3 minutes ago, EmirOfShmo said:

Wow! That was some powerful testimony from Bowers. 

Came here to say the same thing...

6 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

So, sports aren't important to a "regular kid" but they are important enough to a trans kid to keep them from killing themself.

I guess I have to spell it out.

It's not that sports are important to trans kids. It's that inclusion in society is important to trans kids. Excluding trans kids from every day parts of just living life has a huge effect. And sorry, but the realities are that sports are not some isolated area of exclusion...it's part of the entire fabric of how and in what ways society is wanting to acknowledge the trans community. It all goes hand in hand with each other. It's like the argument against a "separate but equal" society...not the Constitutional argument but the basic argument that you can still have equality in society and also have full segregation. No. You can't.

5 minutes ago, tshile said:

I’m not missing it. I’ve reference the suicide rates many of times in talking about how we treat them (as well as gay people cause it’s a problem for them as well)

 

Here let me help you: when someone makes multiple points in an argument, it’s ok to disagree with some, and agree with others. It’s not an all or nothing situation. 

When it comes to interpreting her point, you absolutely missed it. By a mile. You're doing exactly what she specifically says we should NOT be doing when it comes to this topic.

4 minutes ago, tshile said:

Right. Her point is the concerns don’t matter because it isn’t rampant (which is just dumb), and that there’s only one way to solve this (which is wrong)

 

Again - the part that we should care about people is true. The rest of it is garbage. 

Holy ****...wow.

She thinks sports concerns don't matter because trans kids are killing themselves...not because there aren't enough trans kids taking spots from other kids on sports teams. That's why she says "think what are we actually talking about here. We’re talking about people’s lives." How in the world are you completely missing that point?

5 minutes ago, tshile said:

Yes. It does matter. What a stupid thing to say. The conversation extends beyond this forum and beyond her statement. Get a grip 😂 

I said you were wrong about Rapinoe's point...what the **** does anyone else's point have to do with that? Stay focused.

And here, to help you better understand Rapinoe's point:

"And I think people also need to understand that sports is not the most important thing in life, right? Life is the most important thing in life. And so much of this trans inclusion argument has been put through the extremely tiny lens of elite sports. Like that is not the way that we need to be framing this question. We’re talking about kids. We’re talking about people’s lives.

I would also encourage everyone out there who is afraid someone’s going to have an unfair advantage over their kid to really take a step back and think what are we actually talking about here. We’re talking about people’s lives. I’m sorry, your kid’s high school volleyball team just isn’t that important. It’s not more important than any one kid’s life."

- Megan Rapinoe, from the same article that tweet was taken from.

5 minutes ago, tshile said:

It’s the first sentence. 
 

and it’s mentioned over and over in this thread. It’s mentioned by two different posters on this thread alone. And it’s constantly brought up. 
 

sorry, but the rarity of it is a staple of the argument of the people saying they should be able to play on womens teams. And it’s an awful argument. 

- You must not have read past my first sentence. This came afterwards: "She doesn't start off with her point..."

- As far as I can tell, Rapinoe isn't posting on this thread. So it doesn't matter if it's mentioned over and over on this thread. We are talking about the point of someone who isn't posting here.

53 minutes ago, tshile said:

Um. No. Not even close. 
 

Her opening statement is a demand to “show me where trans people are taking everyone’s <list of concerns people have>”

 

so, quite clearly it is her point. 
 

you’re pretending the only way to be inclusive and not marginalize people and not cause harm is to let them play in woman’s sports. 
 

that’s something you, and others, have completely made up and isn’t true at all. That’s not the only way. 
 

they can play in mens sports, and be included, and not be marginalized. It’s not what you want - which is fine.   But it doesn’t make your answer the only answer, and painting it as such doesn’t make it so. 

Also - the whole “it’s not rampant” is pretty much most peoples point. 
 

see: the many references to how rare of a situation it is

 

”this potential concern doesn’t matter cause it doesn’t happen that much” is a terrible way to analyze things. 
 

The question is if the concern is warranted to do something different 

 

trans are <1% of the population. I imagine trans athletes even more so. By definition it’s rare. You can’t demand something change for such a significantly small number of people, and handwave away concerns because it won’t happen that often. That’s terrible and inconsistent reasoning. 

Not even remotely do I think you're accurate.

She doesn't start off with her point...She starts off building her case by talking about things that back up her point. Which is:

"We really need to kind of take a step back and get a grip on what we're really talking about here because people's lives are at risk."

And then for the people in the back, she adds at the end:

"We're putting everything through God forbid a trans person be successful in sports."

Meaning, we're focusing on the wrong thing. We need to focus on what's truly important here--and success in sports is NOT it. That was her point.

10 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Interesting comments this week. Just say Pence is no hero. 
 

Pence could’ve said something in December after the EC vote. True, if he did ; Trump would’ve replaced him. Pence could’ve said something on 1/5.

 

 

Pence was looking into whether he could do what Trump wanted. Lawyers told him he couldn’t and he would cause legal problems for himself if he tried.

 

So, Pence was looking for ways to do Trump’s bidding.  If he was convinced he could, he would’ve done it.

 

So, calling him a hero for ultimately doing his job; when he ultimately was searching for ways not to do his job is wrong.

If this were true Pence wouldn't have been so adamant about staying at the Capitol building and making sure Biden was certified. The riot would have provided perfect cover.

2 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

Big burly men

I nominated this tweet for the Didn't Happen of the Year award lol...

22 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

And 60% of those polled felt the Jan 6 hearings have been fair and impartial.

3 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said:

Mojo’s self-ownage is a pretty good time to remind everyone that the entire objective of the QAnon movement, and by extension the shambling corpse of the GQP, is to accuse political opponents of pedophilia/grooming as a pretense to rounding them up and murdering them.

 

Thats it.  That’s the whole deal.  

For them--and this has been underscored by Trump's time in office--the accusation is all that matters. They get off on the accusations and then try and shoehorn "facts" into their narrative to present it as proof and evidence. So because of that, we end up with pedophilia and human sacrifices in pizza parlor basements, hundreds of thousands of republican mail-in ballots found in trash cans, a plane full of Antifa dressed in all-black headed for BLM protests, and teachers around the country actively grooming 2nd graders by bringing in drag queens and teaching them about gay oral sex.

Then it gets disseminated via wacked-out message board sites...which then gets tweeted, re-tweeted and facebooked...which then gets a bunch of shallow thinkers all excited because the accusation is all that matters to them and seeing those accusations on Twitter and Facebook somehow gives the accusations validity...which then gets GOP politicians giddy because they can use these accusations and the excitement caused in those shallow thinkers to their advantage, whether it be grifting them for money or taking out their political rivals for the purpose of gaining power.

And it's obvious. Well, to most of us.

"Kill all gay people? Really?  Can you cite that?because that is complete bull****. "

(is given citations of public figures advocting killing gays)

"...at the other end of the spectrum you’ve got the “I’m a 400lb man who  identifies as a lesbian and enjoys banging farm animals, celebrate me!” crowd."

(asked for citation of anyone saying they want to be celebrated for having sex with farm animals)

7 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

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That was fantastic lol...

8 hours ago, mojo said:

Kill all gay people? Really?  Can you cite that?because that is complete bull****.

Meanwhile you have the Speaker of the House performing in a drag show.  You tell me who is using their position of power to push agendas.

 

Can you show me where anyone said they love having sex with farm animals and want to be celbrated because of it?...I'll wait. And, no, having a drag queen story time is not the same as "I have sex with farm animals, celebrate me!"

However:

GOP lawmaker Mike Hill slammed for joking about killing gays

Republican state Rep. Mike Hill of Pensacola joked and laughed about a constituent’s comment that gay people should be put to death, according to the Pensacola News Journal, drawing harsh backlash against Hill from across the state on Friday.

According to a News Journal transcript of the audio recording, which the paper said was released by Women for Responsible Legislation, someone at the May 23 meeting at Pensacola City Hall said to Hill, “In 1 Corinthians, it says that a man who has an affair with another man will be put to death.”

Hill replied, “It says that in the Old Testament, too.” Another attendee then asked, “Can you introduce legislation?”

There is some laughter, and Hill finally replied, “I wonder how that would go over?”

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Candidates won't call out host citing death for gays

Three Republican presidential candidates spoke at a forum in Des Moines this month hosted by a pastor who raved approvingly that the Bible justifies killing gay people — “and I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ.”  But neither Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (since endorsed by Iowa’s Congressman Steve King) nor Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal nor former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee rebutted Kevin Swanson incendiary statements.

On a video of the event aired on The Rachel Maddow Show,  you can hear applause and whistles from the audience. Swanson goes on to say he doesn’t  “advocate for our civil leaders to do this (impose the death penalty on gays) today” because dying itself isn't a big deal, though burning in hell, where gay people are bound, is. He says he would give them time to repent.

Calls and emails seeking a reaction to Swanson's remarks by spokespeople for Cruz and Jindal (who suspended his campaign Tuesday) went unanswered. Huckabee’s spokeswoman Alice Stewart asked for documentation and was sent a video link. She responded the next day saying, "Gov. Huckabee appreciated the opportunity to speak with an audience in Iowa about the importance of standing up for our religious liberties."

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Tea Party Candidate Says It's OK To Stone Gays To Death

Scott Esk, a Republican Tea Party candidate in Oklahoma, got into a debate on Facebook last summer in which he advocated killing homosexuals.

“I think we would be totally in the right to do it,” Esk wrote in comments uncovered by Oklahoma journalist Rob Morris. “That goes against some parts of libertarianism, I realize, and I’m largely libertarian, but ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss.”

When pressed, Esk added: "I never said I would author legislation to put homosexuals to death, but I didn’t have a problem with it."

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Gubernatorial candidate calls for ‘firing squad’ for Trans rights supporters

Former Mississippi State Representative Robert Foster, a Republican who had served from January 5, 2016 until January 7, 2020 representing House District 28 in Northwestern Mississippi approximately 23 miles south of Memphis, Tennessee, tweeted out last week that it was his conviction that transgender people and their allies need to be shot dead by firing squad.

Foster, who campaigned for the governor’s chair in 2019 lists himself on his Twitter bio as a “Man of Faith, and Constitutional Conservative.”