Going Commando

25 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Hes not the athlete La Porta is. La Porta gets open way more. I like Sinnot but do think we took him a wee bit early. Its nit picky though and ultimately I think we got a good football player.

Very similar builds and testing:

Laporta ran a better 40, but Sinnott's jumps were better.  Feels like the main difference between them is Laporta's hands are bigger, but Sinnott is a little bigger overall.  I think they're really similar players, both F / H-Back TEs in the Chris Cooley vein, both soft-handed pluckers with exceptional contested catch skills.  Unlike Cooley and Laporta, Sinnott is a true dog as a blocker.

It's water under the bridge now, but when I was watching Sinnott, it occurred to me that Will Howard is the guy that Drake Maye's critics thought he was.  I feel like that kind of summed up the lack of perspective that they had.  But now that Howard is going to get tutored by a guru in Ryan Day and play with all of that blue chip talent, I can see him becoming a high quality NFL prospect next year.  He would be my early pick for QB1.

14 hours ago, seantaylor=god said:

From Ben Standig via the Athletic:
 

BYU’s Kingsley Suamataia  garnered some late first-round chatter, but three team/league sources told The Athletic they lowered their grades after concerns emerged during the pre-draft process. Suamataia was selected by the Kansas City Chiefs at No. 63.

I wish Standig would specify what the concerns were.  It's too vague to judge whether or not we were justified in passing over him based on them without knowing the nature of the concerns.  I heard a rumor that he was homesick at Oregon and that's why things didn't work out there, but if that's the concern, that would not have kept me from picking him.

Didn't realize Sinnott was so low on the consensus boards.  I had him at 58 on my board, so for me we got him at about his natural slot.  I don't understand why he was outside the top 100 for so many sources.  What am I missing?  I didn't see any weaknesses and he popped on film like LaPorta did last year.

Michael Davis feels like a starter in our scheme.  He should be out best press coverage guy.  I think corner is going to feel like much less of a need after next season, because I think our coaches are going to get Forbes, Juice, and Davis playing well.  Our slot DBs are some of the best athletes and highest upside players on the defense.

The guy I'm most excited to see this year is Jamin.  He has an opportunity to become an impact player in this scheme.  Luvu and Wagner should get most of the snaps in the stack, and Jamin can play the Micah Parsons role. We didn't target any rush linebackers in the draft, and that was probably because of the way the board fell.  But it could have also been a quiet endorsement of Jamin for that role.

IMO the last big needs we have on D are getting that lead edge rusher who can dictate protection schemes, and getting that safety/slot/overhang player that can lead our coverages and direct our traffic.  These are the roles thay I am hoping Sainristil and Jamin grow into.

Those high school stats are Derick Brown-esque.  Who were he and Jayden playing high school football against?  These guys?

6 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

He's a beast. Ionidis 2.0 but even more athletic.

I like Zierlein's Javon Hargrave comp.  Explains why Peterson liked him.  I don't know if he'll be as good as Hargrave, whose pass rush production was insane in college, but he's in the same vein of player.

Being the B1G DPOY is no joke.  The conference had the best defenses in it by far this year.

12 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

I am gonna go watch some tape on Magee. Because I didnt watch a second of him unfortunately. Athleticism and leadership appear to be what matters to Peters and Quinn. 

Me neither.  I had to make choices about who to not watch and leave off my rankings because I ran out of time, and LBer came down to either watching Magee or watching Nathaniel Watson and I went with Watson.  But I'm actually excited to go back and watch Magee.  Picking him gives me a reason to, whereas I probably never would have watched him otherwise.

Damn, Arizona has loaded up in this draft.  They really beefed up their secondary, and if they can continue building their lines, they can get good.  Really tough division, but they could be a worst to first candidate.

The Rams are having a home run draft though, they're getting a lot better too.

I had Sinnott and Sainristil at 58 and 59 on my own board.  Just going off that board, we pretty much got them at slot, or after a tiny reach that isn't meaningful this late in the class.

The problem for me is Kingsley Suamataia was still on the board at both picks, and I had him way higher on my personal board, and he fit a really big roster need too.  I like both Sinnott and Sainristil, but I would have sacrificed one of those two in order to get Kingsley.

The caveat is maybe there were character concerns with Kingsley we didn't know about.  It would take something more than homesickness for me to move off him, but maybe there were work ethic concerns.  If so, then I am fine with both Sinnott and Sainristil over him.  But if that's not the case and he pans out big in KC, then passing over him will haunt us unless both Sainristil and Sinnott are big time hits too.

Looks like he's either left handed or fairly ambidextrous.  Should make it easy for him to flip with the strength of the formation.  Guys are harder to pass block when they are equally comfortable attacking either side of you.  Especially when they have a big first step like Newton does.

Judging from our new personnel on the DL, I would guess we'll run a stunt heavy 4-3 with an emphasis on generating A and B gap pressure.  Not going to be much two gapping I think.  We've been good for a while at generating pressure, especially from the interior.  But now our coverages should be way better about matching our pressure schemes.  With Forbes, Davis, Sainristil, Forrest, and Quan in the secondary, we should be able to generate a lot of turnovers now.  I would expect the plan to be to use Davis and Juice for press coverage, and keep the other guys in zones.

I'd be shocked if our defense doesn't massively improve next year.  It should go from one of the worst back into the top ten, just off adding Luvu and Wagner and finding way better coaches.  But there are a few notable holes in it still.  We need Martin or Forest to step up as a traffic director for the secondary.  Some of that can come from Wagner, but he shouldn't be playing a ton of coverage at this point in his career. 

Second, and perhaps even bigger, we need to find a stud edge player.  Almost every great defense is led by one.  We need that Alpha dog edge that dictates the protections and punishes opponents when they mess up and neglect to slide protections at him.  Trey Hendrickson requested a trade...

4 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

They don’t have to trade him. When his contract is up, they won’t resign him.

He should retire a Commander.  That'll be a marker of an actual culture change.

7 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Now that Day 2 is in the books, just chuckling a bit that some people thought Tez Walker would actually go in the 1st round. He’s now a 4th rounder at best. 
 

Maye was throwing to absolute bums. 
 

Anyway, I’m all aboard the Daniels train now.  
 

Hail. 

And with Pearsall going in the first, that means Jayden played with at least four first round receivers in college.  The discrepancy in surrounding talent was massive and obvious to anyone being intellectually honest.  It also doesn't feel great that we're an NFL team and Jayden is going to be throwing to players here who are substantially worse than his college teammates.

Dotson needs to blow up.  It's time for him to earn his draft status.  Actually that's never going to happen.  We need to be very aggressive in hunting veteran receiver talent.  We need to pull someone big, of the caliber of a Tyreek Hill, Stephon Gilmore, DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Brown, DJ Moore.  Wish we had been able to get Mike Evans.

The Rams are having an epic draft.  How tf are they so good at the draft, and yet they farted away all of their draft picks for about eight years in a row?

Sneaky great FO.  Famously great coaching staff.  They've reloaded.  That division is going to be a bloodbath next year.

2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Kingsbury is gonna have some real fun with Sinnot and Mccaffery. Our offense will be fun to watch but might take some time to get going.

I don't have a good feeling about Kingsbury.  He and the OL coach were the two parts of our coaching search where it seemed like we got swindled.

Something about Kingsbury feels very smoke and mirrors.  Like his real talent is for latching on to authentic talent, doing less with more, getting fired, then landing on his feet with some other great job.  He's got this knack for coaching these genius QBs, and then they have the worst period of their football careers with him.  I wish we could do better for Jayden.

That said, at least for once our entire FO and coaching staff is on the same page about a QB.  If we have to replace Kingsbury in 2025, we can do that.

Just now, FootballZombie said:

These two guys are in position to get significantly better real fast.

I'm not sure about that with Sainristil.  He's going to be a 24 year old rookie, and he's tiny.  He needs to be good immediately, because most NFL corners lose that step really soon after 25.  But he's an All American and is already good.

8 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

The run on Ts in round 1 hurt. We tried to trade up for one, but ultimately I think a combo of Newton and Sainrstil or Sinnot is better than any T we coulda gotten. 

I think we should have picked Kingsley.  Give me Kingsley and one of either Sainristil or Sinnott.  I like both of them, but I'd rather have taken a big swing on Kingsley.  The Chiefs got a steal.

11 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

Gotta say....I expected a little more OL emphasis

Yeah me too.  Newton's good.  I like Sainristil and was on his bandwagon early.  I liked Sinnott and had him as the clear cut #2 TE.  I even like McCaffrey despite the reach, because I got to watch his bowl game live and see the defensive attention he got.  Had him circled as a Day 3 value option.

I'm nervous about Coleman.  He's an interesting project, and I see the foundation that they are banking on.  He has fantastic flexibilty and plays so low.  Good anchor power and good hands.  But he's really up and down.  His SB reps were either brick wall great, or he got shucked by Braswell right off the snap/tractored back into the QB by Sweat/LSU IDL.

Do we know if we drafted Coleman to play OT or OG?  I think there are pros and cons to both plans.  He kind of has to play OT right?  That left side of the line is a mess.  Stromberg, please step up 🙏🙏

Man I am really not sure about Coleman at LT.  I see the the length/speed/flexibility combo, but the sets are so uneven, and when he loses, it's pretty bad.

I don't love him as Plan A at tackle when we don't have a real Plan B.  And I don't love coming out of this stacked OT class with such a gamble at the position, and an OL coach that bombed at his last job in charge of his development.

Man, that feels early.  But talk about having NFL bloodlines.

Jarrian Jones to the Jags.  That's the pick I made as them in the ES Mock.  That should be worth at least 1,000 mock draft points.

2 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

GC what are your thoughts about Newton?

BPA candidate and solid first round talent.  The guys I had over him were Suamataia, Beebe, Corum, and DeJean, but he was the next one after that, and there was no chance anyone would ever pick Beebe or Corum over him.  I had him at 25th overall, so the value is +11 for where we got him.  I had him in the same tier as Byron Murphy, and that Newton had a reasonable case for being IDL1.

I think it's a good pick, and that IDL was being slept on as a big need.  We have rotation depth at Edge, but zero quality rotation players behind Daron and Allen.  Their snaps have been way too high throughout their careers, and it was going to become a major problem as they enter their late 20s.

I thought Kneeland's film was pretty unimpressive.  Just boring reps, few wins, very limited explosiveness.  His SB reps were better, but nothing dominant.  I don't see second round pick at all with him.

We did have a need at IDL FWIW.  But Newton is a BPA pick.  I am always a fan of BPA picks.  There was a couple month run where Newton was IDL1 and mocked in the early first round.

57 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

You guys can continue to clutch your pearls over this if you like, but McCarthy never said this. This is from a Twitter account that posts a bunch of funny "jokes" like this. 

 

It's the same guy who "quoted" Keenen Allen as saying he was most excited to play with Justin Fields when he got dealt to Chicago.

 

He also had a "news story" a little bit ago that Drake Maye was telling even NFL team that he would only play for the Vikings. 

Oh Good Lord.  I should have known better than to trust these tweets.  I can't keep track of which ones are parody accounts.

4 minutes ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said:

Where did the trade for Aiyuk chatter come from? I see it on every other page. Is this just a scenario we created on ES?

 

Why would we trade for him? Let Peters find some new guys. Our guys. Build a young core. That trade feels like the definition of a short cut. 

He publicly requested a trade a day or two before the draft.  SF said they won't trade him.  But Aiyuk tossed the grenade.  It's a pay me or trade me situation with him now, and they might not have the money to keep him.