CommDownMan

22 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

I actually agree that his being cut is absolutely improbable, but improbable things are a certainty in this life-- each of us are living proof of that truth.

 

Think about it. A man produces approximately 500 billion sperm in his lifetime.

 

What are the chances that one of those sperms ended up producing any of us?

 

Yet here we  stand..

This is true, but also 100% of us on this board won that lottery.

A fact that has no bearing on your current debate, but I wanted to say it anyway.

1 hour ago, OtisDriftwood25 said:

I heard somewhere we are up to 43 new players entering camp including UDFA. Pretty amazing overhaul.

9 draft picks

11 UDFA last I saw

22 FA

I think we had one international player signing, maybe that's the 43rd I'm missing.

6 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

Or both ?

Trent Willaims and Aiyuk for a 3rd.  Done 😄

Just now, Est.1974 said:

Yep I nearly threw that one on there too….

Sometimes they write themselves.  Haha

12 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

So we’ve brought in Wiley and Yankoff. 

Thankfully we went Daniels.

Penix / Yankoff completions would have sent this place into madness.

10 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

We’re going to have a lot of rookies on the roster this year.

Probably 8-10ish.  

Add 22 FA signings (although I don't expect all to make the final 53).

There is a solid chance 27+ spots change this offseason, meaning more than 50% of the active roster.  I knew roster turnover was coming, but 50+ % in one year is higher than I expected.  Between FO, coaching staff and guys in the locker room, I can understand why a few players have said it feels like they've been traded.

18 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

Thank you. Yes, doing a rough positional grouping. Looking to see who could be the 25 guys that make the roster as of today.

 

From that group, who should drop out and whom should be added in?

Chig Anusie just got 350k guaranteed as a udfa.  No lock obviously, but clearly they like him at this point.   

22 minutes ago, method man said:

If you are arguing that Roseman had a stronger base to work from, I kind of get that argument. However, one can easily ask why they didn’t move back at certain spots to pick up more Day 3 picks this year to get more players in now to build that stronger base. It is especially disappointing given the consistent discovery of long term starters in Day 3 is what Peters is known for.

 

I heard this stupid argument from Keim that must have come from this FO that they didn’t want too many picks because it could cause issues with resigning that many guys to second contracts. That is 1) inherently arrogant because it assumes you are going to have an amazing hit rate and 2) shortsighted because if guys perform and you can’t keep them, you trade them for picks or get comp picks, which you can continuously recycle like how Howie has

Yes, I'm saying Roseman started in a better position to punt picks to future years.  The Eagles have a solid player base already.

Using OT as an example, Commanders tried to trade up in first and saw all of wave 1 OTs get drafted.  Then is second round they started to look into move up, maybe again for an OT.  Coleman might have been their pick at 67, but it might have also been a move made by a rookie GM that needed to have an answer at OT.  Not a reach necesarily, but also not in position to trade back and add picks.

My post was talking about grading the GM, as opposed to the players.  I think Peters was at a disadvantage vs Roseman from the team and moments like 67 his hand was a bit forced (this is my feeling).  I think overall the players fit scheme and I see action towards a plan.  I hope there is a bit more polish on his drafts as Peter's has more time in the position.  

I also agree with your second point.  Find me 10 starters a year in the draft and you never actually need to pay anyone of a second contract.  (You'd get salary floor penalties, but that's not my point).  Get all the talent you can and let Peter's work it out.  

edit: one other note, this is also why bad teams tend to stay bad and good teams tend to stay good.  Roseman is constantly in position to master the draft, helps his team and is ready to do it again in 2025.  Commanders over several coaching staffs traded future picks for needs and ALWAYS needing something every year.  The reason I want to see Peter's do better, is a shift there would make me feel like we turned a corner.

1 minute ago, Riggo#44 said:

Or, you know, give the players time to actually take a snap before making any judgements

I think you can do both.

I think Peters did well with the draft.  But judging the draft should include all the 2025 picks that Roseman got.  His ability to move about is really impressive (which sucks).

That being said, part of that ability is having done it over several years, his team has a stronger base to work with.  As a result, there is less need to build the roster and allows for more gambles.  Trading out of 3 picks for future picks means you have a team that is well built now (generally), and Peters didn't inherit that luxury.

We had one successful trade down and at least 2 mentions of failed trade ups (end of first and end of second I think).  Whether it was first draft nerves, sticking to the board or simply working through being the top guy with all it entails, there were times it appears we weren't able to get our guy.  I do wonder if Coleman was the target and 49ers did Peters a solid saying that wasn't who KC wanted (but we'll never know).  I think grrading the ability to move around can be judge now, as it has nothing to do with players suscess of the field.

Peters did well from a handling the responsibility point of view.  Any of us doing something for the first time there is going be room for improvement..  Comparing him to Roseman at this point is a high bar.  There are pkenty of GMs that did far worse with more experience.  However, the goal should be the best and to do that we need to beat the best.  For Peters that is as a GM and his target should be beating GMs for Eagles, Ravens, Steelers.  It was a solid start, but I believe there will be some lessons learned and there is room for improvement.  

11 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Not always true I agree but often it is or at least a tipping point everything being equal. I read an article once on the subject where an agent said money is often key 

Seeing Hampton make comments about wanting to go to washington is sure nice to see though.  They have a great coaching contingent that can divide and conquer the phone lines.  Hopefully we see a few worthy players.

14 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I feel like I’m typing something subconsciously that people are getting the opinion I think Lucas is good.

 

I think he’s serviceable. 
 

Trust Peters, okay?! He’s the best

 

In all seriousness: my point, of the post that started this odd chain of events, was Wylie sucks worse. That’s all. Not that Lucas is an all pro.

So draft Beebe and move Cosmi back to RT could help.

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

Why are we spoiling? 

Some people truly can't help it, sad as it may be.

1 minute ago, SkinsFTW said:

Is Goodell still drunk?

Best way to avoid a hangover...

Just now, Redd said:

Sooooooo the Penix pick. No faith for Kirk Cousins I guess🤷

They guaranteed a lot of money for someone they don't trust.

54 minutes ago, OtisDriftwood25 said:

That would take the team trading to 2 multiple trades to get to us. So you overpay to get to 4 and overpay us to get to 2. I guess if you love a certain quarterback what’s an extra first round pick.

My point was we better like all 4 QBs at that point, because we would be getting the last of the top 4.  

I wouldn't be sad about the extra draft capital, but it's risky if you are assuming which guy falls to 4.

41 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

Assuming Greenburg has solid inside info this could mean a trade back, perhaps to 4 allowing the Patriots to select the populart presumptive second best qb in the draft, Daniels while we take the qb we always wanted most-- either McCarthy or Maye-- allowing Peters to pick up additional draft capital for our rebuild/retool.

 

Like it, as long as we know our guy will be there.

If we trade back to 4, I'm assuming it's a 3 team shuffle with Arizona and Minnesota (maybe another QB needy team, but still someone that will take a QB).  If that's the case, then Minny/other picks 2nd QB and Patriots are picking the 3rd QB most likely and we're settling for the last of 4.  That would be bold unless they like all 3 really closely.

1 hour ago, Anselmheifer said:

No. They don’t reconstruct ithe ACL in a lot of non athletes. Especially in Europe. 
 

I wonder if it’s true that Wilson doesn’t have an ACL. I hadn’t heard that.

 

There was some NBA prospect a while back that was missing both and did well. But, different sport obviously. 

I've always thought it was needed more for Side to side motion.   So I would think it's important for a LB.  

So straight line activities like running are ok,  but playing shortstop or tennis would be a big risk to further injury. 

3 hours ago, MisterPinstripe said:

What in the world is going on with Justin Simmons? Feels like at this point someone will get him rather cheap on a 1 year deal?

I think he's probably waiting for teams that miss out on the draft or have an injury.  But he may also eventually sign cheap if that doesn't work as he hopes.

7 hours ago, srtman04 said:

I had a dream last night that we took a DE with the 2nd pick instead of a QB.   I was so pissed lol.....then I woke up.  

Sorry to break it to you,  but that was 2020 and it really happened... but that's forget all about that please... 

15 hours ago, mhd24 said:

No way Robinson makes it to 36.  He's scheduled to attend the draft.  The NFL isn't inviting players to sit all day and not get picked.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-green-room-players-left-will-levis-undrafted/hmjnudeusio0mdppxzacvoar

I mean you could be right, but an invite is no guarantee.

edit: super slow.  But links?!? 

1 hour ago, Llevron said:

 

I straight up tell my wife im on Extreme Skins as suggestively as possible and watch her internal panic. The first time it was an accident but now its just for fun. 

I really wonder what IT thinks if they've ever run a history on me.  Haha.

6 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

How did the Drake May/Jayden Daniels thread take over the FA thread? There’s a dedicated place for this conversation. 

Until we have one,  it's seems most threads go the way of the qb debate.   I don't even go to the qb thread and know the battle underway. 

Kicker,  long snapper,  re- signed Reaves and Crowder,  Pittman and now Igbinoghene.  

Even special teams has gotten a big boost.   

7 minutes ago, redskinss said:

 

I always wondered why the cap hit can't be negotiated in the trade.

A big portion of what makes it so big is the bonus money already paid.  The new team can't take money paid in the past and the values get accelerated to the original team.  There isn't a way for the new team to take on cashed checks.

Although looking here, there are lots on option bonuses that a new team could potentially take on.  So the dead caps listed here are in the event of a cut.  Maybe a trade wouldn't be as painful depending on the contract language.  Second edit: The first option bonus triggers 3/22, so I think the 50.6 mill 2024 and 45 mill 2025 would become hit for the new team.