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36 minutes ago, zCommander said:

 

I was all for TH this year but draft a QB in 2023's draft since that is a better QB class. I said to build the OL, DL and improve the secondary instead. But it was more important to stretch the field and ignoring the OL. Now the OL can't protect or give time to QB to actually be able to use his strong arm to throw beyond 20 yards.

 

TH could have thrown for 20 yards and for $28 million less. But hey only dumbasses make these type of analysis and those who don't know football.... 😂

 

 

 

 

 

 

You’re gonna get crucified for making so much sense lol 

1 hour ago, NeverSurrender said:

To point this out is blasphemy here.  You will be attacked by people who know a lot more about football then you.

Yeah I was all for us going with TH this year and drafting Kenny Pickett but that was taboo evidently. Everyone else told me I should want us to get Trubisky, Mariota, or Wentz type qbs bc they can throw the ball far like Jamarcus Russell. I guess I just don’t know much about football 😕

Would’ve been better off with TH than signing ole Carson came and Wentz. I’d bench him asap

15 minutes ago, Peregrine said:

Oh, the guy in charge of all the decisions, all the players, and all the coaching for the past 3 years is most definitely the problem.

Yeah he is at fault for bad decisions like bringing in Carson and drafting Jamin Davis  but when you have a bad qb it makes the whole team look bad. We have talent on this team. I would bet that if th/howell start the rest of the season we’d end up with 7+ wins and be competitive in the losses. You get to 12+ wins when you have a top 10 qb.   Cousins wasn’t exactly a top 10 guy but we were a decent team with him and those teams were less talented than our current one imo. 

What’s gonna happen is th or howell will come in and our team will start looking normal and get some wins. Wentz is simply the worst qb on the roster. Th won 7 games last year with less talent and a tougher schedule. You can’t do anything in this league if you don’t have a good qb. Ron’s obviously not the best head coach/gm but he’s not the biggest problem. See what Ron can do the rest of the season without Wentz as the starter and if it’s still ugly then you fire him. 

Sad thing is normally this thread would be crazy right now but there’s hardly anyone here. This fan base is dead. 

Obviously snyder is the biggest problem but I don’t blame Ron as much as most do. He made a bad decision to trade for Wentz. I hated that move as soon as I heard about it. Wentz is finished as a starting qb and I think the right move is to play th and see what he can do with better weapons around him. If there isn’t much improvement then you play howell for the remainder of the season. If howell doesn’t show much promise then you fire Ron, but I believe we would be competitive with th or howell. Bad offense directly influences the defense. I guess I’m just saying let’s make sure it’s not mainly a qb problem before we fire Ron. 

Kid can play, no doubt. He’s just kinda short for an nfl qb who’s gonna have to succeed as a pocket passer. Some guys can play well despite that and some can’t. I hope he’s the next Drew Brees though. 

Just now, KDawg said:

Hahaha I’m so happy. I can’t wait to defend everything he does and blame everyone else for all of his mistakes! This is wonderful!!!

Congratulations man, we got your guy. I actually think that was a very good pick. 

I would definitely take howell or corral at 98. Preferably corral 

3 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I think Pickett and Mills will be about the same. And that’s not a knock on Pickett, either, even though I know you’ll take it as one.

 

I think Mills has a chance to be a middle of the road QB they can win games with. Not elite at any point, but capable of winning football. 
 

That’s about where I see Pickett. Though, Pickett is in the literal perfect position to succeed and Mills is in Houston.

I see Mills being a little better than Kirk Cousins and Pickett being a little better than Dak Prescott. But enough with talking about qbs we didn’t draft. Let’s get ready for tonight. 

4 minutes ago, KDawg said:

You're a funny guy. I like you.

Always have liked you dude. That’s why I talk to you more than anyone on here!

5 minutes ago, Chump Bailey said:

 

We're on the same page friend. Davis was my favorite QB after Lance. I think Houston's doing the wise thing and building around him. At least I think that's the plan.

We’re one or two drafts away from being a well respected scout like KDawg! I can only hope I reach that level. Houston is being very smart by building around Mills. 

2 minutes ago, Chump Bailey said:

 

He's been my QB1 for months now so I am just sticking to my guns but I agree with your assessment. We'll see.

Somebody agrees with me! Davis Mills checked a lot of boxes for me last year too and I was screaming for us to take him in the 2nd round. I think Pickett will be better than Mills though. 

10 minutes ago, Conn said:

No it’s the fact he stinks. For a pro ready and high floor guy he really seems to make a lot of mental errors, and he doesn’t have the physical tools to outweigh that. The hands are an unfortunate cherry on top that certainly can’t help matters, but I don’t think he’d suddenly be a top prospect if he had Russell Wilson sized mitts and still had the exact same college career progression. If anything I feel like the hands are almost a red herring preventing people from focusing on other potential issues. Weirdly reminds me of when people were focusing, using historical data, on whether Ryan Mallett was too tall to succeed lol. Like, my guys, there are other pressing issues here. Or when people were arguing over whether Johnny Manziel was too small. Largely cosmetic gripes that are not at all nothing-burgers, but certainly distract from other more salient issues. 

I see a guy with good size, running ability, above average arm, good accuracy, intelligence, great personality, pocket passer, pro system experience, heisman trophy finalist, and experience playing against nfl talent. Seems like a guy teammates would rally around. He set the acc record for passing td’s. I think teams are gonna look back a few years from wishing they would’ve selected him. We do have a lot of needs but you gotta get a long term solution at qb if he’s there. It’s just my unpopular opinion. Time will tell. 

50 minutes ago, Conn said:

Pickett screams QB purgatory to me. Maybe that’s even being generous since I think he’s worse than Daniel Jones and even the Giants have figured out they can’t be stuck with him. 
 

Pickett falls somewhere on a scale between Clausen and Dalton imo and while I could see him game managing the Steelers in a Mac Jones kind of way until they get frustrated with his lack of ceiling, I don’t think he’s taking you anywhere. 

It’s the hand size, isn’t it?

3 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

I like Pickett as much or more than anyone on this board. Was banging my chest for him for months. But once the Wentz trade went down that was over. If that trade never went down I am going all in on Pickett. And we could have had him without giving up any assets. The Steelers stole him. Buts that what good teams and front offices do. 

We really didn’t give up that much for Wentz though and hes not the qb he was. I actually liked that trade but I view him as more of a bridge instead of the future. I knew we weren’t gonna go qb last night but I just think it would’ve be a smart long term decision. 

25 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Since when has Mitch been my boy?

 

He was a guy I wanted to be a bridge QB here. IE: A guy who I thought could fill the gap that was better than Heinicke.

 

Also, Pickett makes sense for Pittsburgh. Probably the absolute best spot he could have gone. They practice next to each other. Pittsburgh is also probably pretty damn good this year and it has a strong run game to take some pressure off of Pickett. Bull**** with you aside, I'm not the biggest Pickett fan. But, I think he is calm and composed and has a good head on his shoulders which goes along way. With Najee Harris and a run game he has less pressure to carry the offense and can focus on learning the pro game. He has a good receiving corp. as well. In wet, rainy games, where Pickett struggles, Pittsburgh can hand the ball off to Najee Harris and pick and choose their spots with Pickett. It's actually a really good fit.

 

Pickett made zero sense for us. Running game isn't all that strong, we aren't built to be a ball control offense at the moment. Unfamiliar with the staff. Different market and area. We just traded assets for Wentz.

 

If Pickett was on the board in the second/third I'd say we should consider him. Passing on him in the first was a no brainer for the Washington Commanders, though. 

You were practically begging for them to get Trubisky and draft Howell in the 1st rd to learn behind him a few months ago. But anyway, I don’t see Wentz as the long term answer and I think a smart team would’ve taken Pickett in that situation. I’d be happy if we get Willis today though. He’d be so good at read option and play action off that like rg3 was his rookie year. I know that’s not gonna happen though. I guess we can settle for Sam in the 3rd 🙄

16 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

Oh, you were serious?

 

If by "whack it" (brilliant analysis by the way) you mean think he'd be a good get in the third, then yes. And, if by whack it, you mean I have him 32 overall as the highest rated QB on the board, then yes.

 

I legit thought you were joking, though. Never thought I'd see someone pimping Pickett as a franchise savior. 

 

Also: His name is Ken Howell, right @Skinsinparadise? Heck of an infielder. 

Well he was the only qb taken in the 1st rd and your boy probably won’t be taken till the 3rd. Evidently the Steelers see some franchise qb in him, even though they had your other boy Mitch on the roster. 

5 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

Thank you. This just made me snort laugh. I needed the comedy relief. 

What’s up guy? You still whack it to Sammy Howell everyday? 

We’ll be frustrated for many years for passing on Kenny Pickett 

19 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Ron will be gone if he fails to make the playoffs.

My guess we go 8-9 or 9-8 and miss the playoffs. A new regime comes in 23. 
Ron loses , betting his career on trusting Wentz.

I think Dan realizes you can’t win without a good qb no matter who the coach is and it’s actually impressive Ron won 7 games with th. Plus his replacement would be worse bc nobody wants to come to this clown franchise. Ron will be here for the next 5+ years unless he decides to leave. 

I’m not a big fan of the move but I’m incredibly excited that we won’t be getting Mitch Trubisky like many es members wanted 😂

1 hour ago, NoCalMike said:

Do you guys think Shanahan grabbed Trey Lance because he believes he can mold him into the QB he couldn't with RG3?  I remember on draft day, analysts being a little surprised he was the QB the 49ers drafted. I don't follow college sports and all the details going into the draft that much but maybe it had to do with how Lance was graded out overall against the field?

Probably so. Lance has all the physical tools you want in a QB. The obvious ? with him was he played D1 AA ball. Shanahan is a great offensive mind and his dad was too. They turned RG3 into OROY and won a divisional title with him knowing barely anything about the drop back passing game, and introduced the NFL to the zone read which is still effective to this day. He really changed the way professional football is played. He’s been to a super bowl and may go to another with jimmy g. Only a coach like that can turn a project like Lance into an elite qb. I think he saw that Lance had good speed but better size, coordination, and durability than RG3. You combine the zone read plays with his zone blocking run scheme and play action passes sprinkled in and it’s very dangerous. That’s why I would love to see us take Willis. Qbs like that can be phenomenal if they’re used the right way. 

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

 

Willis has 2 years of production.

 

They all have NFL arms, but if I had to guess I'd say Pickett has the least. But he still has an NFL arm; there' aren't any 1st round types with "weak" arms in this class. Willis has a cannon, and Corral IMO isn't too far behind him.

 

Carson Strong has a knee issue and isn't especially mobile in general but he's very accurate and has a very good arm. He's more of a 2nd-3rd round guy. Likewise with Ridder. 

 

As far as height, some of the main 1st round guys aren't prototypical but they're not super short. Corral IIRC is either 6'1 or 6'2, Willis is 6'2, Howell is 6'1, Pickett is 6'3. Strong and Ridder are both 6'4.

 

That isn't much of a deal anymore. Kyler Murray is 5'10 and is a top 10 QB, so I don't think 6'1 means much.

It is a big deal unless you have quick feet and good pocket presence to find open passing lanes or drop back quicker. I know from being a qb in high school at 5’10, you have to find ways to see the field and throw the ball even at the high school level. Seems to make a big difference being 6’2+ compared to 6’1-. Guys like Wilson and Murray are super quick with their feet and even Brees was quick within the pocket. Being a fast twitch qb gives you the ability to escape the pocket and find open receivers too. I’m not too high on Howell bc he just looks sluggish when I watch him and he’s not very tall. Almost looks like Baker Mayfield gained his freshman 15.