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14 hours ago, XxSpearheadxX said:

And the whole lining up opposite of Chase thing as well. Either way sweat stepped up

Lol you guys literally just proved my point. Sweat was a top 10 pick til some medical stuff popped up and he’s proven why. Of course he plays on a great defense. He’s also the 2nd best player on that defense next to chase young. 9 sacks, a pick he took back for 6, 2 FF and 6 passes defended is pretty damn good. I’m excited for our future. 

29 minutes ago, London Kev said:

Not bad at all, especially considering that the Haskins pick must've been a big negative.

Curl almost makes up for it tho. A redo of last years draft had him in the first round. Haskins was horrid. But I feel like the emergence of chase young almost keeps many of our fan base from realizing just how damn good sweat is. 
 

I wasn’t sold on him as a rookie but that kid took a monstrous step in year two and I expect him to continue to rise. He was a HUGE value to trade back up for. This team has really drafted well the past several years and that’s reflected here. 
 

Hell, here’s to praying Cosmi breaks our 2nd round curse and I believe he will. Clearly, Rivera and the staff believes in him and so do I. I was ecstatic we got him there. 

It blows my mind that everyone makes a big deal about Collins not playing linebacker. He does. He’s not going to say that’s his position. Safeties make more money, right? So he’s just protecting himself from getting labeled and paid as one. I don’t think he gives a damn about what he asked to do inside of a football scheme. 
 

No different then TE’s saying they lined up more at receiver when they get franchised. Collins has always been a hard worker and a team guy. He’ll do whatever gets him in a position to get paid as long as he gets paid as a safety. 

1 minute ago, terpfan said:

Releasing Moses would be absolutely ruthless. Don’t see that happening. Personally, I don’t think this guy is an upgrade over him. 

I mean I’m hoping this would be an instant release of Christian and if anything we’d roll into the season with Leno at LT and Moses at RT with cosmi and Lucas as swings. 
 

Then roullier scherff Schweitzer flowers and Charles on the interior. There is your 9. Ismael would be 10 as a backup C. 
 

If you only keep 3 tackles I would submit Lucas is probably the one to drop even though he was solid last year. 

46 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said:

Would be an upgrade to Moses imo and also provide better left tackle depth. 

 

Moses being released saves over $7m with only $1.9m in dead cap this year (none next year). 

 

 

I don’t disagree with the better player or anything argument. But this team has legit chemistry as a team and along the line. Hell flowers came back here for the Oline room. I don’t like the idea of jettisoning a team leader like that who has fought through injuries and is genuinely a solid player and highly thought of in the locker room. I’m all for bringing him in but would rather still keep Moses drop Christian and pay the extra money for legit depth all along the line. 

14 minutes ago, HoggLife said:

I wouldn't want to pay Williams what he's getting paid. 

No but the point is valid that we could have gotten way more in return for him than we did but they screwed that up. 
 

Or if it didn’t happen in the first place and he was still here we could have let him walk for a high comp pick or it’s basically a 3 year deal for $20M a year which isn’t terrible for how good he is. 

2 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

PFF projections on some guys we are talking about in here:

 

FS Malik Hooker - 1 year, $2m

TE Gerald Everett - 3 years, $15m

WR Curtis Samuel - 3 years, $25m

Would jump all over these 3 for those contracts in a heartbeat. 

5 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

Beer Man too good

Right? I’d rather have a QB that’ll slam some beers with me at the tailgate then go punk Tom Brady. 

5 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

We have the 3rd best odds at Russell Wilson (however they actually determine this, who the hell knows). Our package just doesn't compare. Dolphins can send #3, Raiders can send a starter back, Cowboys can also send a starter back to Seattle. 

The question is, “Would you be willing to ship them Heinicke straight up for Wilson?” 
 

I’m not sure that would be very palatable. 

1 hour ago, DefinitelyMaybe said:

Whether you like it or you don’t of the cheap category QB’s that are going to be available Cam is probably the best of the bunch

 

I used to be a hard no but he has a point regards prep last season with Corona Virus, had the 30th ranked WR core too!

 

Did he light it up through the air? Absolutely not but he did on the ground, if you have Cam, McClaurin, A Rob, Gibson, Logan, a new TE and Power Back I’m completely convinced he’d perform far better next season

Oh and this isn’t an advocation for him to be “The Guy” but for one or two seasons on a cap friendly deal it’s foolish to not at least consider it

 

Not sure what your list of cheap QBs are that are out there. But I include Fitzpatrick on that list and at this point in their careers I’m taking him over Newton all day. Hell I may even take Trubisky over him right now given age and injury history. 

On 1/28/2021 at 3:14 PM, KDawg said:

I wouldn’t trade for a single QB out there. None, aside from Watson, really make us significantly better. We do need to have a competent third guy tho because Heinecki and Allen both seem a little fragile. You can hate it, but Trubisky and Fitzpatrick are both athletic guys that could be had on bargain deals without giving up any draft picks and could reasonable at least keep the team competitive in a backup role if called upon. 
 

Plus both are similar athletically or mobility wise to our guys in this offense so that’s beneficial to the oline if we had to sub a guy in. 
 

I guess I’d be ok for like a 6th rounder to Jax for Minshew for that same reason and he’s still be on a rookie deal. 

Not sure why it quoted you kdawg but won’t let me delete the quote box. 

19 minutes ago, KDawg said:

But you can’t know that. Ten years from now if it doesn’t work out do you think you’ll be saying, “Hey, we trashed our roster making that move but it was totally worth the 2 playoff appearances!”

 

I don’t know one way or the other. I think there is more risk with trading for him than not. Upside may be worth it. 
 

Who knows.

 

Like I said, I love the player.

It’s a tough one for me too. As I’ve said before, Watson is the ONE guy out there that I would be willing to be aggressive for in terms of guys available via trade. 
 

I can hardly imagine giving up 3 firsts for a player and I’m not saying I would or wouldn’t but I would at least consider it. 
 

I hate the idea of giving up one of our coveted young dlinemen, however, devils advocate says if we unloaded one then obviously that saves us some cap room in the future. Ie if we sent Allen away (again not advocating) then you have ion coming back and settle that will cost less to keep around although it gives less depth. 
 

Again, a part of me will probably sigh in relief if someone else takes him because I’m wary of it all and probably would prefer to stay the course but as you said, he’s a special player. 

Man I forgot about Everett. I would love to have him here. But he may want to go somewhere he’s the true #1

12 hours ago, KDawg said:

My current wish list that could change:

 

Malik Hooker, S

Lavante David, LB (high cost player)

If we can’t get David: Jayon Brown, LB

Corey Davis, WR

Alex Erickson, WR

Mike Hilton, CB

 

I check out how much Ertz is going to want. If it’s reasonable add him. I don’t care if he can’t block. He’s TE2. Just catch passes and run with the ball. 

 

Draft:

 

BPA with weight that hopefully nets a LT, WR, Bellcow back, QB, LB, FS

Per usual I agree on the free agent side. Would be great if we can even just uncover even ONE guy like McKissic or Thomas this year that simply fits our system and thrives in it when given a chance. 
 

Still makes me sad we couldn’t pry Njoku away from Cleveland last year for a reasonable or even steal of a deal. He’d be great to pair with Thomas but that ship sailed. 

20 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Pass on Minshew. He's a worse Rex Grossman.

I’m not sure where you would draw that comparison. Minshew is mobile. In 23 games 37 TDs to 11 ints. He has 1 rushing TD and 4 fumbles, not sure how many lost but still nearly 3:1 td to turnover ratio. 5500 passing yards and 500 on the ground. How does that even remotely compare to Grossman?

Not a fan of his completion percentage around 63% but he is on the worst team in the league. 

26 minutes ago, Thinking Skins said:

Interesting. I've been hearing this particulaly from Sheehan and Galdi before the Heinicke stardom. I have to sit and question what we're willing to give up. Are we looking at another Brunell/McNabb/Smith trade? It wouldn't surprise me because we've done it 3 times before and we can say that 2 of those 3 times led us to the playoffs (very low bar). But we traded 3rd rounders for those QBs (plus some extra including Fuller for Smith). Is that enough to get one of the top guys, or is there somebody else we'd be considering. 

 

On that next point, I wonder what Ron and the FO thinks about the second tier of QBs available this offseason. There may be Dak/Deshawn/Matt R/Matt S, and we know about the guys in the draft, but what about guys like Brissett, Tribusky, Mullins, Dobbs, Beathard, etc. Those guys can be gotten for next to nothing. Heck, there may even be another guy who's a backup that say Turner scouted that we're interested in trading for like we did with Allen (Brett Rypien, Mason Rudolph, Mariota, Driskel, Stidham, Minshew, etc) or even Darnold who has been mentioned here before. 

 

I think this is an important question because while Ron has glowingly praised Allen (saying we could have won the division with him) he hasn't said that same thing for Heinicke and he cut Heinicke in favor of Allen in Carolina and traded for Allen when he could have signed Heinicke for nothing. All this leads me to believe that this is Allen's job to lose right now, but the same questions we have about Heinicke's durablility are there for Allen as well. 

I would be most interested in Minshew. Durable and can make off schedule plays. Infectious personality and could probably be had for a much later pick than any of these other guys especially since they’ll have Lawrence. I would be ok with this and a lot higher on it then just about all the others mentioned given their cost and poor track records. Anyone talking about pedigree of former early picks that haven’t lived up to it just confused me right now. No thanks. 

4 minutes ago, Burgold said:

I think Rivera is resistant to that. Obviously, last year that move would have been signing Cam. Rivera showed no interest in bringing his old starter. 

I hope so too but that was under his premise of thinking the team needed a year or two so he wanted to see what the young guys could do. He clearly made the switch this year because he felt they were much closer than he anticipated (sure at first it was a division thing but I think we can all see the defense is contender worthy). 
 

I’m hopeful but much less confident we will follow that same path this offseason but obviously hope we do. 

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Colts have a little more talent than we do. We'd probably be 9-7 with Rivers, not 11-5.

 

But we can do better then that. Rivers is washed.

Would rather have rivers on a modest contract through free agency than trading picks for someone...and then also paying big money for them. 

Dude Darnold is absolute trash. Basically the only QB that’s been worse than him the past few years was Haskins. HARD pass. I’d toss them a 6th at best and obviously they wouldn’t bite aka the hard pass. It blows my mind we just got burned by Haskins and people would even consider another huge first round bust, one that is definitely a bigger bust than Haskins given he was considered a much better prospect and drafted much higher. 
 

If Smith retires I’m all for signing a vet FA but I do NOT want to trade away Draft capital (see draft results this year and impact of having a high percentage of rookie contracts for your cap) for someone AND pay salary in a lower cap year. 

7 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I really think we can beat them.  The Giants kicked the piss out of them for basically four quarters. Brady was rattled. 
 

I am concerned with Gronk vs. our LBs. I know he hasn’t set the world on fire but he could against our guys. Jones/Fournette are going to be the other major key. Stop them and do something... anything... offensively... 

Still can’t believe we couldn’t hit McLaurin on even a single slant with a chance to make a move and leave. Everything he got was underneath and coming back to the ball. If smith can only throw 8 yards then you HAVE to be getting McLaurin and even Cam Sims on some shorter routes like crossers and slants that they can make a guy miss or outrun them and make a big play. 

18 hours ago, CapsSkins said:

 

Not one person has made this argument but okay.

 

The point about Cousins was that he wasn't worth $30M/yr back in 2018 when he signed w/ MIN. No **** on this team he would be more than good enough to win a SB w/ this defense.

Was just making a joke about the mood swings of so many fans on our players, especially QBs. I liked what I saw from Heinicke but just a little hyperbole making fun of ourselves because up until a few weeks ago plenty of people didn’t even think much of chase young. 
 

I will be very interested in our QB play tomorrow night no matter who is in. 

Kirk Cousins: he picks up meaningless garbage stats at the end of games and isn’t any good. 
 

Taylor Heinicke: he could be our franchise qb. 
 

LOL

No to Stafford. KDawg is on the right track - this would be almost the worst thing we could do. Navigating the cap, especially when you have such a great young nucleus of players as we do that we'll want to keep most of, requires that you do not overextend with that "one piece  away" mindset. It's hilarious to  me because this is exactly what we've all hated about our offseasons for so long and now we are finally building the right way and people immediately think a guy that's never won a playoff game is going to put us over the edge and want to mortgage draft capital and cap (which equates to sacrificing an Allen or a Payne etc down the road). Stafford is a better QB than Smith, sure. But what we would give up to get him would cost us far more than what he would bring us, and again i'll emphasize he's never won a playoff game or hardly even gotten his team there. 

Sure, the Lions are a bottom dweller, however, franchise QB's are supposed to elevate their team out of that. 

Holding on to our draft picks to acquire the LB/WR/OL talent we need going forward and using our salary cap to keep the young talent locked up here going forward and add some more key contributors (McKissic/Thomas/Darby/Fuller types) is our meal ticket to then being able to pay Payne/Allen/McLaurin/Sweat etc down the line, all of which will be bills coming due in successive years, every year. The key is to find our guy in the draft before Smith hangs it up or if the Allen project fails you're ready to plug him in. But some bloated contract is how we reverse course and end up seeing guys walk down the road. And that doesn't even include trading away picks that  we need to keep. 

I’ll take the 3 guys on our roster right now over any other combination anyone is throwing out there. Haskins has shown no worse and imo better than anything darnold or Rosen have done and that’s more an indictment on them than anything. 
 

I don’t know much about Stafford the leader/man but I know that is as much as anything right now with our culture and going out to grab a guy like that goes against everything Rivera has done this year in the offseason and season. He wants to build his in house team. He brought in Kyle Allen but I don’t see him mortgaging for stafford when he believes in Allen. 
 

IF smith retires then I’d predict we get someone earlier than later in the draft and it’s him Allen and haskins for more in house competition which is what he’s done from day one to build this culture of earning it. 

On 3/2/2020 at 9:03 PM, bakedtater1 said:

#terrymthegem

 

I believe that clip shows that who ever mentioned something about the receivers belling out haskins has a point.

There is no question that Harmon and McLaurin did that for Haskins on occasion last year. But I disagree regarding that packers game TD. If Haskins puts that ball right on Terry’s numbers it’s an easy for the safety coming across the middle. The ball was put in the only place a defender couldn’t make a play on it. Terry had to make a catch of the year type play but it was a perfect throw. Or Haskins just got lucky and made an inaccurate throw that fortunately ended up in the perfect spot. 
 

The overall point remains though that they bailed him out on occasion but that’s what good receivers should do. Scary Terry is our best offensive player and he and Dwayne will only get better, individually and together. If Sims progresses it’s really going to open things up for a playmaker we can get the ball in space like Gibson or Sims as well. If AGG can just be decent he’s going to see a lot of one on ones against the defense’s second corner and hopefully weapons like Gibson, Sims, McKissic and a healthy Guice can feast on a spread out defense underneath allowing them to get a head full of steam and rip off chunk plays. 

4 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

I like AGG and I’m very positive about him. But this just makes me think drew rosenhaus talking up Leonard hankerson and I want to 🤮

2 minutes ago, tibbidoe said:

 

I know we can't fill 5 positions with one pick. We could get by with the RBs we already had and at least take a shot at finding a starter. Even just a couple of picks later: Ashtyn Davis (FS) and Damien Lewis (G). You don't think either of those guys would have a chance to start over Troy Apke or Wes Martin?

Wait, Apke is our starting FS? 😂