daveakl

3 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I think that would have been a good move to resign him then. I really hope we can get a deal done with Allen and then Payne, who we just 5th year'd.

Allen seems like the one that will get resigned.  I love having them both but cap math makes it almost impossible.  Good teams ride it out through year 4 or 5 then trade or let walk / get comp picks.  It's the price of drafting well and being decent.  Unusual feeling right?!?!?!

8 hours ago, Die Hard said:

Some team is going to overpay. And they’ll be trying to get out of that contract sooner than later.

 

Its a tough one. But sometimes you just have to let players go. Better a year early than late. 
 

It isn’t an ideal outcome, but WFT still has a bit of leverage.  They just need to be willing to use it. Most of us hope they do.

 

Because just letting this play out just to have him walk away, is almost as bad as how Trent played out. Huge missed opportunity.

That first line is my point.  The only time WFT really had a chance to offer him a contract was after the 2017 season.  That was coming off year 3, x2 Pro Bowles, and had missed 2 games over 3 years.  Once that window was gone, the ship had sailed.  They weren't going to make him the highest paid guard after year 4 (coming off missing half the season) and then the cost of guaranteed money in the deal went up to the year 5 option + x2 franchise tags.  The other part that no-one really talks about is that there is a better then good chance he didn't really want to sign long term here after 2017 and the team didn't want to start at such a high $ after 2018.

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

The injuries are unfortunate, but our line is night and day when he's healthy. Highest paid guard 2 years ago isn't bad now and great next year. Now that option doesn't exist and we may not get anything. 

I believe the only window they had to make him that offer was after 2017.

39 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

And now our only decent first round offensive draft pick will walk into FA and well get nothing.

Whats the contract you offer to a guy that missed 2 games then 8 games in back to back seasons but also had come off 2 probowls? Highest paid guard with some escape clauses in case it turns out he is injury prone? 

34 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

That's fair. Scherff is going to probably walk for nothing since Allen never long termed him when he should have and I'd love to get something at a position of need.

This isn't so much directed at you as it is to the notion that our FO screwed up with Allen.  When was the right time to resign him?  

5 hours ago, China said:

 

I see you can pre-order for July arrival here.

Hoping someone can find it in their store for $99.  I have 1-6

I'm looking for a bottle of Blood Oath Pact 7. If anyone finds one...buy and pm me please!!

Has anyone tweeting about the 15yo girl being shot actually watched the video?

1 hour ago, LadySkinsFan said:

Since it was reported that women got the blood clots, I wonder if they are on birth control pills. Those female hormone birth control products can cause blood clots and maybe combined with the J&J vaccine, it was an increased risk.

Women are always ruining it for men!!

Had my 2nd shot of Moderna on April 1st.  Since then I have not seen a single elephant. 

3 minutes ago, Xameil said:

Mine was a closed Sears in a mall....lol. orange cones, traffic signs directing you to the site, National Guard trucks,  big Vaccination Site sign...the whole 9 yards

We had a guy in a truck drive through our neighborhood.  For $20 you got both shots at once and a snow cone.

Kansas is totally going to come back and win this 

No trades:

Scherff wasn't going to sign a LTD with a depressed cap situation across the league.  Lots of 1 and 2 year deals coming for anyone that doesn't get a top 3 contract at their position

23 hours ago, daveakl said:

I get my shot tomorrow afternoon. Pfizer version.

Got switched to the Moderna version.

Been 6 minutes since the shot and the only side effect so far is smugness. 

I get my shot tomorrow afternoon. Pfizer version.

2 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

Lastly, this means you skip the NFL cheat code which is a franchise QB on a rookie deal that renders your cap, heaven set for 5 years. 

I am not solely advocating for building the team, signing a vet, and calling it a day.

Build the team, sign the vet, draft the rookie. (see KC Chiefs)

But the idea that we should have traded a ton to get assets so that we could go get Watson or Wilson, or that we should trade 4 picks to go get a top 4 QB this year?  Our team isn't ready to make that move.

4 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

LOL. Have a good night. 

You too!

5 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

And I thought it was pretty clear I didn't give a damn about a 7-9 "playoff run". If that was your priority then so be it. Again, my opinion is we chose that over a much better chance at long-term contention

Who is coming to coach this team that you are striping to nothing for the next 3 years?

Are you advocating that the correct move last season would have been to hire a GM and trade everything for a long haul rebuild?

40 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Kerrigan and Darby are the obvious. Given the the demand for those positions as teams gear up for playoff runs, and the way those two were playing, I would guess a decent return was possible for each.

At best you get a 4th for Kerrigan and a 4th or 5th for Darby.  But you are trading away a top 2 cb and your #3 OLB while you are in a playoff run, if you give up the season your players give up on you.  There is no way a GM can do that to a coach in year 1.

42 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

I would definitely have tried to move Landon Collins from the first. Whether I could move a chunk of his guaranteed salary or just a little with draft capitol in return, the team would be much better off with him gone.

You are going to give up picks to have him taken off your books? 

44 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Haskins, of course. I would have seen what the demand was for Scherff, because I don't want to pay his price tag as a FA. Maybe Moses.

Haskins was not going to get much of anything in return going into last season, maybe a 4th that could become a 3 or 2?  If you trade 2/5ths of your O-Line, how on earth are you convincing one of the QB's on the trade market to come here?  Wilson and Watson aren't coming here to play for a team that just went 2-14.

Even worse, your O doesn't develop.  Thomas, Gibson, Terry, none of them have above average years.  Turner looks like crap as a O-cord and the team is pathetic.

48 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Maybe Jon Allen if the price was right.

If you trade away the leader of your D-Line you lose the room.

53 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

McKissic, perhaps. If someone wanted to overpay for Logan Thomas.

You are advocating trading away players who are leading your offense 4 months after signing them? 

38 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Imagine someone with some vision running the organization last year. You could have traded away a number of players, maybe eating some of their salaries for a better return, in other cases maybe just moving the salary to benefit the cap. You accept that this will mean a couple of extra losses and the resultant draft position with it and prepare for the future. 

1) Who are you trading from last years team?  Give me some players and what type of return you are getting for them.

2) Who are you cutting from last years team that gives you salary to benefit the cap?  Examples please.

Just now, Burgundy Yoda said:

Who? I see QBs that will take at least 2 1s. Green Bay is only getting rid of Rodgers once he's broken down, he won't even be worth what they'll ask for by the time he's on the market. Then you have to factor in all their colossal contracts. 

 

Peyton and Tom were both acquired via Free Agency. I'm cool with that route, but none of these guys are hitting the market. 

Rodgers could be a 1 and a 3 (3 escalates), remember they have their heir on the roster (or they trade Love)

Dak may be a straight up FA

Carr could be a 2 and a 2 (2 escalates)

Who knows what Watson and Wilson are going to do / go for.

28 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I'd rather get a rookie QB and have that friendly rookie contract for 5 years. The furthest I would move up is the 7th pick in this draft which would cost us our 2nd and our SF 3rd round pick. That's significantly cheaper than what it would cost to get one of these guys on our team. 

A couple of those guys will be cheaper then giving up a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd.  The trick is to get a guy like Brady or Manning and then ALSO get the rookie to develop behind them.  Nail that and you are set for years to come.  Miss and you are Denver. (Tampa Bay outcome still TBD)

10 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

Next years QB class is straight trash.

Build the rest of the team. Vet QB's are always out there and if you have everything else in place, you are a destination.

Rodgers, Dak, Derek, Watson, Wilson, one of them will be available to be had either via trade or released / FA.

3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Of course he had value

Sorry, I should have asked it better.  What value do you believe he had?  At what point last season could they have received that value and from whom?  

3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Abso****inglutely we'd be better right now if we hadn't made a ragtag 7-9 run and first round ass-whupping and we had a top five pick and a chance at a good QB that wouldn't require trading a bunch of picks to get.

Rivera should have won less to improve the QB room, not won more?  How does a coach go about doing that?  Keep trotting Haskins out there instead of someone else?  Damn the players  in the locker room buying into your system during the first year, we need a high draft pick to get a QB!  Is that the argument for how they mismanaged the QB situation?

3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Haskins had value because of course he did.

Please explain what value you believe Haskins had?

3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

This regime has mismanaged their QBs here from the moment they took over and we're worse now at the position than we were when they were hired.

Explain?  We went into 2020 needing to find out if Haskins could or could not be the franchise QB.  We found out the answer. Oh, and along the way we won the division.  Now, you can try and argue that the mismanagement was doing that, winning enough games to make the playoffs instead of finishing with a top 6 pick to try drafting a franchise QB again.  But saying that they mismanaged their QB's is simply not true.