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24 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

7 hours till the draft and the site is already crashing. Part timers need to go home. 

The Commanders are going to **** their pants when they realize this site exists.

6 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

I don't think they're all bad, Chicago isn't bad, Washington is poor but not horrible, the Patriots are poor to horrible, the Giants are poor to horrible, the Raiders are poor to horrible, a vikes trade up would be great. It depends. The Chargers are picking 5th, they definitely aren't horrible, though they had a horrible year.

 All bad!

Trading this pick would be such a (mod edit)  move.

And we already know how that kind of story ends thanks to Scot McLoughlan.

3 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

While I'm inclined to think you're right Warheads, I could see Maye being ruined by that landing spot (and the Giants for that matter). With the Pats, its an average to below average line, no pass catching weapons worth a damn, and jag rb's beyond our recently ejected Gibson whose the only guy with athleticism whose ever done anything at all in the league (Tyquan has been injured and unproductive). That is a terrible landing spot and on top of that, supposedly there may not be an empowered GM anymore. That's a horror show.

 

Hey,....just checking in....I think you're doing great.

Just wanted to make a quick point.

It's the top five of the NFL Draft.

Wherever he goes, it's a terrible landing spot.

They are all terrible landing spots.

They are always terrible landing spots.

Washington is a terrible landing spot.

Okay. Thanks for hearing me out.

2 hours ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

You forgot about where PFT and Florio go on some wild, made-up-story about how dysfunctional we are, still.

The competition for New Art is going to be wild.

22 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

The convo probably went something like:

 

Magic: "Hey, Bellicheck is available. Should we consider him?"

 

Harris: "No."

 

Magic: "Okay."

 

The media likes to overhype Magic's involvement. He owns a pretty small share. He's good at giving us some credibility and winning charm but he has no say whatsoever in any personnel decisions.

Yes. We are all aware of this. Thank you for your attempt at educating us and even using an unnecessary illustration.

Magic is a cartoon character and that's fun.

Magic Johnson wanting to hire Belichick is so Magic that it sets a new standard for Magic.

Magic's first choice was Chuck Noll but was informed that he was dead.

Awww,, man.....when we get Belichick we should get Joe Montana as quarterback (high fives Arsenio). Then we'd have Billl...and Joe....and Barry Sanders....whooo weee....showtime!"

By the way, I totally predicted this Daniels thing weeks ago, because I know how the world works.

I don't know what QB is good or bad, but I know how stuff happens.

Maye is boring. If you squint really hard and rub some Holy Water on your butt, you can imagine him as Josh Allen. But you don't really believe that. What you really think that Cousins is his best case scenario. And that makes you die inside even though that's a pretty good outcome.

Daniels though. Daniels can reinvent football. (Maybe). He can be Mahomes if Mahomes was also a sprinter. (Possibly). He can be that one RGIII run all the time in every game on all timelines (Unlikely).

I still kinda want Bo Nix because of his name.

2 hours ago, Going Commando said:

 

I don't buy this at all.  And the example you gave about Gruden sending them the playbook in advance to see how much they'd learn from it is a test of work ethic much more so than processing.  The aspect of information processing that is most relevant to QB success is what happens on the field.  Being able to read coverages and pressures and make decisions. You can see how a quarterback does this. You can tell when he's not reading pressure well. You can tell when he's getting lost on the coverages. You can tell when he's seeing things too narrow and too slow. You can tell when he's late. You can tell when he's not anticipating his windows. I didn't think these issues were even hard to pick up on. I am an idiot layman and I can see them in Jayden. I could see them with Fields and Howell too and mentioned the vision and processing being issues with them over and over again during their draft threads. I don't understand how supposed experts keep missing this, it is there in the film, and it is so important that it's what everyone should be looking for. Reading and instincts/anticipation are basically one half of the equation (the other being able to manage adversity and create) that separates the great players from the regular ones at all positions, but especially at QB where they make reads every play. But instead apparently all of these pros are stuck looking at a player's ****ing feet and never get past that.  Nevermind that Allen and Mahomes back foot 40% of their passes and dirt a bunch of throws every game in the middle of genius playmaking that constitutes the most valuable individual play in the league every season.

I kinda want us to draft Daniels just to watch your processing speed in real time.

1 hour ago, MartinC said:

We need to be patient - period. We have been waiting for ‘the guy’ for about 30 years. Arguably since Sam Baugh retired.

I don't need to do nothing.

Just now, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

I only really use the Rich Hill chart (aka the Bill Belichek chart) nowadays. I used Rich Hill for this example.

Well, if there is one man who knew the value of draft picks....it's the guy who pretty much stopped using them.

4 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

#2 = 717 points

#3 = 514 points

 

So the difference on paper is 203 points, equivalent to pick #29. Do we take a discount knowing we'll still get our guy? Do we ask for more given how important the #2 pick is to get Pats getting "their guy?" We aren't going to #3 without knowing we are getting our or one of our guys (if we see them both as equal). So this is assuming we still plan to get our guy regardless (and for this to happen, the Pats gotta think we're open to moving down further with someone else to come get whoever the Pats want).

 

Discount: #3 + #34 (689 to WAS) for #2 (717 to NE)

Overpay: #3 + #34 + '25 1st (810 to WAS) for #2 (717 to NE)

Even: #3 + #34 + #68 (762 to WAS) for #2 + #100 (752 to NE)

 

Even seems most likely to me. We get our guy (Maye, presumably) and round out the first two days with #34, #36, #40, #67, #68, #78

That chart was invented by Jimmy Johnson in 1927. I'm not sure it's really applicable any longer.

Here is my final opinion.

Whatever QB you like, I don't.

24 minutes ago, TheBigJourney said:

Maybe do a look on Wikipedia before typing

I will do no such thing.

Just now, dunfer said:

youre thinking of Butkus

No, I meant Ditka. You can't prove to me he's alive.

5 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

I’d be more inclined to believe JJ McCarthy is a great driver if mom and dad would’ve trusted him with the keys a little more often.

I will say that If Harbaugh talks an NFL team into drafting JJ in the top five, I will take back everything I've ever said about him being a psychotic Jesus-y weirdo.

Just now, Tress Is The Way said:

Mike Ditka is still alive lol

I don't think that's accurate.

I'm trying to think of the teams that "built the roster" and then found the QB.

The first is the 00s Steelers who thought they stunk when they drafted Roethlisberger and then realized "Oh ****....we're good."

I guess the Rams did it when they signed Stafford but that was the rare "one year all in bet" that actually paid off. 

The other were the recent 49ers who seem to have done it three times in the last decade, which suggests they haven't actually done it. It's possible that their roster is so good that anyone could play QB. Me....you....a feral cat.

Also, I wish Mike Ditka were still alive to push JJ McCarthy. He would like the cut of his jib.

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Do you know what the folks on that list all have in common?

 

 

Jimmy the Greek: "I do!! I do!! I do!!"

17 minutes ago, Ghost of said:

By this standard, you shouldn't ask teammates and coaches about a guy's leadership.  Yes, it may get thrown around by talking heads but the notion that there are not qualitative descriptions of abilities (that are also very hard to measure from an objective standpoint) is absurd. Performance under pressure was clear with Brady by the time he finished his career at Michigan. I'm sure you can measure certain things like "4th quarter performance within 2 scores" but you can't necessarily measure how beloved by teammates is, or how much of a leader they're perceived to be. Hell, there are guys who've led teams as pretty mediocre players from a statistical standpoint but they got guys to believe in them. Whereas Jay Cutler did not inspire his team, regardless of whether he had a great arm, or was even pretty OK as a QB. 

 

But it's wildly subjective and just leads to more subjective stuff. I've been listening to a lot of back episodes of The New Heights podcast driving to work. When people talk about Mahomes and leadership, they all say, "He grew up in a locker room." I don't really know what that means aside from literally being in a locker room as a kid. But everyone loves him.

When people talk about Brady, they all tell the same stories that make him sound like a massive weirdo. He introduces himself as Tom to all the rookies every year in the same way. He is a massive asshole during practices. He makes you work after practice unless his kids are around. But everyone loves him.

So from what I can tell, the best leader would be the son of an NBA player who is also a Scientologist.

41 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

When you look at almost all of the really bad hits Jayden took last year--against Missouri, Mississippi St, Ole Miss, and FSU--the problem was he was making a low FB IQ play.  Basically in every case, he tried to cut the ball up field without a hole or without momentum and got destroyed.  He has poor vision/instincts as a runner, and gets so fixated on beating the defender right in front of him, that he gets killed by the next guy he doesn't see at all.

 

I think it's part of a larger problem in Jayden's game in that, after the ball is snapped and ends up in his hands, his view of the field compresses too much.  This is what is meant by the "sees the field through a straw" phrase.  It was the biggest flaw in Sam Howell's game, and the same for Justin Fields too.  It's a significant issue for QB prospects, and I think it's the fundamental reason why Jayden is scared to throw the ball into tight windows or into the middle of the field when he's moved off his outside reads.  He doesn't take risks as a thrower and can't stand to turn it over, so he pulls it and runs instead.  And he's really good at it and it worked well for him in that explosive LSU offense.  The problem is he just doesn't see the field well when he runs.  Maybe he developed this style because he was always faster than everyone before he got to the SEC and was able to get away with stringing together 15 moves in traffic without getting touched, but it doesn't work any more.  And I'm skeptical that he can easily change a fundamental part of his playing style.  I'm skeptical that he can significantly expand his vision of the field once he's at a vastly more intense and difficult level of the sport.

 

Drake Maye OTOH is a baller who sees the field really well.  He has superb instincts and FB IQ.  It's how he's able to create and pull off such crazy stuff during games so much.  He plays football like a super creative lead guard in basketball, but the kid also averaged like 10 RPG in basketball.  He's rugged.  He's basically another Josh Allen in style, with a little less arm talent but a lot better touch and decision making skills.

I don't know if I agree with all of that, mainly because I don't have any opinion on Maye least of all one that compares him to Allen.

I did watch enough Daniels where I think he has some Vick in him, and that makes him both scary to draft and scary not to draft. What I mean is Vick relied on athleticism in college and in the pros but was one of the rare cases where his athletic advantages actually still mattered in the pros. There's only a handlful of guys like that and they are either Hall of Famers (Moss/Deion) or incredibly frustrating talents (Vick/RGIII in year one).

I think maybe Daniels' athleticism is such that he may be able to get away with stuff that Fields can't.

I think Maye will be good. I think Daniels has potential to be unreal. And that's the dilemma as I see it with the pick. What does guy who is 85 percent as good as Josh Allen get me when 100 percent of Josh Allen can't get out of the divisional round?

I don't see a ton of conspiracy theories on Twitter regarding this.

I do see a ton of ****ing racism.

I think I would prefer that instead of new dog whistles like DEI if these people just went back to using the N-word. It's what they want. It would end the "oooooh....what is he really saying" debate. 

6 hours ago, KDawg said:

 

 

"There is zero chance JJ is more pro ready than Maye and Daniels" is an odd way of saying you're bias.

I've been on this board for close to 20 years.

In that time, I've wanted to ask this question a lot.

"Is "bias" what you people think "biased" is?"

5 hours ago, Jumbo said:

Deion is saying Williams is going to "pull an Eli." I'm not taking that (Or Deion) seriously, but it's kinda fun to play that "what if." 

 

Think of Williams refusing Chicago and insisting on Washington. 😁😛🤡 

Aside from everything, I'm not entirely sure what's so terrible about going to Chicago. It's a team with at worst an average roster.

None of the teams at the top of the draft are exactly screaming stability. We have a new coach and a new owner and a bad stadium. NE has a new coach and an 82 year old owner who just turfed the greatest coach ever (maybe). 

Arizona is Arizona. So...where does he want to go instead? 

3 hours ago, BMagic said:

 

Projection is the hardest part. A different sport, but I saw Kemba Walker will his UCONN squad to a National Championship after leading them through the Big East Tournament. I never thought he'd end up having a better pro career than Kyrie Irving, who only played 11 games at Duke. Same position, relatively the same size players. It's levels to it and Kemba has had a solid career nonetheless. Kyrie has had ups and downs, but is a Hall of Famer with one of the most iconic shots in NBA history.

 

In football, it's even tougher to evaluate QBs because guys play in different schemes and the talent level of teammates and between teams is so widespread across the board. Mahomes was absolutely lighting it up at Texas Tech and had footwork issues coming into the league. Reid/Ryan Poles saw something there, as did Kingsbury. If Kingsbury sees similar traits in one of these top guys, I'll trust his judgement even though the final call comes down to Peters.

This was utterly incomprehensible.

Try again.

16 minutes ago, EmirOfShmo said:

Only if you don't have hazardous materials. There are height limitations of 13'5" (I think). Ft. McHenry height is bit higher

The bridge was originally built to relieve pressure on Harbor Tunnel.

I was talking to a friend today and saying that 695 basically doesn't exist now. If you live in Dundalk or Edgemere, your commute to anywhere has become an endless nightmare.

This was far less of a human disaster than it could have been thanks to some pretty amazing police work. But the logistical nightmare is going to take years to resolve. It's basically a two mile interstate span over an ocean.

27 minutes ago, rockluc said:

He was 7 out of 8 to start the game and then was hurt but stayed in the game as basically a decoy.  They didn’t stop throwing due to ineffectiveness.  Rumor was he really wasn’t healthy after that until the playoff. 

I don't see how that helps his case. His team could dominate a top ten team with a decoy at QB.

On another note, it is absolutely no fun at all to stay at #2 and draft whoever the top QB on your board is.

It is also a decision you can't run and hide from. Whoever you pick has to be a star or it's a total failure.

Trading down? Zipping? Zagging? Acquiring capital?

Mmmmmm....that's the good stuff.

No one gives a **** who you pick if at that point. You're making moves!