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This team has quit on Rivera. Pretty obvious at this point. 

2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

For all of Scott’s creativity, it’s absolutely mind boggling that he spent all week coming up with this script, with absolutely zero answers for if and when the Eagles pin their ears back and attack the LOS.

 

We hired Norv Turner's son.  What did we expect?????

Just now, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

No, no we didn't.  

 

Everyone, gone.  Allen, Payne, McLaurin (YES I SAID IT), Chase, Wentz.  Anyone with a shred of value, ship them out and send Rivera, JDR and Turner with them.  Martin Mayhew, gone.  Jason Wright, get all the way out.  They can all get the **** right out of town.

 

Get a young coach, oh, I dunno, like we had with McVay and build this **** RIGHT PROPER.  

 

**** this ****ing bull**** ass ****ing joke of a franchise.  I am so sick of this ****.

 

Feel you dude.  Going on year 23 of Snyder's reign of terror, and I can't take it anymore either.  This is a fulcrum point.  This entire franchise, the commodes, need to be disbanded.  Get Snyder out of here.  I would gladly let him take the team somewhere else so we can start fresh.  This is just absurd at this point.

Just now, Warhead36 said:

I mean, I can't even be mad. Hurts is throwing into the perfect spot and their WRs are making tremendous plays.

Really?  I can be mad.  Now I know that without a doubt we have the most incompetent, clueless coaching staff from top to bottom in the entire league.  Just an absolute joke at every single level. 

12 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

To what end? Really? You probably have said this about every single coach we've had. What's the point?

It's true.  This has always started and ended with that tool Snyder.  Until he sells or is forced to sell, it will be what we are watching forever.

Rivera and his entire staff deserve to be fired after this game.  That is all.

This team couldn't seize momentum if it were literally a rock on the ground in front of them.

I'm sorry, but I've had enough of Turner.  The dude just can't cut it.  We have so much talent and every week the offense seems stuck in reverse.  It's completely inexcusable.

This franchise is so incompetent at every level.  On third and 5 our DBs give 10 yards of cushion and dont even attempt to use inside leverage to cut off the most predictable slant of all time...

And then on a catch that isnt even close, Rivera doesnt throw a flag.  Just clowns everywhere.

1 minute ago, NoVaSkins21 said:

Protection getting killed.  Turner needs to adjust

Turner is really frustrating.  Just like his dad, when the plan goes to crap, he seems incapable of adjusting.  This is just like last week.  We have way too much speed on offense to not have a reliable slant or screen to pick up 3rd and 5.

21 hours ago, method man said:

 

You are right. The Armstead/Arrington/Trotter trio was under Spurrier. It was actually Mike Barrow who they signed to pair with Lavar and M. Washington. He got hurt early and Pierce got his shot out of the gate. Marshall was on the time, I believe, but his emergence came later on.

 

Marshall was no world beater but he would be the best linebacker on this team. Heck, Rocky McIntosh would be the best linebacker on this team.

Jamin Davis and Rocky McIntosh are very similar players.  Plenty of athleticism but no ability to anticipate and poor instincts.

26 minutes ago, Jbird7 said:

What we would give for London Fletcher or Marcus Washington or heck Khaleke Hudson right now....

Ken Harvey.  Bring him back today.

56 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Jamin is basically Josh Doctson. He will be out of football after his next stint. We twist ourselves into making excuses. The good players play well from the start then improve. Jamin sucks at NFL football. Seems like a decent kid. He just can’t play at this level. Simple as that. 

Honestly, who knows?  Impossible to tell with this coaching staff and this defensive scheme.  We take talented players and all of them across the board look worse in this system and better once they leave.  We have bottom tier coaching and scheme on the defensive side of the board.  Tough position in which to evaluate a guy who has been asked to step up but probably hasn't been given the coaching or put in a position where his instincts and physical skills can be maximized.

1 hour ago, KDawg said:

I find it amusing that Holcomb continues to skate beyond criticism but our best LB right now is Davis. It's not saying much, but it's true. 

It's painful to watch Holcomb play linebacker.  He does nothing well; he does very few things that are passably mediocre.  He seems to specialize in being washed out by linemen and creating huge cutback lanes.  He is, far and way, the weakest link on that defense.  This has been blazingly obvious for a long time.  We have all seen the same tape.  And yet the one position where we desperately needed to upgrade, we decided to stand pat.  It really makes no sense unless Rivera and JDL just aren't bright enough to understand the weaknesses on this team.  I'm at a loss.  Really am.  Defense is hard enough to play in the league these days.  You absolutely can't do it with a terrible scheme and scrubs at key positions.

Just now, kingdaddy said:

The buffalo nickel defense hasn't been worth a dime...time for a shake-up for this underperforming group. A new voice and set of eyes. 

Agreed.  I love Allen.  He's a real professional.  He's not going to say anything remotely controversial.  But the fact is this: no NFL defender could possibly enjoy playing in Del Rio's passive aggressive scheme.  We NEVER dictate to the offense.  The offense dictates to us.  Always.  Watch our LBs.  All they do is read and react.  They are limited and not starter quality, but my lord, at least have someone, anyone on that D playing downhill.  More fundamentally, there is zero, zero cohesion in that unit.  I've never seen anything like it.  When we blitz, our DBs give receivers 12 yard cushions instead of jamming to give the pass rush some time to get to the QB.  JDL should be called the defensive "uncoordinator" (I'll be here all week folks ;)).  He's just a clueless moron and it shows.  Players know their talents aren't being maximized; they know the system sucks.  

12 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

My prediction is the Eagles absolutely shred this defense on Sunday and Del Rio gets fired after. 

It would be worth a L to get him the %^&# outta here.

2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Ironically we've actually been pretty good thus far on 3rd downs through two games. I think only allowing something like 25%.

 

The problem again is giving up huge chunk plays , primarily due to poor scheme/miscommunication.

There are barely third downs to defend anymore...most of the time the offense only needs first and second down to get 10 yards...The Jags averaged 6.2 yards per play week 1...the Lions averaged 7.0 per play...

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

If its basic and guys are still confused than something is wrong.

It's basic in the sense that it doesnt disguise formations or do anything in the way of pre-snap motion or exotic blitzing.  Hell, we rarely even stunt the tackles.  It's complex in the sense that each level of the defense--line, LB, secondary, operates almost independently of the whole with separate and sometimes overlapping responsibilities.  As a result, the communication needs to happen and if it doesn't people are wide open down the seam, etc.  It's just an awful, awful system combining the worst elements of basic with the worst elements of complex.  

1 minute ago, FLSkinz83 said:

I think it was Logan Paulsen who said that our defense is easy for other teams to figure out and hard for us to execute.    Sounds about right.

Reminds me of Churchill's quote about Hitler: "he has all of the qualities I despise and none of the vices I admire."

2 minutes ago, Thinking Skins said:

The sobering thought I woke up to hours ago and told my dad is that you're never as good as your best win and you're never as bad as your worse loss. Right now this is definitely in our worse loss category but I have always liked Ron teams because they tend to finish strong. 

 

People talk about how flat we came out (me too) and one problem is not knowing what to expect from the head coaches. I'd think that we knew less week 1 but that's not really true since Peterson has a history in this league. Campbell doesn't really, even if he coached last year. Its just one year so it makes it more difficult to plan for. 

 

The other thing is that I think they were guilty of looking ahead. I think Turner and JDR were reserving some looks thinking they could win this one without digging deep trying to keep some looks fresh for Philly. I'm not trying to save grace but this is still just one loss. We'll see how this team adapts next week. 

You're giving these guys way too much credit: I'm positive JDR isn't smart enough to think ahead.  And I'm fairly certain Turner isn't either.  JDR is an unmitigated disaster--he has proven it time and time again season after season.  When will enough be enough on that side of the ball?

6 minutes ago, Rex Tomb said:

Yes, this is what I have been talking about all morning.  The lack of adjustment by the offense in the first half is just as much to blame for the outcome of the game as the defense.  Hard to win when you spot the opponent 22 points because your offense can't stay on the field.  I was calling for it all first half - where are the screens and the three step drops to get the ball out quickly?  Take advantage of the Lions' aggressiveness and force them to pull off the blitzes.  We did that in the second half and the offense got moving again.  As I've said, hopefully Turner takes this as a learning opportunity - his schemes are great, but what the hell were we doing for 30 minutes of football yesterday?  

I'm not a big Scott Turner fan--I think he lacks an ability to really adjust to the realities on the field on Sunday.  The first half was a perfect example.  There needs to be far more flex built into his gameplan and it shouldn't take an entire half for an offense like ours to move the ball.  We should have a fairly quick answer for anything that a defense throws at us with our skill players..

3 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I don't think firing Del Rio right now is the answer either. But the defense needs to be addressed. Either hope to sign some street FAs, make a trade, change something schematically. Because right now they're on pace to be historically bad.

I think firing Del Rio would restore the confidence of the players.  That's not a small thing.  You can see it in the lack of consistent effort out there that guys are in part going through the motions because they don't believe in the scheme and they know they are being set up for failure.  That's a really really bad dynamic for a football team.  And Rivera would be wise to shut it down now before it begins to bleed over to the offensive side of the ball...

2 minutes ago, ColonialWBSkinsFan said:

 

This is just flat-out WRONG!   Going for two when we cut it to 29-21 was ABSOLUTELY the right call.  And if Slye hadn't shanked the next PAT, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.  We would still have been down by 8 with (another) chance to get the TD and 2pter to tie.  Slye butchering the PAT killed what was actually the right decision by Rivera on the previous TD.  

No, no it wasn't.  You have to look at OUR 2-point conversion rate, not the statistical average of 2-point conversion rates for the league.  That's the issue with importing baseball analytics to football: the number of variables in football make the overall statistical analysis misleading.

3 minutes ago, KDawg said:

You're arguing my point. Thank you.

 

I was being overly kind to prove a point.

 

I can't stand McCain, think Sweat is overrated, think Davis is a long term project, think Holcomb is a backup.

 

You're wrong on Curl.

Bottom line: the lack of talent is compounded by an awful, passive, predictable scheme.  What it means in reality is that we have a bottom 3 defense in this league and potentially a top 10 offense.  Any moron could have seen this developing over the past couple of seasons expect apparently, Rivera...

1 minute ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah I mostly agree with Kdawg's analysis except at LB, we are definitely bottom of the barrel. I can't imagine a worse LB tandem out there.

 

WRs I think can be better than top 10.

It's infuriating, isn't it?  What did it for me was reading that our other "starting" LBs, like Jon Bostic, had been cut by other teams. I mean not only are our guys not starter quality, they are arguably not backup quality.  I don't think Holcomb or Davis for that matter would even make a majority of NFL rosters.  That's how bad we are at the position.

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

 

Okay so this further solidifies my point. I think Holcomb is a backup in the league as well, but I also think what we are asking of him is beyond where he should be and that lowers his ability quite a bit. 

 

I've commented on Holcomb being out of position for years now. So not going to get me to argue that. 

We agree completely.  And it just brings me back to the point around roster construction and why we didnt look for upgrades at the LB position.