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43 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Jax cut Zay Jones after drafting Brian Thomas.

 

Interestingly SF wanted a first rounder plus Zay Jones off Jax for Aiyuk. 

they also  cut Slye... apparently we are not the only ones who thought he sucks

If we could get Aiyuk for a 3rd and give him a good contract (25-28mil/ year)  .. i'd go with that! 

Terry is only here for one more year anyway.. team has an out after 24 with only an 11mil cap hit.  So you would have both him and Terry for a year, and then rid ourselves of Terries contract.. and if 24 goes well, it will be a late 3rd round pick. 

23 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

You waste at least half if not more of the rookie deal, and as mentioned, Penix isn't just old, he's exceptionally old, approaching Brandon Weeden/Hayden Hurst level of stupid considering how old he is.

 

I really liked Penix as a value choice when I thought you could get him round 2 or later in round 1, using a top 10 pick on him was asinine, using a top 10 pick when you already gave Cousins the bag, hell multiple bags, is beyond stupid. If it was JJ, it would still be stupid, but at least he's young and with clean medicals throughout his career. Instead you have an old, overage prospect with med flags out the yin yang, who will be 26 before he starts year 3. Its crazy pills.

 

There's a reason the NFL looked at Atlanta and just shook their head in shock, repeatedly like the notorious old raider and jet first round foul ups. People were arguing over the weekend on whether it was literally the worst draft pick ever when all things are considered. It's a good contender but there's worse, for sure. 

That pick was beyond stupid. its hilarious watching some of the mediots try to explain away the reasoning when its obvious they themselves dont even believe it was a good pick. Of course watch Cousins get hurt in the first game ala Rogers and Penix light up the NFL as Atl FO will he hailed as geniuses for their foresight 

On 4/27/2024 at 4:44 PM, CommanderInTheRye said:

Sam "Adonis" Hartman, a rare breed,  bearded, chiseled body, strong jaw, GQ looks, a man that no woman can resist and that every man wants to be, introducing our newest addition to the qb room...

 

 

 

 

 

 

"... a fearless natural gunslinger... with moxie and tight window anticipation...reminds us of Ryan Fitzpatrick."

 

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He is like a better looking Sam Howell .. score!

Lucas is actually decent at LT... he even plays well at times. The issue with him was that when pressed in to a full time role, he cant stay healthy and now at 32 that will be an even bigger issue. Leno was overrated as hell, Lucas might actually be an improvement. I think we have enough pieces (including those drafted last year) and Olineman i expect the team to yet bring in, to put together a half way decent OL. We might be in for a lot trial an error lienup changes early in the season though

4 minutes ago, WEARE1554 said:

2 second or 3rd next year get it down?

Just because Niners want a 1st for Aiyuk does not mean they get anything close to that. Keenan Allen (who is much more accomplished) was traded for a 4th rd pick. I wouldn't give anything more than a 3rd for Aiyuk but dont see it happening since we are already paying Terry 20mil/year and this is a deep WR draft. 

I doubt Wash will find a starting LT In the draft this year. I would bet they do find a veteran after the draft or after cut downs at least for this year and try to develop a guy.

Current FA options are:

Bakhtiari

Duane Brown

Danavon Smith

......Not too inspiring 

I think Pats are in a good spot. They brought it Brisset with the idea that he will most likely start and keep them competitive in 24, so at worst they are looking at a mid round pick in 25(which wont get you a franchise potential QB especially in a weak QB class) Maye gets to sit for a year and learn/ improve his mechanics and then Pats get to reload in 25 with a O heavy draft to set them up for years to come.

4 hours ago, The Evil Genius said:

This team sadly isn't 1 QB away from being good. And I understand that finding a franchise QB is tantamount,  but they also have a chance to do something now that they likely won't be able to do in the near future. Set themselves up to make multiple first round picks for several years. 

 

To me, the only way forward is to trade out of pick 2. 

 

That said, if it's Daniel's at 2. Good for them. If it's Maye. Good for them also. 

 

Thats the kind of thinking that got us to where we are now... is that you Ron?

Havent seen this posted yet, but in the 'no duh' files.. Jamin Davis 5th year option is not getting picked up

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-commanders-wont-pick-up-jamin-daviss-fifth-year-option

I disagree with Keim, its ridiculous to think that this FO was not ~80% sure which QB they are targeting at #2 before a single visit or combine. The rest of the time was used to just confirm that decision and look for any major red flags.. that decision should have been hopefully confirmed as i haven't heard anything bad about Maye.  Most of the info is already out there via game tape and not based on a 30min scripted combine work. 

And none of these pundits know anything... because with a solid and professional FO this info does NOT escape. What FOs do is disseminate misinformation with a the hope of some dumb GMs listening and letting players slip. Which sounds like the campaign against Maye over the last few weeks. 

One thing i do know.. with the moves from this org so far I am just 'cautiously neutral' and after watching idiot Ron fumble through the draft over the last 4 years this FO has to knock it out of the park in this upcoming draft to set this franchise up big for years to come. 

Even if Dal was willing to trade Parsons.. i would bet anything it wouldn't be to Wash inside the division. 

7 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Houston will have a first place schedule. I doubt they repeat the success they had last year. Wouldn’t surprise me, if this miss the playoffs this year.

I think you'll be disappointed... Texans are a legit contender. They got better across the board while already having a great coach, two of the top young WRs in the NFL.. not much of a running game in 23.  

Now have a much improved D and Mixon at RB, Diggs, etc.  Unless Stroud completely falls off in 24 all of a sudden for no reason... they have a real shot to get deep in the playoffs. 

Interesting move by buffalo.  Diggs is definitely a diva and a pain in the ass, but Allen was nearing bust status before they traded for Diggs.  They still need a number 1 wr to replace him. 

Howell is fine as a backup to a vet qb with growth opportunity.  He is not someone you want backing up a fresh rookie qb.  Not sure Mariota is either but we’ll see how it plays out. 

“The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.”
― Garry Kasparov

This one guy said we might trade the pic for Rogers... seems legit 😑

21 minutes ago, KillBill26 said:

Terry might not be living up to his current cap number.  He doesn't take over games, and he can disappear at times.  A 20+ mil WR should have a bigger impact despite the poor QB play.

 

However, I think Terry is perfect for our situation right now.  He is a hard worker, with a positive attitude.  With so many star Wrs being divas and head cases and me me me, he is the exact opposite.   Team first.  Does his job without any ****ing and moaning or drawing negative attention to the team.  Even at our lowest points, which have been pretty low.

 

His cap hit is not prohibitive to us building our team at all.  Over the next couple years, hopefully we are able to add a #1/#2a WR via the draft.  That contract will be modest, and Terry's next deal will hopefully be with us for a little less AAV.  I can see him wanting to stay here to see the rebirth through.  And he will be the perfect #2 wr and mentor to a young WR due to his personality and demeanor.

 

I don't see any team offering us any package that would make it worth sending Terry packing.

 

I'd rather have Terry at his cap number than all 5 wrs you listed for a variety of reasons, most importantly the ones I mentioned above.

I wouldn't say he is perfect for our situation but agree that he is not a detriment to a rookie QB or the team and he is the best we got, it can always be worse .... Issue is that while we have Terry under his current contract we will not sign a true 1A type WR because paying 2 wrs 20+ mil per year WILL be a detriment to our cap. Bears seem to be OK with that though since they are paying Allen and Moore 20+ mil each. Time will tell if this was a worthwhile investment. Unless Skins have a plan to bring in someone better.. i dont see him being traded and nobody is stupid enough to give even one 1st rd pick for him. I would shift my focus on finding that Keenan Allen type WR in the draft though. 

21 hours ago, CapsSkins said:

 

Would be curious to hear which second-contract WRs making less than Terry you'd prefer to have.

In general I would rate terry as 20-25 best WR in the NFL

2nd + contract

Keenan Allen

Davante Adams

Mike Evans

Amari Cooper

Deandre Hopkins

Jacoby Meyers.. maybe

2 hours ago, MrJL said:

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No he is not overvalued by rhe fans.we just have a subset with a warped view that if you're not in the top 10% of the league you're nothing special.

 

TMac is a guy we'd put the franchise tag on if we had to.  So as far as I'm concerned he's worth two firsts

It why so few players are traded

 

The low return means we shouldn't trade him not we should accept less

 You seem clueless. Not only is he overvalued by the fans... but he was overvalued (and overpaid) by the previous FO.... understandably so since no-one else wanted to play for the sh!tshow of the previous regime.

He is currently the 9th highest paid WR in the NFL https://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver

I can find at least 5 Wrs making less that I would take over him in a heartbeat. He is a great lockeroom guy, class act and a great 1B, but we need a 1A to help a rookie QB succeed 

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

I'm not trying to put TMac down at all. He's definitely worth a good 2nd.

Terry . .like most other Skins players, is drastically overvalued by the fans. He is a solid Wr, but not a difference maker by any means. If we could pry Jefferson away from Min and trade Terry.. it would be a huge win for the org and the rookie QB

33 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

What I found most interesting was  Warner's belief that despite the countless hours he's spent analyzing the all 22 film of Maye, and Daniels, they're still so close that he can't choose between them.

 

He needs to first be in a room with each of them independently; so that he can use video and the white board, to interrogate them about their thinking process on individual plays, before he can make a decision.

 

My bigger rhetorical question is:

If someone with Warner's experience, expertise, and knowledge, can't decide which qb he prefers, without first meeting with each of them, how can the talking heads on TV, or for that matter, any of us, make a conclusive determination with any confidence that we're correct?

 

 

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except for... just because you play QB does not mean you can pick a QB.. completely different skills sets. Look at Elways history

3 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

I'm willing to bet the life of my first born son we move back into the 1st round to get a sliding OT. If we get Fanshanu and Maye, that would be a coup.

100% agree... Not only that, but i can see Peters moving back in to the top half of the first round to pick up the best available LT.. similar to what Texans did last year when they picked up Stroud at #2 and Will Anderson a few pics later.

21 minutes ago, “Misdirection” said:

 

ouch...That sounds like an overpay. Good for Chase.. still riding his college tape.

I will be shocked if Peters does not take Maye.. its all but a given this will happen. Personally dont see Daniels even being close. Too many opinions out there with different agendas behind them.. dont over think it, pick the obvious choice.

3 minutes ago, FrFan said:

What Happened To Michael Davis in 2023?

It’s not like Michael Davis fell flat on his face, it’s just he was reminiscent of pre-2022 Davis, the one with the okay stats that’s good to have, but there are better options.

There were bright spots in 2023. His pass rush grade went up a smidge from the previous year to 77.8 which is the highest it’s been his whole career. He had more STOPs (18), and solo tackles (56), and his run defense grade was higher (64.1) than in 2022. But ultimately, his overall defense grade was lower (56.5), and he missed more tackles (10) despite only playing 49 more snaps.

 

Daniel Popper of The Athletic first reported in Week 12 that Davis had been replaced by Deane Leonard because of poor performance.

Where Davis excelled in 2022 in covering these high-powered receivers, he seemed to struggle in 2023. Part of that may be because of the failed J.C. Jackson experiment.

 

Popper said in Week 2 that when Davis did step in for Jackson against the Titans, Davis relayed that “he struggled to find a rhythm amid the rotation.”

So part of Davis’ woes can be attributed to coaching, but the other part you can just chock up to Davis being Davis. He’s been solid at times but gets sucked into the defensive issues of the whole team and is just as complicit in the explosive plays killing their games as everyone else. 

seems like a reclamation project/ depth guy. I fully expect us to draft a CB in the first 3 rounds this year. With the amount of pics we now have in the top 3rds and the available depth Peters should be able to land some gems.