DraftNik Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 So, who is our QB of the future? There seems to be lots of animosity towards Ramsey now, including me to some extent, so what is the general feeling of where we will go with the position in the next couple of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I've noticed a couple of votes for "another QB from the 2003 draft class". This seems like easily the least likely of the five possibilities, since it would require: 1. NONE of the current young crew (Wuerffel, Sage, Ramsey) to work out as the "QB of the future", and 2. The Redskins to pass on Grossman (the obvious choice in 2003 if a QB is drafted), while drafting a different QB with a high draft pick in that year. I can't see that happening, but maybe I'm missing something. Would someone who voted for "another QB from the 2003 draft class" explain their vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 If we keep four QBs, SpiceMan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 We drafted Ramsey in the first round. He's under contract. He's the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange&Blue Skins Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I agree that we are unlikely to draft a QB next year. That is unfortunate because next years QB class will be the best in a decade. I would take just about anyone of those guys in front of Ramsey. Who is this Ramsey guy anyway and why are we acting like this guy is the second coming? This guy was over hyped as some sort of savior because skins fans, skins media and skins front office people have not learned to trust Spurrier yet. A lot of Gator fans used to second-guess the HBC, about starters, about play calling, about rotating QBs, and on and on. He proved them wrong 95% of the time. Everybody just relax. You are in good hands. The HBC knows his business. We are about to witness the five most exciting years in the franchises history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 We're high on Ramsey for the same reason everyone else is. He played on a dreadfully talented Tulane team... yet he put up really good numbers. We're high on him because he as an NFL caliber arm, good height and weight, and because he has been touted as one of the most intelligent QB's to come along in quite some time. We're high on him because, as most experts will tell you, his arm and accuracy will leave most scouts with their eyes bulging and their jaws dropped. Heck, even Peyton Manning commented that he had never seen an arm like that. He's a great talent, and he's now on the Redskin roster. Don't let a holdout, with blame for it's delay having involved three different participants (Ramsey, Sexton, Redskin F.O.), skew his obvious god given talent. With S2's coaching and scheme, we just may have the second coming of P. Manning, Aikman, Bledsoe, or Marino. By that I mean, a pure pocket passer with a gifted arm. Finally, I shudder to think that we'll be drafting yet another QB next year. Especially when, as most here will agree, we could really use a pro-bowl caliber guard or a destructive DE. I'd like to think we have our franchise QB in Sage or Patrick, or both, and that we can concentrate on other obvious needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsblitz Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Great post, Cskin!! I totally agree with you. I'd go with Ramsey as the future even though I thought he was a knucklehead for holding out. The guy was just trying to get paid and you can't fault him for that. He did put himself a bit behind with this holdout and really PO'd some guys in the orginization. He will have to work twice as hard to get up to speed with the other QB's and also get out of everyone's doghouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I'm going with Ramsey ... and I'm glad he signed. Now that the business end is out of the way I'm looking forward to seeing what the boy got! Too bad I won't get to see him in action Saturday night in Charlotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Here's info/stats on Grossman if anyone cares... 8 Rex Grossman Quarterback 6-1 220 Junior, 2L Bloomington, IN (Bloomington South HS) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Considered one of the nation's premier performers after finishing second in the Heisman Trophy balloting last season (only the fifth sophomore to ever finish in the top two of that prestigious balloting) and receiving the 2001 AP National Player of the Year Award… CAREER: Appeared in 22 regular season games with 18 starts for 912 plays and also started the 2001 Sugar Bowl and played in the 2002 Orange Bowl...15-4 record as a starter (12-2 in SEC play)...Completed 390 of 607 passes for 5,762 yards and 55 touchdowns with 19 interceptions in his career for a pass efficiency rating of 167.63...Career pass efficiency rating of 167.63 currently stands as the top efficiency rating in NCAA Division IA history for a quarterback who has completed at least 325 career passes (Danny Wuerffel- 163.6 stands as the record for a QB who has completed his career)...55 career touchdown passes is a NCAA Division IA record for most TD passes in a combined freshman-sophomore season...11 career 300+ yard passing games (third in UF history)...Became the first Gator to throw for 300+ yards in more than three consecutive games (first nine games of the 2001 season)...55 touchdown passes ranks fifth in school history and 11th in SEC history...5,762 yards passing ranks seventh in school history...Holds three of the top six single-game pass efficiency marks (min. 20 comp.) in UF history this season (#1 - 235.86 vs. LSU, 2001; #3 - 230.68 vs. Miss. St., 2001; #6 - 198.0 vs. Marshall, 2001)...Second in 2001 Heisman Trophy balloting, only the fifth sophomore ever to finish in the top two...Finalist for the Walter Camp Award, Maxwell Award, and O'Brien Award in 2001...Associated Press National Player of the Year in 2001...A First Team All-America selection in 2001, the first sophomore QB in school history to earn that distinction...A first-team All-SEC selection in 2000 and 2001 and in 2000, became the first freshman quarterback in UF history to be named first-team All-SEC...Recipient of the 2001 Ray Graves Award, given to UF's "Most Valuable Player"…Efficiency rating of 161.81 in 2000 ranked as the third best for a freshman quarterback in major college history (trailing only Michael Vick and Donovan McNabb)...21 TD passes in 2000 led the SEC and ranked as the second best seasonal total for a freshman in SEC… 2001: Second in the Heisman Trophy balloting, only the fifth sophomore ever to finish in the top two...Finalist for the Walter Camp National Player of the Year Award...Finalist for Maxwell Award (College Player of the Year)...Finalist for Davey O'Brien National Quarterback of the Year Award...Associated Press National Player of the Year...A First Team All-America selection by AP, Walter Camp Foundation and Football News, becoming the first sophomore QB in school history to achieve that distinction...AP SEC Offensive Player of the Year, as selected by league coaches...Became the first player since BYU's Steve Young in 1983 to lead the nation in both passing efficiency (170.8) and total offense per game (354.9) in the same season...First Team All-SEC selection for the second consecutive season…Started all 11 regular season games and played in 2002 Orange Bowl…Season stats: completed 259 of 395 passes (65.6%) for 3,896 yards with 34 touchdowns with 12 interceptions for a pass efficiency rating of 170.75 and rushed for five touchdowns on the season...Took 579 snaps...Ranked first in the nation in pass efficiency rating (170.8)...354.2 average passing yards per game ranked first in nation...Led nation in total offense with 354.9 yards per game...32 TD passes ranked tied for third in the nation...First in the nation in yards per pass attempt with 9.86...Ranked seventh in the nation in yards per completion (15.04)...Second nationally in points responsible for per game (21.27)...Led the nation in yards per play (9.10)...Ranked sixth in the nation in percentage of passes which went for a TD (8.61%)...Posted an efficiency rating of at least 168 in eight of 11 regular season games (all but Auburn, Florida State and Tennessee)...Threw for more than 300+ yards in ten of 11 regular season games (all but Florida State- 290), the most 300 + games in a season in UF history...3,896 passing yards rank as the best season mark in school history and second best in SEC history...34 TD passes ranked as the third best season mark in Gator history and sixth best in SEC history...First Gator to ever pass for 300 or more yards in more than three consecutive games with streak of nine straight games (Marshall, UL-Monroe, Kentucky and Miss. St., LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Vanderbilt and South Carolina)...Threw for at least three TDs in seven of 11 regular season games (all but Marshall, UL-Monroe, Kentucky, Miss. St., LSU, Vanderbilt and South Carolina)...Joined Heisman Trophy winner Danny Wuerffel as the only Gator quarterbacks to have two 400+ yard games in a season (464 vs. LSU and 407 vs. Georgia)...Named SEC Player of the Week (9/4) after completing 20 of 30 passes for a then career-high 375 yards and three touchdowns, with one interception, vs. Marshall (pass efficiency rating of 198.0)...Completed 23 of 34 passes for 331 yards and three touchdowns, with one interception vs. UL-Monroe...Completed 22 of 36 passes for 302 yards and four touchdowns with a pass efficiency rating of 168.24 vs. Kentucky...Completed 22 of 31 passes for a career-high 393 yards and five touchdowns, while rushing for one more, with a pass efficiency rating of 230.68 vs. Miss. St. (fourth best rating in school history for a QB who completed at least 20 passes)...Completed 22 of 32 passes vs. LSU for a school-record 464 yards passing and five touchdowns, with one interception and a pass efficiency rating of 235.86 (second best in UF history, min. of 20 completions)...Career-high completions (25) and attempts (42) for 364 yards with two TDs and four interceptions vs. Auburn...Named SEC Player of the Week vs. Georgia, establishing a new career-high in completions with 27 out of 35 attempts, while throwing for 407 yards and two touchdowns, with two interceptions, for a pass efficiency rating of 182.25 vs. Georgia...Completed 17 of 29 passes for three touchdowns and 306 yards, with one interception, and a pass efficiency rating of 174.49 in just the first half vs. Vanderbilt...Completed 21 of 33 passes, while throwing for 302 yards and three touchdowns, with no INTs, for a pass efficiency rating of 170.51 vs. South Carolina...Tied career highs in completions (27) and attempts (42), while throwing for 290 yards, with three touchdowns (two passing, one rushing) and one INT for a pass efficiency rating of 133.24 vs. Florida State...Established career highs in completions (33) and attempts (51) along with 362 yards passing and two touchdowns, with one interception, vs. Tennessee for a pass efficiency rating of 133.35. Also added a one-yard touchdown run…Completed 20 of 28 passes for 248 yards, including four touchdowns, with no INTs, vs. Maryland in 2002 Orange Bowl … 2000: Played in 11 of 12 regular season games (all but Tennessee) with seven starts (LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Florida State and SEC Championship game vs. Auburn) for 406 plays…Also started the Nokia Sugar Bowl…A redshirt freshman who emerged as the starter at quarterback, starting each of the final eight games of the season…A first-team All-SEC selection by The Sporting News and Football News, the first freshman quarterback in UF history to be named first-team All-SEC…Freshman All-SEC first-team selection by the Coaches…Freshman All-America second-team selection by The Sporting News…Second-team All-SEC selection by the Associated Press…Became the first freshman ever to be named the MVP of the SEC Championship Game…131 of 212 (61.8%) for 1,866 yards on the season with 21 touchdowns and seven interceptions for a 161.81 passing efficiency rating…Passing efficiency rating of 161.81 led the SEC, ranked third nationally and ranked as the third best by a freshman in NCAA history…21 touchdown passes led the SEC and tied for the most in the nation by a freshman quarterback…21 touchdown passes was second best seasonal total for a freshman in SEC history…161.81 efficiency rating ranked as the third best seasonal total in UF history…2-of-4 for 32 yards against Ball State in his first career game…Threw for three touchdowns and completed a 9-of-14 passes for 95 yards vs. Middle Tennessee…Completed 13-of-16 16 attempts for 231 yards against Mississippi State with two touchdowns…Completed 18-of-28 attempts for 276 yards and three touchdown passes in his first career start vs. LSU…Named SEC Offensive Player of the Week as a result of performance vs. Auburn (14-of-23 for 232 yards and threw a career high five touchdown passes)…Five TD passes against Auburn set a school record for a freshman…Completed 12-of-24 passes for 152 yards with one touchdown and three interceptions against Georgia…Completed 21-of-34 attempts for a career high 334 yards and two touchdown passes…Completed 12-of-19 passes for 106 yards versus South Carolina …Completed 10-of-16 passes for 98 yards with one interception against Florida State…Was named the SEC Championship Game MVP as a result of his performance vs. Auburn (17-of-26 for 238 yards and four touchdowns)…Completed 18-of-41 yards for 252 yards against Miami in the Sugar Bowl with a touchdown and two INTs… 1999: Did not see any game action and was redshirted…Worked with the scout team at quarterback… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange&Blue Skins Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 We're high on him because he as an NFL caliber arm, good height and weight, and because he has been touted as one of the most intelligent QB's to come along in quite some time. We're high on him because, as most experts will tell you, his arm and accuracy will leave most scouts with their eyes bulging and their jaws dropped. Cskin, Let me try this theory on you and see what you think. One of the reasons NLF coaches have been trying to get a freak with 60-pound arm that can zing the ball at light speed is because they possess a complete lack of creativity on offense. Receivers can't get open in the NFL because the entire league plays a conservative "just don't lose the game" offense. Whether the league realizes it or not, the pro game changed forever last Saturday. (As the SEC changed forever in 1990) Spurrier will get our receivers open. The Fun n Gun (HBC) requires two main attributes from a quarterback. 1. Be coach-able. 2. Make good decisions. Physical prowess is secondary. Studs will not make it in our system. Let me give a few names of NFL prototypical QB's that have ended up on the ash heap of history. Terry Dean, Bobby Sabblehaus, Doug Johnson. All loved by the scouts, worthless in the Fun n Gun. Conversely, you have Shane and Danny. By the way, the only quarterback that has played in this system and has had the prototypical strength and enough smarts is Rex Grossman, and he becomes available next year. As for Rex, that young man is a freak and about the toughest kid on the planet. You can’t really tell from TV, but he has incredible size. I’ve got a19-inch monitor on my desk; Rex’s head is bigger. He is solid granite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraftNik Posted August 7, 2002 Author Share Posted August 7, 2002 oh man that is one big d'oh! I wasn't thinking and forgot Sage entirely! What was going through my head is beyond me. Anyway, that should definitely be the other choice, and I guess "Other" effectively means Sage. ...what a goof-up Any way to edit the polls? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Gotta go with Danny. He's only 28, so he could be our QB for the next 6 years, at least. As he said, this is the perfect system to maximize his skills. If he can take us to the playoffs, I see no reason to start Ramsey just because we feel "obligated" to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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