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16 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Oh I think a Washington Football team under preforming is extremally relevant to recent happenings here. That was my point. Not only should this not surprise you, it should be comfortable. I'm just taken aback at how anyone honestly expected anything else. 

 

I mean seriously lol. I thought we all expected them to clean house the minute the team was sold. Even Ron knows he is done. Maybe this is just me coping though. 

Oh got you. We’re on the same page then lol

18 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Standig

 

 

This is why relying on an essentially a raw rookie QB in year 4 was a crazy ass idea even if it was the “best” one. 
 

I think Sunday is a dud no matter what. They’re overmatched. I think next Thursday will be big though. Really have to have a good offensive performance against a perceived weaker team. 

Crazy how every coach here has a fetish for sounding stupid behind a mic. Really annoying 

https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/9/27/23892440/sam-howells-sack-issues-are-nothing-new
 

The issues aren’t new btw. UNC fans were having the exact same debates the past few years. Either that’s just Sam’s game or he’s just REALLY unlucky with who ends up blocking for him no matter where he plays. 
 

Most QBs have flaws. Thankfully they’re good at other stuff so it balances out. Sam does enough else where I think you can live with a propensity for sacks. 

2 hours ago, Llevron said:

Guys it’s a brand new system and it’s game 4. Act like you have been here before lol 

….Is the implication here that we’ve seen an offense get materially better over the course of season ? If so, which team and which offense are you referencing? They usually just suck around these parts.
 

I’m not out on this team yet but your statement just doesn’t fit anything related to recent Washington football lol 

Which is why I’m worried what’ll happen next Thursday. The Iggles game in my mind is going to be abject disaster. Little can change that in my mind. That Bears game is immense bc if we have another stinker there, I genuinely question if the narrative from Ron will still be “we have to develop Sam” bc at that point, he’ll be really on the hot seat. And that’s been my fear the entire offseason. 
 

Sam Howell needed a situation like 2020 or even 2021 where there were minimal expectations and he could learn on the job bc results really didn’t matter. He’s 3-1 as a starter so far of course but knowing he has performances like Sunday in his locker is going to make folks uncomfortable. 

They have no chance. Honestly. Horrible matchup. Last year was a complete fluke. I’m sure most folks realize that. I doubt the score will look as bad as Buffalo but they’ll never feel like they have any real hope

WSH 9

PHI 23 

McNabb

Grossman

Beck

Post knee RG3

pre-good Kirk

Absolute disasters at QB for like 85% of their tenure if not more. 

They don’t have a chance Sunday. Legitimately. Unless they turn back to caveman football I guess and run it 50 times and pray for lucky TOs like last season. 
 

That combination of Howell plus the line is literally throwing meat to wild lions. I know it’s a division game and all that but still. 

1 minute ago, Llevron said:

Best in the whole ****ing league tho? Come on. No one can actually believe that

It said they have the lowest share of blame of all pressures given up. That’s more of an indictment on Sam and less a glowing review of them. 

7 minutes ago, Llevron said:

It’s…..really hard for me to watch the games and come away thinking this is correct lol

I know. Every fan thinks their Oline is the worst in the league. 
 

Meanwhile, Bills players literally came out and said they know he holds on to the ball a ton and they were glad he did. 

Truly reminds me of these same types of debates from 2013 and 2014. 
 

I think Sam will be a decent QB some day but I also think the sacks will always be a part of his game. You take the big plays with the bad.

1 hour ago, Alexa said:

We have just an average team playing a young QB who was drafted in the 5th round. In year 4 of Ron this team should be farther along but it is what it is.

This is the crux of everything for me. 
 

It’s such a bizarre way to construct a team to be honest. I’d argue that outside of the most important position, the team is ready to be a consistent playoff team. Problem is that the coach is trying to win games while simultaneously bring along an extremely raw rookie QB. From a philosophical team building POV, it makes no sense and is why I don’t have a ton of faith in the plan. 
 

I think Howell will be a really solid QB one day but it might be a few years. I remember Kirk had a few stinkers in the same vein in ‘13 and ‘14 before he really figured it out later on in 2015. I don’t think they’re similar at all style wise but I think their talent levels/career expectations are within the same tiers. (Also, this is a good thing for anyone that gets weird about Kirk). 
 

For this team, I think you’re eventually going to have a point where you might have to decide between what’s best for winning the next game and what’s best for Sam’s development. I know we all pretty much exclusively care about the latter but embattled NFL coaches under microscopes are just trying to survive the next day…

Seems like the entire vision for the season is disjointed. I had a fleeting Hail Mary type hope that Sam was just one of those rare hidden gem types that is able to overcome the nonsense around him but no, he’s just a normal talented QB that needs time and nurturing. I’m just not sure he’s going to get it. That roller coaster ride ( A+ or F- performances week to week) is something that would have made sense for year 1 or 2 of a rebuild. Seems so out of place in this current situation. 

He built this team to be in the “In the Hunt” graphic come Nov/Dec. Not getting anything else unless he lucks into drafting a good QB and they have an outlier MVP season. We have years of data at this point. 

9 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Allen is just a complete game changer. There were quite a few plays where we got some good pressure, but he just bullied through them like a man amongst boys. I think people forget the guy is a top 3 QB in this league and legit MVP contender when he's on form. He has bad games every now and then but when he's on he's ON. 

I mean Howell holding on to the ball a long time isn't rocket science, but on 3rd and long(which I'd assume most of those 3rd downs were)you're gonna need around 3.5 seconds for guys to get downfield. Those numbers actually suggest its more on the OL, ~3.3 seconds isn't unreasonably long.

3.3 isn’t unreasonable? Really?

I just can’t believe after the great RG3 wars of the past decade that so many in our fanbase are still so quick to blame the Oline. Sam Howell took a ton of sacks in college. That’s literally his game. 
 

I honestly think every fanbase in the league with exception of maybe Dallas and Cleveland think they have a bottom 5 Oline. It’s such low hanging fruit to pick at. 
 

Our OLine can certainly be better but sacks are more influenced by QB than we want to admit. Some guys are just naturally inclined to take a bunch. We made the decision to start a rookie in a must win year so you have to take the good with the bad. 

Been on this site since I was 16 years old. 2009. Started watching games when I was 5 years old. Pain and suffering. Mostly because of him. 
 

And it’s over. I don’t have to think about him again. We’re a normal franchise.

I love you guys. I love this team. Let’s get behind the team this season. Every Sunday. 

I love you all. 
 

We survived it. 
 

i don’t know how but we did it. 
 

We have hope again!

 

Big 2019 vibes. 
 

Everybody and their mom will know he’s getting fired. 

4 hours ago, Stone Cold said:

His tools are very comparable to josh Allen’s…I’m sure I’ll catch flack for that, but I believe it

Let’s relax there. Josh Allen is a tank. Sam is slightly bigger than Heinicke 

I was not a fan of Howell coming out of the draft but man, loved what I saw today. My baseline with rookies is answering this question: “does he look like an NFL QB?” I think you can tell that answer immediately 

The answer was no immediately for me in regards to Haskins, Beck, and even Zach Wilson in NY 

Howell looked competent and flashed. That throw to Terry was one of best throws I’ve ever seen a Washington QB make in my life. 

11 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Ron won’t do anything.

Pity the fool that gives Lamar the long term deal. He’s already breaking down. Last 2 seasons missing time for injury.

 

I don’t want to spend any picks on trading for a qb. Plenty of stopgaps will be available as free agents.

 

I view 24 as the big move for qb under a new owner, new Gm and new coach.

 

Frankly, the best thing for this franchise long term is if 23 ends up being a tank year.

Yeah 2019 was exactly what the franchise needed 

Does a team even bring Wentz in next season? Not only does he suck but he’s a joke around the league and has rumors of being a bad teammate.