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24 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

What do we qualify as good games and good teams?

 

 

 

 

I'd say the biggest beef in that department is Willis:

 

 

Hand size is a concern but we have to see how that plays out at the Senior Bowl.

 

I think Howell and Corral are both excellent prospects all things considered.

Howell, Pickett, and Corral played against great talent. That’s the #1 thing to look for in qb prospects imo. 

27 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

I could be way wrong but I see Willis as a project similar to Haskins only both are different style QB's. I'm reading where Willis has tremendous athletic skills but lacks in other key areas for a QB? As great as Lamar Jackson can be in the regular season he's not successful in the playoffs vs good defenses. If we do take Willis I hope we do our homework on how capable he is of learning NFL offensive and defensive schemes because it sounds like he's very raw and athletic. 

I think Haskins and Willis are totally different. Haskins is a pure pocket passer so he has no choice but to learn complex systems that require quick thinking and play from the pocket. Willis has athleticism that we could use to run read option stuff maybe 15-20% of the time to keep defenses honest. You can run a simple offense with him and be successful. The biggest problem with qb’s like Willis are 3rd and long  situations where the defense knows they’re going to pass, but the hope is most of the time you gain enough yards on 1st and 2nd down to have 3rd and short where you can still run or pass. From what I see he has the coordination to slide and get down, which is a must for a qb like him. You’re right, Lamar Jackson isn’t great in the playoffs bc this type of offense isn’t exactly the formula to win Super Bowls but it’s not impossible either. I think Willis could give us at least 5 solid years of good offense and playoff contention. That’s better than what we’ve had since I’ve been a fan (1997). If you want to turn Willis into a pocket qb then he’s definitely a Haskins type project. I think that would be a waste of time and talent. In the right system he’s a plug and play qb that could bring instant success. I would much rather draft a Pickett or Corral and hope they are the pocket passing type qbs that win Super Bowls though. Howell may end up being good but I think he’s a day 2 pick, so if we go that route we could take another position at #11 and go with Howell in the 2nd. That’s not my ideal scenario though. 

1 hour ago, Redskins 2021 said:

If we are taking a QB on potential Wills would have to be way to go. I am afraid his level of competition was to low to get a read on him. Definitely most potential. Alittle worried about accuracy on throws but potential is there.

 I think Mississippi and pitt guys are least likely to bust and are ready to play now but I don't know how good they would be. 

 Cinn and Carolina QB are a step behind but look like they could be NFL QB. They could be good second round.

Willis will never be a good pocket passer in the NFL. He is crazy athletic and will thrive for maybe 5 years if he’s put in a read option system. He will probably be the only qb in this draft that’ll have immediate impact. I think he’ll be better than Hurts but not as good as Lamar Jackson. 
 

Corral played against great talent in the SEC, but so did Pickett and Howell in the ACC. The ACC is third in the power 5 conferences for players in the NFL. Cincinnati however plays in a conference with a huge drop off in NFL talent. I’m not saying Ridder has zero chance of being a good nfl qb, but it’s not likely. My top 3  passers in this draft are Pickett, Corral, then Howell but my top 3 qb’s overall are Pickett, Corral, then Willis bc of his read option capabilities. I think Pickett/Corral/Willis go top 15 and Howell goes late 1st or early 2nd. 

Does anyone have a source for Kenny Picketts hand measurements? 😂 

1 minute ago, Ball Security said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade
 

Yeah, no.

Okay biggest trade in recent history 

I don’t think Dan has the patience this time for a rookie qb. I doubt any of these prospects are the splash he wants to make. So that would pretty much leave Rodgers, Watson, and Wilson. I don’t think it’ll be Watson bc of the obvious stuff and I don’t think it will be Rodgers bc we’re not that lucky. That leaves Wilson as the most probable qb Dan will try to get and he will pay whatever it takes. If it happens it will be the biggest trade in nfl history guaranteed. 

Just now, Andre The Giant said:

 

Great, I guess Danny boy is getting involved again 

2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Just something to think about...

 

TH as a bridge QB puts a little more stress on getting the rookie out on the field, maybe faster than is ideal.  TH could easily go out there and stink up the joint early and often, having folks clamoring for the rookie, who may not be ready.  You put a seasoned vet with an NFL arm out there, like Mariota/Trubisky/Winston/etc. - better chance to buy the rookie time if need be.

Winston! I think Winston would be a good bridge qb to bring in. I love the idea of bringing in a bridge qb. I just don’t understand why Mariota and Trubisky are even being considered. I’ve seen them play many times and they are just not very good. Teddy B and Winston I would be open to but hard pass on Trubiskiota. 

5 minutes ago, lovemaskins said:

Personally I’d go with the rookie option with Taylor Heinicke as the stop gap again, and no I’m not a Heinicke enthusiast.  But he knows the system and I think / hope / pray he’s better with another offseason under his belt. 
 

I’d like to think he could beat out Bridgewater or any other veteran who doesn’t know the system.  I just hate the thought of depending on the likes of Mariota to actually win football games next year pretending he’s something he’s shown he’s not.  I’d rather let Taylor get the game reps.  Sounds like flawed logic tho, I know…

I rank TH over Mariota and Trubisky but I think Teddy B may be a slight upgrade. But like you said, he doesn’t know the system so maybe he wouldn’t be. We definitely have to go qb in the draft though and will most likely have to move up to get the one we want. So if TH is our bridge qb until rookie is ready then I’d be okay with that. 

2 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

This is getting boring folks. He’s responding to 15 different people by repeating the same 4 talking points over and over. We could create a bot to do that. Just stop quoting him, he’s not even making it fun. People catching up on this thread are already gonna be necro-quoting his earlier posts for days reigniting the fire. Let’s exercise some self control and do something more productive with our posts, like hating ourselves and cursing our timeline. 

You’re right. It’s going to ruin the thread if we keep on. I’m finished starting now. 

7 minutes ago, Theismann to HOF said:

 

Yes, Stafford with his zero mobility would have gone out on a stretcher against Dallas.  He is not a better athlete than Heinicke and he is not a better QB than Heinicke.

 

Here is the stat that matters most -- Stafford giving 24 points to the other team in one season via four Pick 6 INTs.

 

Two of Heinicke's INTs were on Hail Mary passes against Denver.  Two more were in garbage time in the 4th quarter against the Packers and Chiefs, when the games were already over.  Heinicke has done a good job protecting the ball this season, especially for his first season as a starter and with a lot of offensive weapons missing.

 

Did you see how horrible Wilson looked when they played the WFT earlier this year?

 

Yeah, Wilson supposedly played with a bad finger, but he is on the decline.

In a down year he still threw 25 tds and 6 ints in 14 games. He would instantly become the best qb we’ve had in franchise history. 

2 minutes ago, Theismann to HOF said:

 

Cousins is definitely NOT better than Heinicke.  Cousins is not capable of leading 5 game-winning drives the way that Heinicke did this season.  I watched Cousins play for 5 years in Washington, he usually doesn't play well when the game is on the line.

 

And Heinicke is already better than Ryan.  Heinicke thoroughly outplayed Ryan in the Falcons game earlier this year.

Do you follow Qanon? 

3 minutes ago, seantaylor=god said:

Whether he’s trolling or just has an absolutely ludicrous opinion he needs to go away, it’s completely hijacking this thread.

 

I think my favorite option is trading a first and a player for Wilson. At least that makes the team fun to watch. If they feel really strongly about a QB in this draft that’s fine but I don’t really see it.

 

 

I’d give a first and a player for Wilson any day. 

1 minute ago, Theismann to HOF said:

 

Yeah?  McVay hasn't found one for the Rams yet.

I’m with you man, I love TH. I Think he’s better than most people in this thread do. But you have to snap out of it. He is not better than Stafford. It’s just not true. I’m your friend, I’m not your enemy. 

2 minutes ago, Theismann to HOF said:

 

Four Pick 6 INTs in one season.  Yes, I believe Heinicke is better.  He makes fewer disastrous mistakes.

 

Stafford would be 4 - 13 at best if he played on the WFT.  And the Rams would be better with Heinicke.

There’s no way you’re not trolling dude

5 minutes ago, Jericho said:

Derek Carr is okay, though I think overrated by many on this board. He's in that Kirk Cousins tier of guys that put up numbers, but don't seem to win very much. Those teams always seem to be looking for an upgrade, which is what the Raiders did for years. But it's hard to find a good QB and Carr just keeps chugging along. That said, I'm hard pressed to believe the next Raiders GM/coach will voluntarily trade away the one player that keeps the Raiders semi-decent. It's not a good look for the franchise to take a huge step back when you get hired. I'd also says its very questionable to trade significant assets for a QB that will be 31 next year. Historically, QBs take their first step back at age 31, with the second big drop off at 34. Brunell, McNabb, and Alex Smith were all 34 when acquired, so I suppose getting a 31 year old is a small step forward. But trading a first (or more) for Carr is basically selling out for mediocrity for a few years.

 

Jimmy G is okay. Another player overrated by many some of this board. But super injury prone and actually fairly turnover prone. There's a reason SF runs and runs and runs. He's an okay fill in, but given all his limitations I wouldn't want to give up that much for him. Shouldn't be more than a 2nd rounder, and even that might be too rich.

 

Rodgers is a future HOFer still playing at a high level. I really see no reason for him to leave GB. If he somehow forces his way out, Washington has to be way down the list of destinations. Some place like Pittsburgh would make more sense.

 

Wilson turns 34 next year, which is somewhat concerning given the Brunell/McNabb/Smith moves. I also wonder if his small stature will catch up with him in terms of taking all those hits. As a comparison, Roethlisberger's last good year was at age 36. But Wilson is clearly several tiers above a Jimmy G type. The question is for how long? I'd be hesitant to give up a ton if I wasn't on the cusp on winning. Also, with Wilson, it's a two way street. With a no trade clause, he can basically pick his destination. I'm guessing it's not here.

 

There's plausibly Cousins. For obvious reasons, I doubt this comes to pass. Minnesota also has the same issues as the Raiders. What does the next coach/GM want to do with Cousins? The fact Minnesota did not make the playoffs this year (while Vegas did) and Cousins' crazy cap hit do make moving him more likely something happens. But again, I  don't see it happening here.

 

Matt Ryan will be 37 next year. If Washington somehow got him, I'd expect him to show up washed up and be a complete disappointment.

 

Watson. A wild card in terms of legal issues. Some write him off on moral grounds. And he also has a no trade clause. But he's the one guy still young enough that you'd easily get 5-6 years out of him (and plausibly a lot more). He's also a clear tier above most of the other options except Rodgers and Wilson. But he's really the only option of a real answer that isn't just settling for mediocrity or trying to squeeze one more year out of a future HOFer.

 

If you don't like any of those, they you hope and pray someone you like is available in the draft.

Yea I put carr on the same level as cousins. It would be nice to know we have a qb that’ll at least lead us to a .500 season for several years. He’s probably the best qb we can realistically get via trade or free agency (some people in this thread might put Mariota and Trubisky ahead of him). Wishfully thinking, it would be nice if we could get him and one of the top qbs in this class to sit behind him for a few years like Rodgers did. I know it’s not gonna happen but that’s best case scenario outside of getting Rodgers himself. 

3 minutes ago, zskins said:

 

Okay Tonya Harding. 🙄

You only YOLO once my friend 

Just now, Rdskns2000 said:

I say to put the Taylor talk to bed once and for all; we should cut him. 

Why stop there? I say we break his legs

1 minute ago, zskins said:

 

He is listed as 5'10"

I was listed at 5’10” my senior year. Towered over the guy. Great coach though. 

3 minutes ago, CjSuAvE22 said:

Correct its depressing also watching former coaching staff kill it in the playoffs is even more depressing

Sean Mcvay, great guy. Very handsome. Got his autograph after a game years back. He might be 5’7 tops. Wish he was our coach though. I guarantee he would’ve found us a franchise qb by now. 

1 minute ago, CjSuAvE22 said:

Zero  chance imo, Trey Lance is nowhere near being ready to be the starter and why would the Raiders trade Carr? Only we get rid of starting caliber quarterbacks.

You’re probably right but damn, imagine having a solid veteran qb and a good prospect learning behind him. This fanbase has never seen that. 

3 minutes ago, daveakl said:

I think you'd have to give LV the pick (1st round pick) to get Carr.

Maybe we could just trade Jamin Davis and Chas Young 😂

Any chance we get Carr and Pickett/Corral falls to us? What a dream. That’d almost make me wanna go get a massage with Robert Kraft and Deshaun Watson. 

I’m a TH fan. I think he played okay for having most of his weapons hurt. I believe he fell off the last several games bc they were injured. I’ve argued he’s at least as good as Mariota and Trubisky. I would be okay with him being our 4 game bridge qb and backup when our rookie is ready. With that being said, I absolutely don’t think he is a top 15 qb. He is not better than Stafford. That’s crazy talk. 

2 minutes ago, Jericho said:

 

Not really sure where this mythical huge market is coming from for Trubisky. He was a free agent last year and all he got was $2.5 million to sit behind the MVP runner up. And then threw 8 passes total. If he couldn't find a starting job in 2021, not sure who's going to give him one in 2022.

 

Reminds me of all the "hype" some people on this board tried to ascribe to Marcus Mariota last year. Some were trying to trade multiple draft picks just to acquire him. When, instead, he had to cut his salary from $10.725 million (not including numerous incentives that he likely could have met had he found a starting job) to $3.5 million to avoid getting cut. The simple fact is that these fringy starter guys like Trubisky, Dalton, Mariota, and so forth don't have much of a market. If you throw even $5 million and a chance to start, you'll likely be able to sign anyone you want in that group with ease.

Couldn’t agree more. I don’t understand it 😂