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On 1/15/2022 at 10:01 AM, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

I wasn't all that far off on my prediction before the start of the season. Of course I didn't predict the DL would play so far below expectations the way they have.  

That was a pretty accurate prediction man lol. Have any off-season predictions? 

Just now, Warhead36 said:

That's not the point. Its incredibly difficult to sustain success when you're having to play around your QB's weaknesses instead of being built around a strong one.

 

People keep saying "but imagine if Heinicke had one more receiver/running back/tight end etc. etc.". Okay fine. But what if we had a GOOD QB with those extra weapons? 

 

Lets not set our standards low anymore.

That’s not my standard. I’ve said many times I want to get a big name qb or a few guy I like in the draft. I want Super Bowls. But I’m not going to crucify TH and make him seem worse than what he actually is. 

8 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

Mayhew made it clear we have been working through our options to address the issue at QB for quite some time. They have long moved on the Heinicke being a starting option moving forward.

So you don’t think TH could win just 2 more games with an easier schedule and a healthy surrounding cast? Keep in mind I have zero desire to have TH as our starting qb next year. 

4 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

I am not sure what the logic is here.  Thinking that Heinicke can get 9-10 wins seems to be based on hope more than anything.

 

I like Heinicke, it's been a fun ride.  But he's not the guy.  I mean, we'd have to have an elite defense and all the skill guys healthy for him to get us to 10 wins, IMO.

 

He's a great backup.  But I can't watch a full season of Heinicke starting every game.  You never know which dude is going to show up and I don't see how that changes from this year to the next.

 

Draft two quarterbacks, see who shakes out.  

He had 7 wins this year. So it’s unrealistic to think he can win 2 more games with an easier schedule and healthy skill players? I don’t want TH as our qb1 next year but my goodness some of y’all are overreacting a bit. 

3 minutes ago, zskins said:

 

Even with Thomas, McKissic, and Samuel on the field at the same time?

I don’t think he would suck if most of our weapons were healthy. From what I saw, he played good enough until our whole offense was injured. Then he dropped off. Dallas was killing him bc they were blitzing and playing man coverage. We couldn’t beat man coverage bc we had an offense full of WR5’s and backup TE’s 

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

 

I don’t know the guy. I happen to like him as a QB. Not sure why that registers as a sin for you. 
 

I’m struggling to connect what you’re saying. Take a look at career TD:INT ratio, yards. Howell has had a pretty good career (4:1) along with a 24:9 season this year. Pickett had a better year statistically for sure this year. No denying that. 
 

He also had no offensive line to speak of and lost his top 4 weapons to the League. 
 

I’m not here to poopoo the others. I’m not a Pickett fan necessarily but I see why people like him. He had a Burrow-like senior campaign and it’s tough to remove him from Burrow given that. Corral moves well and has a cannon, but if you are basing things on stats he struggles, too. 
 

Willis statistically was a disaster comparatively.  Stats don’t tell the whole story. Dwayne Haskins had 50 TD and 8 INT. A ratio better than any of the guys in this years’ draft. That didn’t translate. There is nuance beyond statistics. 
 

I love talking about this stuff but statistics don’t tell the whole story. Ever. For any position. Using that to determine the best QB in a conference in folly. 
 

 

You’d have to go back and read my posts, but I said I literally tried to become a Vikings fan for like 5 hours bc I was so pissed we drafted Haskins. Not everything is about stats, I agree. I actually watch these players too and some guys I just like more than others. I like Willis because I can see him being successful in a Ravens offense. That would be fun to watch. It’s not about stats with him. I have my opinions and you have yours. It’s all good dude. We both clearly care about this team a lot. 

4 minutes ago, KDawg said:

So… Timmy Chang is lighting the NFL aflame now, right?

He played below average competition. I would’ve passed on him. Pickett and your best buddy Sam play real competition in the acc. 

9 minutes ago, KDawg said:

By what metric was he not one of the best QBs in his conference? I’m not denying your opinion. Just trying to understand your stance.

Pickett, Hartman, and Armstrong were clearly better qbs this year than Howell. 
Im using the TD’s, Yards, Int metric. Plus just from games I’ve watched. 

5 minutes ago, KDawg said:

You’re really trying to nitpick and choose what words you latch on to and it’s a fairly annoying debate style. 
 

But I’ll bite. He can move. He’s not a pocket passer in the sense he’s a statue. He can move enough to use his legs to get out of problems and issues. He’s not going to be a running quarterback in the NFL.

 

This is essentially saying the same thing I said in the last post that you saw what you wanted to see from it. 

If he’s going to be good in the nfl it will be from the pocket. I just said he’s a little shorter than I like for an nfl pocket passer, not much though. My main concern is he fell off a little this year and wasn’t even one of the best qbs in his own conference. 

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

I never claimed he would. And he’s no where near the athlete that Willis is. He’s also clunkier when he runs than Willis or Corral. His change of direction is near negative. But he can run and get out of dodge if he has to. He’s not a pocket passing statue. Dude has some giddy up. 

If he’s gonna be the best qb in this class like you think he is, it will be from moving the ball through the air from the pocket. His legs will be a near zero threat to nfl teams. So if he’s not a pocket passer then I’d say he’s definitely not going to be the best qb in this class. 

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

He ran for nearly 1000 yards this year. He’s not really a pocket passer. Though he’s more of that than Willis and Corral.

Yeah he’s not going to be running for 1,000 in the nfl. Not even close. He’s nowhere near as athletic as Willis. 

3 hours ago, KDawg said:

You sign the bridge in case you screw up the rookie part. I don’t think Heinicke is as good as any of the three of the group of Mariota/Trubisky/Bridgewater, personally.

 

I also think you’re ruling out our best bet at rookie QB in Sam Howell. Though I like Corral quite a bit. 
 

But we need to get a high end vet, or a bridge + rookie. If the rookie is ready the bridge is a backup. So many backups played this year they’ll likely be forced into duty. 
 

I think the only points we are opposed on:

 

-Heinicke being better than Trubisky/Mariota/Bridgewater

 

-Strategy to go with a Rookie draft choice.

I’m not much on Howell bc he’s a little shorter than I like for a pocket passer and he wasn’t even top 3 in his own conference this year. Maybe you’re right though and he’s the best qb in this class. Time will tell

1 hour ago, KDawg said:

Right so I’m not sure what your point was with the taboo comment. People want a QB and believe the most realistic path is Trubisky/Bridgewater/Mariota and a rookie. No need to break that down to being something it’s not.

And I think there’s no point in paying  for Trubisky or Mariota when statistically and what I’ve seen with my own eyes, they’re no better than TH. I don’t think TH is a starter in this league and I’m sorry but I don’t think those two are either. Imo you either get the big qb like Rodgers, Watson, Wilson (all unlikely), trade for Mills if possible, or go get Pickett, Corral, or Willis and start them day 1 with TH as the backup. I definitely do not want to go into next season with TH as our starting qb. That’s something we both agree on. 

36 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

Extremely poor accuracy and decision making combined with a good athlete and good kid. 
 

But extremely poor accuracy. 
 

 

No it’s not. What’s taboo in this thread is going into the season with no one but what we currently have on the roster.

Pretty sure not one person in this thread has said we shouldn’t draft, trade for, or sign anyone and just go with TH next year. 

2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Watching Allen make plays with his legs, I think I'd more strongly consider Willis now. Take a shot at someone with real upside. What's the worst case scenario? We suck and try again in 3-4 years? I don't want to settle for an average to decent prospect. Go big or go home.

Willis has Lamar Jackson potential imo. I think he’s worth the risk. 

20 minutes ago, ultravin said:

What are your thought on Desmond Ridder?  His highlights look good.

He played against low talent teams and when he played a real team in the cfp he threw for 140 yds and 0tds. I don’t trust guys that didn’t play in a power conference. I know Josh Allen played for Wyoming but most of your good qbs come from sec, acc, big 10, big 12, pac 12 or whatever. He’s like Carson Strong, I would take him in rounds 5-7 but I’m definitely not taking him in rounds 1-2. 

2 hours ago, Redwards said:

Neither one of those players advances this team in a way we need to be advanced.  We're at a point where we have to have "the guy", who plays instantly and is a vet that absolutely puts us in immediate contention or a high 1st round rookie that looks worth being patient with.  Anything else and we're continuing to run on the treadmill to nowhere; it'll be yet another lost season.  Hard pass on both those guys.

Careful man, saying you don’t want Mariota or Trubisky is taboo in this thread 😂

51 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

 

He's not.  His limited arm strength and inaccuracy kills the offense.  He was 2nd in the NFL in turnover worthy plays at QB.  He's not a fill-in starter type.  If you draft a 1st round QB, then you need play him ASAP and take the lumps.  No need going with TH (who'll throw it up for grabs in the middle of the field constantly).  

I agree, if we draft qb in the 1st round he needs to be playing day 1. My argument is against people who think we need to bring in maritrubisky to start until the rookie is ready. I just don’t think they’re an upgrade from TH who already knows our system. I know he has a noodle arm and throws the ball up for grabs but he can play good if he has talent around him. He fell off when Thomas and Mckissick got hurt. 

8 minutes ago, Redskins 2021 said:

Th played as hard as possible but the team still failed. At a minimum they have to bring someone in to compete with him. Hopefully the player they bring in is head and shoulders better [Watson or Wilson]. If it's Trubsiky or Marrota they may still have to beat him out.

They also have to get a rookie because truth is TH, Marrota, and Trubsiky are not bring you to championship games. They need to get a guy who is a level or two above what those guys have played like in the past.

Exactly, none of them are going to improve our team. We already have two MariTrubiskis on our team (TH and Kyle Allen), why make it 3? It’s a pointless addition. Either go big with Watson or Wilson, or draft a rookie and go with TH as the temporary starter. Bringing in mediocrity from the outside solves nothing. 

35 minutes ago, Redskins 2021 said:

We want a better QB then Trubisky or Marrota but it might be all we can get. They will try to get a better Qb but if we can't they will get one of them and a rookie. 

 

I would rather stick with TH and a rookie. He already knows the system and is just as good if not better imo.

I may be wrong and stupid, but why in the world would we want to sign Mariota or Trubiski? They are trash 😂. I think TH is at least as good as them. I mean they’re back ups for a reason. I’ll vomit if we go into 2022 with either one of them. 

8 minutes ago, Redskins 2021 said:

The problem for Rivera is after winning the division alot more was expected. I expected a 10 win season last season and much improved QB play. He is in between a rock and hard place here.

Can a rookie Qb win 10. 

 

10+ should be the expectation for Ron in year 3 if he’s the coach/team builder we’ve been waiting for and I believe he is. I think we win 10 games this past season if we stay somewhat healthy. That many injuries is hard to overcome. I know every team has injuries  but it seems like we always get hit harder than most. I expect our overall roster to be better next year through drafting and free agency. The question is are any of these prospects better day 1 than Heineke? I believe Pickett, Corral, and Willis (in a Lamar Jackson style offense) are instant upgrades. Add in the fact that we’re going to have an easier schedule next year due to us finishing 3rd in our division and I think we get to 10 wins. Unless we have a ridiculous amount of injuries again. 

17 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

What I'm saying is I don't see Mills having a trade market value that high. He's a 3rd rounder who's only played one season, so it's super unlikely they'd be able to get a 1st round pick for him IMO. I think it would make more sense for them to keep him and see how he develops.

 

As far as this draft, I think they have so many holes that for them to jettison Mills and draft another QB in the 1st he'd have to be a guy they really liked and felt was a clear and obvious upgrade to Mills. I think in most drafts where you have a clear cut #1 QB it would be more likely, but in a draft where there's not much consensus and most of the prospects aren't considered blue chip prospects it becomes more muddy. 

I see what you’re saying. I’m just thinking of scenarios where we can get a possible good young qb and not have to trade multiple high picks to do so bc I don’t see Pickett or Corral falling to us at #11. But if we have to I think we should trade up for one of them. It would be a mistake to go with what we already have or get a proven mediocre qb that might be a small upgrade from Hieneke. 

2 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

I have a really hard time seeing a 3rd round rookie who played decently in his first season suddenly being worth #11 overall. That being said, IMO it would be sort of odd for Houston to have a somewhat successful rookie and then turn around and jettison him for a new rookie who hasn't even taken a snap. I think they'd have to really like one of the guys in order to do that. If there were a true consensus #1 blue chip QB prospect in this class I could see it, but as it is I'm not so sure.

 

As far as Houston and Watson, I think the issues there run way deeper than just the coaching staff. It seems like the damage between Watson and the organization in general is irreperable at this point.

So you’re saying Mills isn’t worth the 11th pick but they would pass on the top qb’s in this class bc they have Mills? 

5 hours ago, mistertim said:

Not sure I quite get the Mills talk. Everyone and their mother knows that Watson has said he won't play another down for the Texans. So they drafted a guy and he played pretty well for a rookie...and now they're suddenly going to turn around and try to trade the only decent QB on their roster? Makes zero sense.

I guess two scenarios I was thinking about would be if Houston hires a coach Watson likes or if they decide they want Pickett/Corral. They’d be turning a 2021 3rd round pick into the 2022 11th pick overall. Not a bad flip. I’m not saying that’s what they would ask for Mills bc idk what his value is right now. I would think it’s at least an early 2nd rounder. We have to make that trade if so. 

2 hours ago, shemp nixon said:

Does anyone think there is a QB in this draft worthy of this?

I think Pickett is worth it.