that GIBB'S got to choose a QB of the future. Before, Bobby Beathard was always bringing in some QB through the draft, almost always with a later pick. Gibbs had to work with more of these guys than you realize: Tom Flick in the 4th round in '81. Bob Holly in the 11th round in '82. Jay Schroeder in the 3rd round in '84. Mark Rypien in the 6th round in '86. Stan Humpries in the 6th round in '87. Believe it or not, but ALL of them played (though Holly threw only 1 pass in '83). Except for Flick, they all spent their rookie seasons on IR. The difference, though, is that Gibbs really liked what he saw in Campbell and went to great lengths to acquire him. It wasn't a matter of Gibbs deciding he needed to draft a quarterback this past year. There was something about Campbell that made Gibbs say "Hey, this really could be THE guy." And for those who don't think Gibbs will go with an untested Campbell as their primary backup next season: rookie Holly was Theismann's primary backup in '81, Schroeder backed up Theismann in '85 without ever having played in a regular season down, and Rypien did the same behind Williams in '88. And while Holly got mostly cleanup time at the end of a couple of games, Schroeder and Ryp saw significant playing time. Gibbs might be itching to see what Campbell can do a little more than he did with those other guys in the '80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewski Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I must admit that I am very interested in seeing what Campbell can do- but I hope it is the year after next because Brunnell is playing so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Who ended up with the quarterback that Gibbs was scouting from Louisville (I think, correct me if I'm wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Who ended up with the quarterback that Gibbs was scouting from Louisville (I think, correct me if I'm wrong). I think you mean Stefan Lefors... He's with Carolina...they got him in the 4th round, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 i agree - if campbell applies himself, he can give brunell a run for his money If campbell's talent is married to a relatively quick learning curve he will blow Brunell out of the water. Campbell actually uses the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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