Skinsinparadise

3 hours ago, DJHJR86 said:

 

He was always very efficient in terms of protecting the ball in college.  He also had one of the lowest amount of attempts (13.9% IIRC) of passes 10+ yards.  This is who he is.  He isn't some gunslinger.  He's like Marcus Mariota with elite speed and great elusiveness.  Think of Alex Smith in 2018 if he had elite speed.  

 

Now...can he grow from that?  Possibly.  But that is what he is right now.  And I agree that it will not be sustainable against teams with an above average offense because this defense is laughable.  

I assume you mean Alex's career year in 2017?   I get the point.  I think one thing some miss about Alex is his accuracy was just OK.  Great decision maker but accuracy was nothing special.

Jayden's accuracy is arguably special.  Plus Jayden is much more ballsy by reputation with the game on the line than Alex. 

Alex if he had elite speed and special accuracy with a clutch gene for big moments and big games with a slightly stronger arm.

But colleagues also pointed to the rookie's poise during a game in which he had to escape numerous pressures. Daniels showed that poise again Sunday.

"He hasn't been fazed," Robinson said. "Not one time by anything negative that happens. I haven't seen his energy go down or anything. He's as positive as anybody on his team. Even in the most critical times or when things are backed up. He's a great leader in those situations. He's able to fight through as our quarterback to help put us in a better situation."

Daniels has yet to throw a touchdown -- or an interception.

"He has a real conscious for the ball," Quinn said. "That was one of the things that made him so unique coming out of college. He has a mindset about it."

Coaches also call Daniels a quick study. Early in the fourth quarter Sunday, he connected with Noah Brown for a 15-yard gain on the right side. Then, on the final drive, Washington returned to a similar route concept with Brown. Daniels looked left, then returned to his right and connected with him for a 34-yard gain to the Giants' 43 that sparked the drive.

"I knew he was able to win on that route if I got the time I needed," said Daniels, who exchanged jerseys after the game with former LSU teammate Malik Nabers.

Daniels also converted a third-and-13 by scrambling for 14 yards. The one hiccup: He was sidelined when he got the wind knocked out of him. As Daniels ran upfield, he looked to his right and saw the first-down marker, then cut upfield between two defenders and was drilled in the stomach by corner Dru Phillips.

"He's a tough dude," Robinson said. "Over time he's going to continue to show how he's a player. What more would I want from a quarterback that's willing to put his body on the line at a critical time?"

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41277495/commanders-qb-jayden-daniels-shows-poise-first-win

Jayden as @BatteredFanSyndrome was a different dude his last season in college.  He might not always throw them a ton but is deadly when he does.

https://miketanier.substack.com/p/ultimate-quarterback-stat-pack-jayden

LSU’s Jaden Daniels produced the most impressive deep passing statistics of the last decade in 2023. 

Daniels completed 53-of-79 passes of 15-plus air yards for 1,783 yards, 24 touchdowns and just one interception. His completion rate of 67.1% on deep passes led the nation. Don’t let your eyes gloss over that number: a completion percentage of 67.1% would be impressive on all passes, including screens and dump-offs. For deep passes, it’s beyond exceptional. 

Daniels’ Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt (ANY/A) of 28.1 were 34.4% higher than the second-place figure (20.9) of USC’s Caleb Williams.

Here are the 2023 deep passing statistics for the major quarterback prospects in the 2024 NFL draft. All stats in this feature come from Sports Info Solutions.

Passes of 15-plus Air Yards, 2023

Jayden Daniels: 53-of-79 (67.1%), 1783 yards, 24 TD, 1 INT, 28.1 ANY/A

Caleb Williams: 47-of-86 (54.7%), 1612 yards, 16 TD, 3 INT, 20.9 ANY/A

Bo Nix: 44-of-78 (56.4%), 1,420 yards, 14 TD, 3 INT, 20.1 ANY/A

Drake Maye: 63-of-122 (51.6%), 1884 yards, 15 TD, 4 INT, 16.4 ANY/A

J.J. McCarthy: 47-of-87 (54.0%), 1,145 yards, 12 TD, 2 INT, 14.9 ANY/A

Michael Penix: 72-of-150 (48.0%), 2,186 yards, 18 TDs, 8 INT, 14.6 ANY/A

Spencer Rattler: 35-of-74 (47.3%), 1,081 yards, 7 TD, 6 INT, 12.9 ANY/A

Jordan Travis: 28-of-85 (32.9%), 831 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT, 10.7 ANY/A

South Carolina’s Spencer Rattler and Florida State’s Jordan Travis will appear throughout this feature’s tables as a kind of control group to illustrate what a lower-tier prospect’s stats typically look like. Rattler and Travis are a clear notch below the others in this category. 

Daniels attempted just 327 total passes in 2023. Washington’s Michael Penix led the nation with 555 attempts. Naturally, there is a wide disparity in their raw deep-passing numbers. But Daniels threw for just 403 fewer yards in a little more than half as many attempts! And Penix was among the nation’s best-regarded deep passers.

Penix’s eight interceptions on deep passes nerf his ANY/A and should give draft analysts pause. No one else besides Daniels really sticks out. Michigan’s J.J. McCarthy and Oregon’s Bo Nix, the purported dink-and-dunkers of this draft class, have competitive deep-passing numbers.

Here are the highest ANY/A figures for deep passes (minimum 50 passes of 15-plus air yards) in the Sports Info Solutions database since 2016:

Jayden Daniels, 2023: 67.1% completion rate, 28.1 ANY/A

Mac Jones, 2020: 61.8% completion rate, 24.2 ANY/A

Joe Burrow, 2019: 61.2% completion rate, 23.2 ANY/A

Mike White, 2015: 52.0% completion rate, 22.8 ANY/A

Grayson McCall, 2021: 63.3% completion rate, 22.7 ANY/A

Sam Howell, 2020: 50.6% completion rate, 21.1 ANY/A

If we focus on completion rate – a useful metric for accuracy when discussing only deep passes – Daniels posted the highest figure on record in 2023. The only rates over 60% in the database: Coastal Carolina’s Grayson McCall in 2019; Mac Jones at Alabama in 2020, Joe Burrow at LSU in 2019 (all listed above), Nix in 2022 (61.4%) and Matt Corral at Ole Miss in 2021 (60.0%).

Daniels’ eye-popping deep-passing figures in the SEC, coupled with his scrambling ability and measurables, are enough to clearly make him a better overall prospect than Drake Maye. In fact, these figures make me wonder if he is a better overall prospect than Williams.

I don't think its a coincidence that Aldred Morris had his one career year in 2012

https://nypost.com/2024/09/16/sports/shane-bowens-giants-run-defense-trampled-by-commanders-in-loss/

The threat of Daniels keeping the ball on option runs opened up lanes for Robinson, who broke off a 40-yarder in the third quarter to set up — what else? — one of Austin Seibert’s seven field goals.

“Hats off to them, they did a great job executing,’’ defensive end Brian Burns said. “That offensive style, I got to watch the film to see exactly what happened but just the read option and the RPO, they’re able to kind of manipulate the defense in a way where everybody has to do their one job. If somebody’s out of their gap, they can hit it.’’

Galdi drinking the Kool Aid, i mostly am too

2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Are the WRs that bad that a great QB can't throw them open or is the QB un able to hit WRs?

 

I think it's bad WRs and a rookie QB that won't throw to WRs.

Don't know.  But am cynical about the WRs after the Tampa game where I saw the WRs were rarely open.  I have no idea in this game.

But I like the strides he's making, he will keep getting better

Nsbers >>> Terry 

Feels that way but need to see the all 22

Just now, RansomthePasserby said:

24 looks like he was partying late last night

He supposely was having a bad camp too. Scary 

21 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

I actually feel its harder for me to get over there Gonzo/Banks gaff more than the Darrisaw one. And that's really saying something. I just knew I was going to hear Gonzo's name when they read the pick 

 

I am worried about the Giants defense silencing Terry and attacking Jayden hard from everywhere

Yeah Banks was on my guys list before that draft.  And I was pinning for Gonzalez when he started dropping in that draft, I recall saying I'll have a stroke if they didn't take him as our pick approached -- and lol and then I was made fun of on that days draft thread for saying it as the Forbes pick was mostly celebrated at the time.

Now for a guy they took who was on my guys list.  I hope he plays.

Digesting the NY media about this game, they are hyped about Banks versus Terry.  Banks apparently was OK against Jefferson when matched up to him last Sunday.

If only Ron was in position to take dudes like Banks, Gonzalez, Porter in that draft.    Or Hamilton in a previous draft.  I imagine our secondary wouldn't be pathetic.

This is a tough game for me to pick.  I see it going either way.  Giants with the bettter roster.  Us with the better QB.  I'll go Giants 23 Commanders 20.

2 hours ago, El Mexican said:

 

It's not like our players aren't pros. They know TB is hella hot this time of the year.

 

If what you say is valid then our entire organization has some serious intelligence deficit from the owner to the conditioning trainer.

 

 

Look like many here I've been in all types of weather.  I don't get the argument that as long as you are intellectually prepared for it -- you are ready. It's about what you are used to.

It's not like the Dolphins aren't aware when they are traveling up north during the winter it will be cold.  Or teams from up north aren't aware that going to Miami or Tampa in September will be hot and humid as hell. But yeah there is a reason why the Dolphins tend to suck in the cold and conversely do great when its uber hot. 

This team can read weather reports.  I agree.  That's not my point.  Heck I live in Florida.  As an example I run just about every morning in the heat-humidity.  I am used to it and yes that matters.  A friend of mine from college who like me likes to run-jog can't handle running in this weather when he comes to visit me.

11 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

They should be confident. Its ingrained in their franchise culture to beat us. They feel like its a birthright. They beat us with freaking Tommy Devito. Literally the equivalent of pulling a fan from Long Island or wherever and having him play QB and they still won. Probably one of the lowest points in franchise history to be honest.

 

I'm so sick of losing to this absolute bottom tier dog doo doo franchise.

Yeah its been like this for a long time, sadly not just the Rivera era.

Listening for example to Jordan Raanan who I believe covers the Giants for ESPN, he comes on one front that the Giants are a joke but also that this game should be a cakewalk for the Giants.  Giants D line will be too much for the Commanders O line.  And no one can stop Nabers from the Commanders secondary.

Giants seem to feel this is their get right game.  Heck judging about how the betting lines are changing -- smart Vegas betters also believe this is the Giants game to lose.

Not just this, but every NY media type talking about this game so far as said they expect the Giants to win.