OrangeSkin Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Even though a lot of us look at Matthews as the likely starter, why don't we consider it a possibility that he could be cut? I mean, he sounds really crappy so far and his weak arm sounds like a real problem. If Sage and Danny are way ahead of him (which it sounds like right now), then why not make him a surprise cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Agreed, OrangeSkin. Based on tommy-the-greek's report from today, I'm now leaning toward the conclusion that Matthews will be cut. Ironically, I'm now seeing Ramsey's holdout contributing to this conclusion (the reverse of my prior impression, which was that Ramsey's holdout would hurt Sage). I'm starting to get a hunch that Spurrier could feel that the perfect rebuke to Ramsey would be to promote his most dangerous long-term rival, Sage. Lots of tommy's details contribute to this impression, not least the sight of Sage kicking a field goal. We should not forget that this was Spurrier's last act as a Gator player (kicking the winning field goal in his final game). He could see Sage as his latest protoge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 If Sage does well in Japan, I agree. Let's not forget it is still early. But I see the stage setting up for Sage. IF he performs well he is the starter no matter when Ramsey signs now. I think Ramsey totally blew it. SS has a new jedi apprentice and his name is SAGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyskinsfan Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 I don't see it. I see Matthews as the #3, and Wuerffel cut. The fact that the speeds of the game and familiarization benefit Matthews more the Wuerffel, means he'll either be a #2 or #3. We aren't that great at QB period. Ramsey's holdout, even for a few days, delays the "mental" and visual aspects of what to expect. No pun intended, but if he even signs and plays a 5 minute segement in the 4th QTR, it will be a Chinese fire drill for him. That leaves the purpose of having a more astute mentality for game time situations in the hands of series. If Matthews is the QB at some point, his constant work as the #2, would or even #1 will benefit him more with time. Miller in Chicago, gobbled up his playing time when he returned from injury and come regular season, we will see that we have either the #1 NFL defense or at least the #1 NFC defense, for which Matthews has faced in practice. Right now, he's showing why Miller kept the Chicago Bears starting job and why he's just got to work at staying there. If he doesn't show up by the 3rd preseason, game, yes, he's gone, with the switch to Wuerffel being #2, which I don't relish at all. True Ramsey may benefit financially from some leverage, should we cut Matthews or Wuerffel, before he signs (doesn't seem likely at all), but Ramsey's the new kid on the block and there's a truckload of pain, before the gains. Matthews has this edge over all of them, and as limited as he may be, it is necessary to have a person on the field, who is at least prepped with more actual game time expertise at the start of this new offense and new coaching staff. Then after the first few games, you can think about switching the roles, if Ramsey's ready and Sage is moved to #1. Wuerffel may be putting "all" he's got out in the TC, but when the preseason games start with people flying around, he may show why he's so often overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVskinsfan Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 I see all four QB's bing kept, because with our offensive line....health will be a big factor! Whichever QB is playing will have the 3-5 step drop and btter get rid of the ball quickly....or he will be worn out by the 4th qrtr! Hail al Skins fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted July 28, 2002 Author Share Posted July 28, 2002 You bring up a good point, ca. I doubt we'll have to go 4 deep, but if Matthews ends up starting, whoever is number 2 will be very important. Shane is extremely injury prone, so Dage (Danny/Sage) better be ready to step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All In Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 He won't get cut. I don't think that Sage/Danny are "that far ahead" of Matthews. It's really more even that you think. As of now, I don't know who you cut. No one QB is that much better than the next. I guess it really is to early to make that call. Wait till the preseason games to see what we have, even then I think we'll see good and bad from the QBs. Based on performance at Camp, I have no idea who is a goner, that's why I say to keep all three plus Ramsey... Someone mentioned IRing him for the year. Is that possible? Would he be allowed to practice with the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 I hope Sage does well enough to be the starter and the fans warm to him while Ramsey feels the heat. Hopefully the skins do not cave on the contract offer and start taking money away for days missed after japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierskin Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 The real competition between the quarterbacks begins in pre-season! The job will be won on the field against real competition! We haven't even had real hitting and a real game situation at Camp Spurrier. Matthews is our war horse and will be an excellent influence on our quarterback of the future, who is Patrick Ramsey. Sage is a Marty product from our dark past and is not our quarterback of the future. It is obvious who Tommy is rooting for...but I am being objective here and Sage makes no sense for our future. I would trade him right now for help on the offensive line, but guess what...we would have no takers because he has proven NOTHING against real competition. Matthews and Wuerffel at least have a resume and can be considered for the job. They have thrown TD's and played against real competition. Ramsey needs to be compensated...show the kid the money. He is no Heath Shuler....get over our dark past....WE HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE IN RAMSEY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroGator Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 In the end, I think Sage will be the one to get the one-way ticket to Palookaville, err San Diego?. Reports by non-objective reporters (i.e. not fans) have Sage losing ground. 7 on 7 drills does not a QB make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 The big strike against sage is that he is stashable, that is, it is palatable to put him on the practice squad. That isnt something that Matthews would be amenable to, in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Sage is staying with this team so that we can unload him at the end of the year for a 2nd or 3rd round draft choice and then bring in Ramsey. Look at all the talent he's displaying at camp, plus tommy says he's SS's little teacher's pet. I can really see a Sage and Danny Qb combination. Then we trade Sage and keep Danny and bring in another quality backup (Grahm). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All In Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 I thought we couldn't put a second year active player on the Practice Squad. Some rule like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W&M Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 I forgot the rules on the Practice - Squard elibibility, but I know that you aren't eligible if you are in your third year ... also, if you played a certain amount of time, in your first year, you aren' eligible to be on the P-Squad with the SAME team in the second year. In either case, Sage is the only cadidate, and he wouldn't clear waivers if we tried it. I don't think the coaches want to cut Matthews, but if this continues, and Sage and Danny continue to outshine him, I can see it happenning. We aren't wed to any of our QB's except Ramsey. But it's way too early to judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsterdamgator Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 What you guys are failing to realize is that both Mathews and DW have NEVER been practice players. They both turn it up on game day and both have intangibles during the game that don't show up on the practice field. If you followed their careers at UF DW would stink it up at practice and then go out on Saturday and tear it up. No chance Cuts mathews or DW. NO chance. Especially with THE guy from Tulane not even signed yet. I think it is more likely the longer he holds out and the more confident SOS is in the qB'S that he is traded. The holdout will not sit well with SOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Originally posted by Hoosierskin The real competition between the quarterbacks begins in pre-season! The job will be won on the field against real competition! We haven't even had real hitting and a real game situation at Camp Spurrier. Matthews is our war horse and will be an excellent influence on our quarterback of the future, who is Patrick Ramsey. Sage is a Marty product from our dark past and is not our quarterback of the future. It is obvious who Tommy is rooting for...but I am being objective here and Sage makes no sense for our future. I would trade him right now for help on the offensive line, but guess what...we would have no takers because he has proven NOTHING against real competition. Matthews and Wuerffel at least have a resume and can be considered for the job. They have thrown TD's and played against real competition. Ramsey needs to be compensated...show the kid the money. He is no Heath Shuler....get over our dark past....WE HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE IN RAMSEY! I am going to remember this post. In the end we will see who can read the writing on the wall. If Sage has a solid first half against the niners "1stD" he will be here for awhile. If I am wrong I will eat the crow. I still believe the job is still open and noone is a lock. I think the job is Sage's to lose at this point though. And my honest opinion is if Danny or Shane were my brother given what I saw yesterday I would be worried for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsterdamgator Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Tommy, remember what you wrote about DW and Shane looking better in the actual Scrimage then the drills. I expect this will be the norm for these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 I remember that. I also remember Sage marching the team down the field in the same Scrimmage with half the plays and his recievers dropping two passes in a row and ending that drive. Either pass would have been a first down and kept the chain's moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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