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Read this article on Iran's missile improvement.  This right here is the reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/how-a-quantum-change-in-missiles-has-made-iran-a-far-more-dangerous-foe/2020/01/07/63020a0c-30c7-11ea-9313-6cba89b1b9fb_story.html

7 hours ago, Destino said:

Of course their missiles can reach US bases in Iraq, they’re a neighboring country.  Was this ever in doubt?  What stops Iran from attacking the US directly isn't missile technology, its the reality that war with the US isn’t a fight they can win.  It’s not even a fight they can fight.  
 

Iran’s missile attack today was an attempt to save face.  They thumbed their noses at the tiger, but knew better than to pull its tail. 

Ehh,It's a fight that America doesn't want to get into either.  Isn't that obvious? Iran has alliances all over the region.  You want to start a regional warfare? Where's all this skirmish going on right now?  Iran or is it Iraq?

Of course America always wins wars, but then what?  Stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan for decades.

I am reading that Iran has the largest arsenal of ballistic missile in all of the middle east. What did Afghanistan have? It was  probably the poorest country in the world even back then. This year alone, there were 20 dead Americans in Afghanistan. Not a big number, but this after close to 20 years.

What's a win for America? Military vs military?  Yeah, that's a win.  Who doubts that? Then what? 

The Ayotollah has his followers no matter how unpopular he is, just as Saddam had his supporters. So prepare to fight his followers for decades.

With a country 4 times the size of Iraq, good luck with that. It's also a much bigger country population wise.

No Iraqi casualties either, per CNN.

How big is this base?  It's supposed to be a mix of Iraqis and Americans (with probably way more Iraqis).  However, no Americans got killed.  Wondering if their missiles are this precise.

Based on Trump's tweet, I think this is it.  We are deescalating.

So Iran's missiles appear to easily reach American bases. This is now. They're going to keep improving their technology.

CNN reporting that casualty on the Iraqi side.  

13 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

 

We'd have to conquer and stay there forever. What's the cost of that? Afghanistan and Iraq didn't ready shown us that? If we left the Middle East today, they'd turn on each other. They'd go after Saudi Arabia an then Israel. Anything Nuclear would turn that region radioactive within years. 

I am no expert on radiation, but let's say we nuke Iran.  Will some of that radiation travel to Europe? Europe isn't too far. India and Pakistan are pretty close by. Russia is right there. China not too far.  Iran seems to be in the middle of everywhere.

9 minutes ago, Larry said:

Does Iran have the ability to make the US conquering Iran cost more than the US is willing to pay?  Absolutely.  While the US military has awesome capabilities, the amount which the American populace are willing to expend is vastly smaller, in terms of lives, expense, and time.

This right here is the problem.  We will no doubt win the war, but what about casualty?  How long will it go?  

The United States is struggling in Iraq and Afghanistan.  What will it mean if another country is added to the mix?

Furthermore, what will the cost be?  The deficit is high as it is due to Trump's tax cuts. The economy may be affected.  

1 hour ago, skinsmarydu said:

They've had 40 years to plan, and technology has advanced in that time. They're already hacking websites, doing the things that don't kill, just cripple. (For metaphors' sake, the 9/11 attacks didn't "kill" the US, but they crippled us terribly.) 

They can cripple us that way, but keep in mind that they have tested some of their missiles against Isis. So those missiles may work against the United States.

We can already see that war against Iran will end up being a war against Iraq as well due to the militia backed by Iran.  Then we have groups like Hezbollah as well.

7 hours ago, twa said:

 

A Nobel peace prize nominee sound better?

 

if you can't get past your idea the Shia and Sunni can't work together we are wasting our time.

I looked up his nomination for nobel prize.  First, the Nobel Prize does not confirm nomination for 50 years.  Second, the guy claiming to have nominated the author above also claimed to have nominated John Bolton.

Reading about him, he has an agenda.

Anyway, how does this guy know more than everybody else when it comes to Benghazi? Trying to link Iran to Benghazi is just conspiracy theory similar to Pence linking Iran to 9/11.

How can Soleimani be the main figure behind Benghazi when the main group behind the attack was Ansal al-Sharia, which is a Salafi-Jihadist group?  Salafi-Jihadism is strictly Sunni.  This seems like a conspiracy theory to me.  The article is here (written by a conservative author):

https://nypost.com/2014/06/20/how-irans-spy-chief-paid-for-the-benghazi-attack/

Destroying cultural sites is a war crime.  If that does happen, would the lunatic go to jail?  He should, but he won't.  

Can you believe any crap that comes from this government?  BS like this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/us/politics/pence-iran-factcheck.html

I don't need to read any articles to know that Al Qaeda doesn't get along with the Shias.

42 minutes ago, ClaytoAli said:

He was in Iraq, acting in the interest of regionally killing Americans for Iran, right?

 

You don't know that.  How do you know that he was there in order to kill Americans?  Just because Trump and his people say so? The dumbass Pence is suggesting that Soleimani is somehow connected to 9/11.  A Shiah supporting Al Qaeda?  Yeah, like I believe that BS.

 I don't believe any crap that comes from this government, period.

7 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said:

Can anyone with knowledge of the region shed some light as to what extent the Shia in Iraq are pro-Iran?  Is there a possibility of full fledged civil war in Iraq between Shia, Sunni and Kurds ? 

They are pro-Iran due to the religious connection.  At the same time, Iraqis are Arabs, whereas Iranians are not.  On the other hand, Kurds and Persians are ethnically connected (this is the Indo-Iranian connection).  

If Kurds were forced to choose between Arabs and Iranians, they would chose Iranians.

The odd one out here appear to be the Sunnis.

Iran has a big Kurdish population, approximately 6 million.  I don't see them asking to separate as much as we see in Turkey.

My previous boss was an Assyrian Christian from Iran.  He told me that people of all ethnicities got along well in Iran.  Of course this was in the early 90's.  You could find Jews, Christians, Muslims, all in the same village.  The benefit of living in the DC region is you meet people from all over the world.  Even rare kinds.  Never thought I would meet an Assyrian from Iran.

It is an absolute truth that the Shiahs are more tolerant than Sunnis.  The Iranians still celebrate their pre-Muslim Zoroastrian holiday (Nowruz)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nowruz

The question is, it is oil, or is it religion that makes the middle east the most important region in the world? 

Even back in the days when oil wasn't so important, they were launching the crusades.

Read the entire thread above.  

5 minutes ago, nonniey said:

He is the leader of the revolutionary guard which also has responsibility for Iran's international terrorist efforts (They also were the ones thought to be directly involved in last years tanker bombings and the missile attack on the Saudi refinery.  The poster you were responding to doesn't know what he is talking about - Within Iran they are the most hated government group.  

No, the revolutionary guard is not hated.  The Iranians hate their government, but not the revolutionary guard.  There was an article about this just a few months ago.  They are seen as guardians.

There was a point in Iran, when the revolutionary guard wasn't like as much.

Anyway, I am not going to argue with you.  You know why, because if Iran retaliates, I won the argument. If they don't, you win.  If things escalate, I was right, and you don't know what you're talking about.

Oil price is jumping.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-prices-jump-middle-east-014535784.html

I recall back in 2007 or 2008, right before the recession, oil price hit 100 dollars a barrel.

7 minutes ago, nonniey said:

No it's not that guy was one of the biggest destabilzers in the region.  He also responsible for hundreds of American deaths. this was long over due.  Iran has to now realize if they want to kick it up any further that we are willing to target their top leaders. 

We'll see.  You seem so sure.

1 minute ago, visionary said:

I don't think he's revolutionary guard.  He's behind setting up proxy groups and terror cells around the world.

The Quds force is supposedly a unit of the revolutionary guard.  That's what makes it a big deal.

5 minutes ago, visionary said:

Glad he's dead.  He's responsible for a ton of deaths in Iraq and Syria and around the world. There are going to be a lot of people celebrating tonight.   Hopefully things don't spiral out of control now though.  

Of course it's going to spiral out of control.  Now, Iranians in general don't love their government, but they love the Revolutionary Guard.  They had all those protests going on recently.  Something to be united about now.

This is a disaster for that region.